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Unemployed Uni Grads, whose fault
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sinoffire
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 Jul 7 2006, 12:03 AM
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freshies. just bcos they got a paper & they think they can do/know everything?? WRONG!! choosy when finding a job as a freshie? a big NO-NO! well, if u got hired by a MNC company that pays really handsomely whilst u aint got experience in that job, congrats.
'wat u learn in ur beloved uni/college/school might not be exactly applicable in ur future job.' this is wat i was told by a mlm guy more than 8 years ago. and i stil remember it til today. why? becos it's sooooooo true. no? try luk around ppl near u, ask them wat's their major during schooling days & wat's their job now.
if u lack in something, go equip urself with hardwork, research etc etc. dun expect spoon-feeding. come back to reality, welcome back to the REAL WORLD!
time will tell. experiences count.
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Ken
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Jul 7 2006, 09:08 AM
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i thought the main reason is dunno mandarin  |
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havenzhiv
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Jul 7 2006, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE Its never about the course or the subjects in my opinion, it is always the content of the subjects and the essence of it. Subjects taught are not outdated but the materials, contents and methodology is somewhat questionable.
Local universities (public universities especially) is still using the same teaching method over the past 20-30 years which does not encourage self learning and to be outspoken.This however, is the result of the teaching methods during primary and secondary school. So blame them as well.
If you look at developed countries, children are being taught to be independant, outspoken and they are encouraged to learn things by themselves. This contributes to their supremacy over us in many ways.
Contents and material used in local universities, especially in ICT subjects covers only the tip of the iceberg of what is out there. There are only theories (which in some if not mose cases are outdated), no practical or hands on in matters that would make them well if not little prepare for what lies ahead of them.
Certain courses requires a lot of budget if they need make subjects practicalable. Thus, cost comes in play as well. It does affect the quality but not much since there are always a workaround out of it.
Eventhough the method they are using is wrong, it is up to the students to forecast his future, not taking his own initiative to make himself marketable is his own fault. Ok, so he has been taught for 12 years to be spoon fed but being an adult, he could have think what is best for him.
So, the question is why is this happening, it is the outcome / product / result of multiple elements (methodology, cost, student themselves, contents, etc etc etc) catalyzed into one. Dont blame one, blame them all. here, i quote myself again This post has been edited by havenzhiv: Jul 7 2006, 10:21 AM |
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Mavik
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Jul 7 2006, 12:01 PM
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Patience is a virtue
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QUOTE(havenzhiv @ Jul 7 2006, 10:21 AM) here, i quote myself again Very true when you said about in western countries that children are brought up to be independent. When I was studying in the UK, almost all of my british friends were kicked out of the house by the time they were 18. That means, they take student loans for themselves, work during term time to earn enough money to survive their rental fees and living expenses. Non of them drive cars except for those who come from rich families, everyone walked around. Then you see them do a lot of innovative things to try to earn extra cash. They do a lot of trading on Ebay, buying glow-in-the-dark wristbands by bulk and selling them for a hefty profit at concerts, buying houses and renting them out to cover the repayments and many more things. |
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cleverlynn
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Jul 7 2006, 01:27 PM
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how can ppl be jobless when the schools are lacking of teachers? go teach in primary or secondary school or be a tutor in uni while applying for industry job then! it will at least earn u some income while u r waiting for yr 'dream' job and help the teaching staffs problems..
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TSrexis
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Jul 7 2006, 03:34 PM
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There will always some people looking for job and some job looking for people.
Everybody want to make the best money out of minimum effort.
Everyboss want to hire the best people with the least money.
Now the market just have to find a balance in between.
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Ido
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Jul 7 2006, 07:06 PM
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there always a jobs out there....don't expect it to come to you..
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normaldude
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Jul 8 2006, 10:59 PM
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Getting Started
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I think fresh graduates need to do 2 kinds of learning when in University:
1. Formal Study
Study and do well in exams that the university is teaching to get a nice paper to show to your future employers
2. Real World Study
Create a jobstreet account fast fast. See what kind of jobs are available, what you like to do and what skills are employers asking for. Then, drop by MPH / Kinokuniya or any bookstore of you choice to get a book and learn what the heck are those things mentioned in the job ad.
After you have done your uni assignments, spend some time to do your own stuff that you learned from the book. Example for IT grads: Create some simple program to exercise what you have learned, or redo your uni assignment in a different language method.
Then think and ponder. Take other subjects as deemed fit if you have the opportunity. Example: Take an advance database course to complement your self study on database. From the job ads in jobstreet, you can roughly see which technologies / software are "in" and which are not. You'll be surprised that some of your lecturers might be very shallow and might not even know what people are using in the real world.
I'm pretty sure if you can try to keep up to date with jobstreet during your uni years, by the time you graduate, you should have some of the important skills needed by the industry.
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nightzstar
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Jul 9 2006, 12:27 AM
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I got some worries here. I don't know which path i gonna take. I have found my interest but still have some vague.Well i do like computing and cars but i have taken form six as well. I thought automotive mechatronics but that spm graduate can take already and i already wasted one and half year for form six.Oh yeah i have some urgent question to ask you all, what do you think about Bachelor Of Information Technology (Hons) Communication and Networking? How about the job prospect in future? Well most of the employee will seek for experienced ones.I have done research on jobstreet.com
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sinoffire
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Jul 9 2006, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 9 2006, 12:27 AM) I got some worries here. I don't know which path i gonna take. I have found my interest but still have some vague.Well i do like computing and cars but i have taken form six as well. I thought automotive mechatronics but that spm graduate can take already and i already wasted one and half year for form six.Oh yeah i have some urgent question to ask you all, what do you think about Bachelor Of Information Technology (Hons) Communication and Networking? How about the job prospect in future? Well most of the employee will seek for experienced ones.I have done research on jobstreet.com now, i know shite about the computing & stuff. so i aint the proper person to ask on the good/bad of that particular course tt u mentioned. but one thing for sure is, equip urself in wateva way u can. bcos, once u start working, the time for u to go back to study is gonna reduce edi. yes, u may do it partime, but think of it, it's gonna be tiring & u gotta pandai2 divide ur time between work & study. so, do all ur study before u come out to the society & work. as for experience, well...just send in those resumes, only thing is that show ur eager/hunger to learn to the interviewer eventho u got no experience in that particular field. someone for sure gonna hire u, it's just a matter of which company got the gut to hire a fresh grad nia. erm, one thing for sure is, network ppl sure earn lotsa $$$ tho. my trainer told me that few days back.  just my op. |
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scorgio
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Jul 9 2006, 02:19 AM
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Had a TT with a gentleman who holds a managing post of an advertising company.
He was talking about how he hired people smarter than him. So that they work for him & he himself don't have to work.
When we came to the topic of young grads unemployed. This was his statement:
"I don't care even if you're an MBA. Unless you have 10 years under your belt, you are nothing."
This post has been edited by scorgio: Jul 9 2006, 02:19 AM
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Chester
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Jul 9 2006, 02:52 AM
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I think they dont have the knowledge, especially in local uni, including me.
From what I see, we only study when there's exam. Even so, we study the tips that is given. Thats why we still can pass in exa and grad on time.
But whats the point of grad-ing when nobody wants to hire us. Thats why I felt, student itself is the problem. They simply dont have the knowledge and only study tips to pass exam. But of coz this din't involve all.
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olman
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Jul 9 2006, 02:54 AM
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jul 9 2006, 02:19 AM) Had a TT with a gentleman who holds a managing post of an advertising company. He was talking about how he hired people smarter than him. So that they work for him & he himself don't have to work. When we came to the topic of young grads unemployed. This was his statement: "I don't care even if you're an MBA. Unless you have 10 years under your belt, you are nothing." How would anyone gain experience if opportunity to get entry is not given, in part it is people like that gentleman that's contributing to the unemployment issue no matter how small part he played. It is always easier to talk with pride when you are already there. |
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