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post Jul 5 2006, 11:40 AM, updated 20y ago

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This issue going on since 5(or more) years ago. And none stop, and no sign of reducing, and getting more and more serious day by day. Why? Is it something wrong somewhere? Whats wrong?

This is a huge question mark.

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post Jul 5 2006, 11:44 AM

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Big part of the problem is within the graduates themselve. I believe the industry refusal to take in fresh graduates are second to that. I don't think they'll refuse to those quality graduates with some working experience. However, how many ppl in university today will take a part time job during the holidays? some, but not the majority.
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The graduates, for not having correct attitude to learn and work. [ 1 ] [100.00%]
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post Jul 5 2006, 11:53 AM

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These are few reasons that I could think of:

Company:
1) Does not hire fresh graduates
2) Salary too low (I mean below average expected salaries)
3) Hires the one with best academic results.

Fresh Graduate:
1) Taking their time so-called holiday not realising that it takes a while to get hired.
2) Choosy (in terms of salary, their dream job, location)
3) Lazy
4) Bad academic results
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discussed earlier.. at link and also at de-funk.blogspot.com


Why does it seem shocking to anybody that our (120k) fresh graduates are unemployed? People are offering far to many excuses from needing a long 'break', to the market saturated, not enough jobs, etc. At the end of the day i got only to ask
do our fresh graduates or students in colleges/uni show self intiative and are really working hard to prepare for the market?

Thats like asking can our MPs stop implementing and saying stupid things. whistling.gif

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post Jul 5 2006, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Jul 5 2006, 12:40 PM)

This is a huge question mark.

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I beg to differ. that's is not a huge question mark.

this, my fren... is...
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K. back to the real issue. Well the past few years technology been making us "limp" . And some sort of distracted. Look at around us, some of they r preoccupied (even in uni time) is playing online games, joining MLM. How many fractions really did utilised the power of connectivity to say... learn a few more skills to be put into their credentials and enhance their resume.



I had some trainees who are not motivated to learn, juz hoping for perks here n there (calculative claims) even though the were only in for few months. I even let them use the projector to watch Naruto* during lunchtime to boost their morale n work/learn but in the end.. some of their effort are juz so so . So I guess it's not that they was not given chance lo.

Further back I have some xtrainees who complained of migrain every other day or juz find ways to not to work.

Ah.. those good ol days..

*i know some of you (my xtrainees.. lurking around this forum) already started to know who i am. hehe. emmm.. Hie?

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jul 5 2006, 12:07 PM)
I beg to differ. that's is not a huge question mark.

this, my fren... is...
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K. back to the real issue. Well the past few years technology been making us "limp" . And some sort of distracted. Look at around us, some of they r preoccupied (even in uni time) is playing online games, joining MLM. How many fractions really did utilised the power of connectivity to say... learn a few more skills to be put into their credentials and enhance their resume.
I had some trainees who are not motivated to learn, juz hoping for perks here n there (calculative claims) even though the were only in for few months. I even let them use the projector to watch Naruto*  during lunchtime to boost their morale n work/learn but in the end..  some of their effort are juz so so . So I guess it's not that they was not given chance lo.

Further back I have some xtrainees who complained of migrain every other day or juz find ways to not to work.

Ah.. those good ol days..

*i know some of you (my xtrainees.. lurking around this forum) already started to know who i am. hehe. emmm.. Hie?
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Yeah right. I have a few trainees in my company as well. They are indeed in their own fantasies LOL. One of them asked me about my work. I told him some of my work descriptions and instructions. He surprised that I can managed all the burden. He even said there is no use working hard when the salary is not well compensated. I agree with that statement but to survive in this dog-eat-dog world you need to prove yourself worth every cent. wink.gif

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post Jul 5 2006, 12:37 PM

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Well most of the fresh grad are not proactive when they are looking for the job especially those that their parents have some money. Then it comes out to the fresh grad that have good results thinks that they are too good for this and that and dun want to accept low salary and lastly the industry is not too good so the company would rather hire someone that have experience than a trainee due to the cost and time needed to train them
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Ahhh, most people say its the graduates' fault, nobody standing from the graduate's point of view?(POW)

During school since young, we were trained to score in exam, they put a big A in front of us and tell us that is our goal, and goal as many as possible. And then, we are trained to memorise things, for those who failed to do so, punishment is applied, like copy 100 times the whole article, stand outside class, rotan etc.

If we manage to score plenty of A, our piece of work will be stuck on billboard, our mum and dad will grant us extra pocket money and the teacher will praised us in front of the class.

And then life goes on, we manage to enter university.

The first class of the semester the lecturer will tell us how is the marks distributed among tutorial assignments and exams, and tell us when is the mid term exam is so everybody prepare for it. And then we are provided with notes, and due to our experience, the teachers are expected to prepare their notes for the students.

The lecturer has to tell/beg the students to highlight the important chapters in a text book hoping that they will actually go thru it. And lecturers who didn't do so and expect their students to find it out themselves, will have to write a report regarding why so many students under him failed.

The university has to keep the standard, they cannot mark their students with marks too low, if lots of the students scored less then 50% they eventually has to graph it to a suitable percentage. If a university cannot produce any first class students at all, its their shame.

The amount of subjects we studied in a university is massive, almost each subject will required a few years of careful study to fully understand it, but with multiple subjects in a short semester, we just have less then a glance on it, memorised the symbols and text mechenically as we were trained to do so since birth.

And most importantly, students, with our current education system, are all trained to pass exams, not seek for knowledge.

So, blame the kids, or blame those who produced the kids?

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I think that everyone should play their role. This apply the same to the government.

Education - erms, perhaps when you go for the interview, the interviewer will warn you that the theory that you have learned in the class may not be the same that might apply in the real world. I think that fundamental knowledge in class is important and financial literacy is also important.

Attitude of learning - come on, talking about this. Students in foreign countries study before they attend lecture, and that's why they know what is happening and what the lecturer is teaching in front. They have doubts, they asked, then they understand more. Whilst in Malaysia, you do nothing, attend the lecture( maybe late due to overslept), then you look at the lecturer, then she looks at you, then when the time's up, you went home. Then when its exam, you listen to the tips and memorize. This applies to majority of students, so no offence to those really dedicated students!

Parents - they pay for your education, what do you expect more? Parent should not 'force' their children to study what ever they want. Listen to their children's opinion, and discuss about it.



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post Jul 5 2006, 02:23 PM

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The student, It is always the person fault. Btw, I am technically jobless, but I have many part time jobs.
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post Jul 5 2006, 02:41 PM

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QFT, infact the lack of tenderness to communicate in english in general is the reason behind all this. How many local universities students are able to fluently pass his/her message in english?So little of them. They can write, yes but speak?Well that is a whole different agenda. I remembered once, i had an american friend who came to visit me, most of my friends tend to back off or shy away rather than speak to him.

Another sad truth is that (in my experience, in my university) 80% of IT students in my batch, not only they lack communication skills, they lack the technical skills but they dont have the drive to learn things by themselves, they bought PC as a very expensive typewritter and gaming console, they scored 3.0+ CGPA and A for database subject, yet they no clue how to install mysql, let alone creat a complex database.

Yet, they have the guts to ask for a higher salary with the fact that they are almost skilless.

Most students lack the competitive edge that we need since we are sooooo comfortable in the situation we are in especially bumis (no pun intended since i am a bumi myself). We are so good at following till we dont have the drive to step up and take the lead.

I blame the lack of awareness to the vast knowledge available, I blame the lack of facilities available, i blame that most of graduates thinks they are too good yet not they know that they are clueless and i blame the lack of self motivation for all the unemployment issues.

I remembered not too long ago, a primary school kid (who is infact my little brother in-law) who is in fact a lazy bum sits in the bottom 3 class said he hates the smart kids because they tend to belagak abit and calls them "poyo". I told him, "you are a lazy bum and you got F for your exams and becasue of that they have the right to be proud of their achievements and show it. What have you got to show?You should be the "poyo", stupid." I said right in front of my father in-law.

The moral is, most of us are always envious about other's achievements yet we do nothing about ouselves.

Just my 12 cents
quoting myself in a previous thread.

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Graduates have no self intiative (researching on the local market and companies and being able to learn new things and multi-task as well as taking critique in a positive and construction manner than a negative one)

They have no self realisation (like havenzhiv has said so many students wield their degrees and diplomas like a golden ticket and think automatically they are to earn a certain $$$ amount. how many students you know are working partime jobs? Or know their own capabilty? How many are even honest with themselves about this?)
and are unable to self educate.

Problem is also the mindset that has been drilled that 'academics' and 'grades' are everything. All educational institutions in the world have a certain academic criteria that they uphold and follow. But it has been said that the education/ educational system in Asia focuses deeply in academics and technicality more.
This can be shown clearly in the Malaysian paper (The Star), students are always getting remarkable results and constantly show the achievements academically in the paper, yet Malaysia has a problem of over 120,000 unemployed graduates shown in statistics and one third of them (30,000 graduates) are design students.
In many government schools in Asia especially the South-East Asia region, they focus mostly in academics and technicality where many of these educational institutions do not encourage to ask questions or to promote discussions and critical thinking within classes.

Yes there is problems with our educational institutions and there always will be. The students need to make a stand and also learn how to improve the quality of education. Too many graduates and students in colleges are expected to be spoon-fed by information cuz one paid for the tuition fees?

I'm so tired of students moaning and groaning about no jobs or the its so hard to get jobs when I can clearly see so many reasons why they cant get one. Stop blaming others and take some damn responsiblity.


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*sorry double post

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post Jul 5 2006, 05:31 PM

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I believe it all boils down to the attitude of the graduate themselves.

For one thing, you can't blame on the education system, why? Because out of the 120k graduates who are jobless, there are many more with jobs. Most people would point to the fact that we only target towards A's in exams, but in fact it is targeting towards excellence.

With the right attitude and willingness, anyone can find a job. I guess it all depends on whether how choosy they choose to be. Do they want jobs that suit them or are they willing to step out of their own comfort zones to try out new horizons?

Why attitude? Because of their attitude in Uni was that of lack-lustre, copy off friends and lacking in initiative, they have no one else to blame but themselves. It doesn't matter which prestigious uni they can come from, as long as they have bad attitudes, they complain at the very sight of not being able to get a job.

A few examples, a uni graduate, comes out with no clue on how to write a CV. So they search online and find a couple of examples or even yet get a program to write out the whole CV for them. Then they send out their resumes straight to various companies. They don't get a reply or no answer, then they come and b**** about it in the forums. What I see is lack of research as well, did they reviewed back on their resumes and cover letters? Did they ask for opinions from other people on the content? Did they get someone to proof read their documents? Did they call back the companies and ask for feedback?

The reason why I am banging on attitude, try reading the posts here in this forum. I hardly encounter any type of posts asking questions based on their hard work, rather instead I see so many types of questions being asked without proper research done. That is the kind of attitude here, waiting for people to drop food on their plate without even trying to sing for their supper. vmad.gif
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i strongly agree with graduate's ATTITUDE as a factor of the unemployment. with the right attitude everyone can get a job. underqualified? start from lower position to gain experience), take some time to learn. attitude also influence communication skills; which is one of the most looked for criteria from employer nowadays. Being more open minded, initiative, socialize all helps improving communication/ teamworking skills. Its not in the syllabus, but only can be gained with the correct attitude.

Education? neh, its the environmental factor, if there are any. Most ppl i know who have hard time so start their career were 'too comfortable' in their life. Heh when their parents stop giving them pocket money; or having crisis; only then the reality comes into the picture. so it goes back to the ATTITUDE factor.

Industry? never involved in HR/management before, but im sure one of the reason why the industry hesitated from hiring fresh grads because the majorities of graduates themselves are incompetent enough. Why bother training new recruits who 'shouldve' gotten all the skills during their graduate studies?

just my 2 cents. im one of those who falls into the 'unemployed' category dry.gif
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The graduates, for not having correct attitude to learn and work
THis is the main reason...
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jobstreet
Job Position XXX

Total applicants: 450

but only 1 person will successfully gain entry.
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jul 5 2006, 05:31 PM)
I believe it all boils down to the attitude of the graduate themselves.

For one thing, you can't blame on the education system, why? Because out of the 120k graduates who are jobless, there are many more with jobs. Most people would point to the fact that we only target towards A's in exams, but in fact it is targeting towards excellence.

With the right attitude and willingness, anyone can find a job. I guess it all depends on whether how choosy they choose to be. Do they want jobs that suit them or are they willing to step out of their own comfort zones to try out new horizons?

Why attitude? Because of their attitude in Uni was that of lack-lustre, copy off friends and lacking in initiative, they have no one else to blame but themselves. It doesn't matter which prestigious uni they can come from, as long as they have bad attitudes, they complain at the very sight of not being able to get a job.

A few examples, a uni graduate, comes out with no clue on how to write a CV. So they search online and find a couple of examples or even yet get a program to write out the whole CV for them. Then they send out their resumes straight to various companies. They don't get a reply or no answer, then they come and b**** about it in the forums. What I see is lack of research as well, did they reviewed back on their resumes and cover letters? Did they ask for opinions from other people on the content? Did they get someone to proof read their documents? Did they call back the companies and ask for feedback?

The reason why I am banging on attitude, try reading the posts here in this forum. I hardly encounter any type of posts asking questions based on their hard work, rather instead I see so many types of questions being asked without proper research done. That is the kind of attitude here, waiting for people to drop food on their plate without even trying to sing for their supper.  vmad.gif
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Come on amigo, don't be so hard hitting, everyone was once a newbie, laugh.gif

My take on who's/what to blame:
1- Increasing number of people flooding and aiming for the same piece of pie/field which is limited.

2- Most positions requires one to have some years of experience add that too with some advertising with insane number of skill sets one should have (A-Z). Saw such job postings in Jobstreet.

3- Our Education system in short.

4- Yeah, persona plays a significant role too sweat.gif

5-last but not least, choosy laugh.gif

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post Jul 6 2006, 11:40 PM

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my advice for freshies who are choosy about salary: u are the bottom of the food chain. start from there n climb up.

from my survey on my friends, most dip freshies start at 1.2k. degree freshies start at 1.8k-2k. if u start with more than that, consider urdelf lucky.

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