Malaysia have the tendency not to purchase items that already in service or in procurement process in neighboring country

so aster can consider out, even the navy didn't not plan to use Aster in their new vessel. Patriot abit susah, uncle sam still didnt trust us to such extent

best is russian sam or china.. but china also low in list

Pantsir look like a good choice since it much more mobile, but i would see it as an intern solution or to replace our jernas rather than strengthening our air defense

The army should get a proper and much capable SAM system

like the patriot or s300 system.


no organization have claim responsibility thus far, plus have to find where the hell the plane is currently
But it rather embarrassing, that our ministry have been changing statements since day 1.

itzit? Then i guess malaysia sam system can really throw ad since jernas is the main air defense system currently used in Malaysia apart from interceptor jets

should get s300 or s400 system then. Missile are sealed and life span of 15 years

my personal opinion is that
The military dont want to reveal their secret radar system to others especially neighboring country but forced to now after the whole fiasco by MOD

on the incompetent. crew again this is my theory

military radar normally target abnormal movement such as super high speed, or suspicious maneuvers by small flying object. For a commercial jet it a big radar target, something the radar operator see almost everyday nothing suspicious unless notified to search for a specific target

The problem i suspect here is that, the air traffic controller and military radar operator are not in sync. When the plane lost contact, the air traffic controller fail to inform immediately to the RMAF to cross check with their radar.

If they are not informed, they would not cross check with their radar since commercial jet is nothing to be suspicious of. Though they should be competent enough to notice sudden flight part

so both are at fault

It on most of the time but it not like those radar used in US or russia. Those are big and very sophisticated and can identify a variety of target

i believe malaysia one is located at certain strategic place only, thus explaining the limited coverage
but since the radar data will be release, so most country will know our radar capabilities soon

This post has been edited by thpace: Mar 17 2014, 12:31 AM

if u read the official detail investigation

The air force immediately scramble jet to intercept the plane after atc contact they lost communication, iinm, within 20 minutes jet are deployed to see what happen. They are within close proximity with the jets in less than hour

But their one issues, the passenger in the jet are american, and the military have to decide to shot down or let it fly? not very easy thing to do, military are not allowed to kill American civilian. So they was there following the jet until they ram the tower while top brass decide what to do

So in american case, their SOP and interception have no issues, the top brass decision making

Malaysia in other hand look like have both


that is classified military equipments, we dont even know where it location. could be at Johor out of range or could be within range, we also dunno

Plus, it not a tracking system like the one used in radar

The most common, is irregular fly route. Most commercial got a set of predefined route or points they have to fly through

Unidentified object if have this signature, can be classified as threat

In case of MS370, it follow all the points as in any commercial including the turn back. The military see no suspicious as standard turn back procedure plus Dca didnt inform any critical information to them

Any in typical malaysia style, kalau tak ada masalah buat apa check
Basically both party is at fault, DCA fail to inform the military promptly and the military fail to take initiative to check unidentified object in their radar

detected, they even scramble jet that are not armed in mission to shoot down one of the hijacked aircraft

iinm, within 20min they lost contact, atc straight contact the air force of possible hijack. Malaysia case, no inform, military no take action

It just give it as 777, does not mention where it flying, what passenger it holding etc etc. All that information is under DCA

Let say in a military scenario, you see the enemy fighter jet, the most u want to know as an officer is what jet it is and it current position. Do u need to know where it heading?

chances it going to bomb something aint i right?

unless it a military threat, the air force have no reason to respond unless informed by an emergency etc

how nice if we could own one.. but mimpi hanya kekal mimpi sahaja di malaysia unless ada $$$

military atc there is specifically for military aircraft landing there including those of other nations. But i also quite surprise, if that close, how come there could be communication problem

Ni apasal kat kedai runcit ni

kalau kat gudang.. masih ada standard.. ni kedia runcit?

basically malaysia air defense relies heavily of fighter aircraft

jernas used to defend air base saja?

any reason why navy still hesitating to switch gas turbine instead of diesal?

if i not mistaken, gas turbine ships can move faster

Nama missle covertte but no vls system
no ciws also

it like malaysia always get the short sticks until even outside country offer such low spec to us

like last time case.. china missile frigate come.. most of our patrol boat can do is ikut ikut belakang. We post an insignificant treat to them

we wont know about that, need ltz to confirm ada ikut tak?

apasal ikut ally pulak instead of china


Nak cakap nanti ada hardcore tak happy.. but with tat price

if got satu biji ciws still aceptable la.. Ni satu pun tak ada

oni point defend capabilities, no area defense but 3000 ton.. dunno letak apa dalam until so heavy but armament oni standards. Batu ?

survey their training kah?

If china put at malaysia water, i wounder will our timid PM will made a hu ha or just "tak pa lah, kita nego sama mereka"

I am sure the military tops sure wondering, ni orang atas kepala betul ke tak

just realized the gun mass so high until have to stand?

tinggi nya.. Easy sniper target

Not surprising, now their documentary even cover random things

no like in 90s, really educational

3/4 of the body is out

so big target no even need to aim at commander head.

Wonder will we ever get more tanks

then what navy term?

our gomen? Joke... national defense is lowest priority... macam mana nak kasih brim next year if still stay in power

if brim give to national defense.. banyak benda can beli