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wayfeel
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Dec 28 2013, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 28 2013, 09:34 PM) nope, no damage unless you let go of the brake pedal without noticing and crashing into the car infront. the torque converter continues to spin but nothing is worn as only hydraulic fluid is being pumped around causing no wear actually pushing to D and N often causes more damage as the clutch packs and valve body is used a lot more, having to switch constantly from D to N defeats te purpose of a auto gearbox. just keep enough pressure on the brake pedal I really didnt know that... INM I heard CVT is not good if brake in Gear D....as well as DSG? True? I believe quite so for CVT....since they are not EXACTLY conventional AT But interesting topic though...since is related to good caring of the sensitive and 2nd most expensive component of the car after engine
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Dec 28 2013, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE(DonMe @ Dec 28 2013, 11:01 PM) All auto transmission cars will disconnect the clutch/ torque convertor once it detects it is completely stopped and the brake is still pressed. Keep changing between n and d damages the gearbox faster than just pressing on the brake pedal. I have friends driving same car where 1 will also change to n while waiting while the other just pressed on the brake. In the end the one who keeps changing to n need to change gearbox earlier. All AT? CVT n DSG leh? Serious? Wat car? locol or jdm or conti? tq
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Dec 28 2013, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(DonMe @ Dec 28 2013, 11:42 PM) Seen on jazz 08 and toyota altis. One should be cvt and the other is 4at. U really mean both friends drive jazz and altis...n the one shift more D<->N GB kong earlier? mebe the fren who shift more forgot to change GB oil  My 8.5yo City also No problem. I m a frequent shifter...
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Dec 28 2013, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(gold member @ Dec 28 2013, 11:45 PM) I read here: http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/columns...uck-in-traffic#» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Hi, Ferman!
I recently bought a Toyota Vios 1.5 equipped with a four-speed automatic transmission. I have a habit of shifting to neutral during stop-and-go traffic conditions and while waiting for the light to go green.
My question is: will this have a bad effect on my transmission? I feel like leaving the gear set to D during traffic consumes more fuel and might place additional stress on the brakes because it is trying to stop the car constantly. Is this true as well?
I used to drive a Lancer 1.6 equipped with CVT. I never really had a problem with the transmission despite doing the same thing. But I've read that CVT is different from a traditional automatic transmission, which the Vios has. I'm really wondering if this driving habit is good for my car or not.
Thank you very much for reading this letter.
Regards,
Dennis
Hi Dennis,
What you are doing is correct.
Quite a number of drivers, particularly the ones who picked up bad driving habits from other drivers who didn't know any better, often practice improper driving by not shifting to neutral when the car is not moving. While I would like to tell you that there is a good reason (under normal circumstances) for keeping it in D and stepping on the brakes at a stop, I can't. It's mostly born out of laziness and improper training.
As you have correctly surmised, the engine does consume more fuel and you do wear down your brake-system components more when you leave your transmission in D or Drive while the traffic light is red or when you’re idling and waiting.
With automatic transmissions, the engine is energizing or driving the transmission to move in the direction of the gear you've selected--forward or reverse. When you keep it in gear, you are telling your vehicle to move; when you're on the brakes, you're preventing motion. You're unnecessarily and slowly raising your automatic transmission fluid, wearing out your transmission clutches, and consuming more fuel because you're on the brakes to keep the car from inching forward. You're also unnecessarily wearing down and heating up your brake pads. By simply shifting to N or neutral there would be no need to apply the brakes with the amount of force required to resist forward motion.
If you notice all of the above result in unnecessary wear, all of which increase the cost of operating and maintaining your vehicle. It's also a very unsafe practice as if you happen to accidentally lift your foot off the brake, you will most likely get into an accident.
While we're on the subject of automatic transmissions, it is also a very bad habit to shift into P or Park when you're at a stoplight. Numerous drivers have adopted the practice as well and, quite frankly, it is also an accident waiting to happen apart from slowing damaging a different part of your transmission, which will eventually lead to the a different sort of automatic transmission failure.
It won't matter if your car has CVT or the conventional multi-speed automatic transmission. Shifting to neutral under most normal conditions is good practice.
Best regards,
Ferman Lao Tech editor  Thanks. Pls contribute more links/reading material pls...I often googled for littlest shit, time to relax and let the young ppl google for me to read only  Tx This post has been edited by wayfeel: Dec 28 2013, 11:50 PM
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Dec 29 2013, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(DonMe @ Dec 29 2013, 12:00 AM) Well I would do say it also depends on the atf used and the driving condition. Usually, assuming they send to honta and toyoda SC in the first few years of their car ownership, then it safe to say the atf is the right kind to use....so left the driving condition... then that said....ur friends, you should know their driving condition...however not everyone is 'capable' of 'hard driving'....if they r not near the rough ppl kind...the GB should durable for normal use.... Then again, I would probably trust in Ferman Lao....hehe
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Dec 29 2013, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(p*** LYF @ Dec 29 2013, 12:07 AM) let's make stall test for your AT apply brake pedal > shift in 'L,D' > Kick down accelerate pedal FULL observe RMP reading. if above 2000rev, means slippage occur Try it at home now When kick down acceleartion, how about the brake pedal, still hold or let go?  sry noob
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Dec 29 2013, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE(kahjye @ Dec 29 2013, 12:14 AM) guys. i`ve a question my car kinda shakes abit when i put on D and step on brake when waiting for the traffic light. how to ease up the shakes eh? new car do not shake at all when its in this situation  my car is 6 years old btw. when is the lastime u change your GB oil, did you check what mileage d? there's one more that cause vibration but i dont rmb what d....after all resort done, then check your engine mounting last, usually not the case for 'normal car' What car btw This post has been edited by wayfeel: Dec 29 2013, 12:36 AM
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Dec 29 2013, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(nova_freak @ Dec 29 2013, 04:26 PM) Ur 8.5 years old City using wat CVT fluid? Service at SC or outside? BTW, who is that ferman lao? Ferman lao is the author write teh article in the earliest link provided in this topic. myb page1 CVTF fluid since delivery. SC for all warranty period and another 1-2 years for that, the rest outside... No GB juddering at standstill, D or N watsoever, touchwood
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wayfeel
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Dec 30 2013, 04:09 AM
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QUOTE(unitron @ Dec 29 2013, 08:09 PM) There's a simple solution. Long stop put to N short stop just put in D... How long you decide la.. For me it's 30 seconds or so. Can close thread. Ya me also lik tht. It balances both school of advocates...it abit logic /klose tered
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Dec 30 2013, 04:10 AM
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QUOTE(nova_freak @ Dec 29 2013, 09:04 PM) When service outside, wat CVTF u use? I wan service outside too, but not sure wat brand of CVTF to use.. Honda's gearbox too.. I used honda bottle CVTF GB oil...U can buy it at Honda SC n tak it to outside wokshop if U wan absolute surety
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