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gobiomani
post Aug 8 2019, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(yonghong @ Aug 5 2019, 10:44 AM)
Hi all, plan to buy home speaker for my LG TV.

I am looking at Samsung HW-Q60R soundbar, tested it and feel like not to the extend as a lower price of 5.1ch home theater system did.

Is there any recommendation for 5.1ch home theater system with budget below 2k?

Mainly for music and movie purpose, not a very high end user also.

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There are no proper 5.1 home theater system for RM2k budget. Best you can get is a used AV Receiver and used book-shelf speakers for 2.0. Then upgrade to get subwoofer and surround speakers later on when you have more budget. This 2.0 setup will in all likelihood sound better than any 5.1 HTIB that you can find.
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post Jun 22 2020, 04:25 PM

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Dear sifus, I just added a pair of dolby atmos upfiring speakers (Dali Alteco C1) to my home theater setup with a Marantz SR5011 AV receiver. The immediate thing that I noticed was that I needed to turn up the volume much higher than before and the overall sound quality feels a bit diminished compared to previously. I think this is because the Marantz Receiver is having to provide amplification for 7 channels now and is struggling to do this.
I am thinking of adding a power amp into the mix and since power amps are sort of future proof compared to AVRs, I can also retain it when I upgrade my AVR down the road. Will this improve the "loudness" or am I wrong in thinking about a power amplifier?

If I should be getting a power amp, my question is what should I be looking for? 2 channels or 5 channels? Any suggestions on brands/models to look for? I plan to keep it under RM3k or even lower if possible. Would Pro Power Amps like Behringer or Crown make sense since these seem to be cheaper and offer a lot of power? I primarily use the system for movies and tv shows 90% and 10% music listening. Appreciate if I can get some pointers on what to look for. Thanks for reading guys.

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post Jun 23 2020, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 22 2020, 11:30 PM)
What are your other speakers and how big is your room?
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Fronts are Tannoy Mercury V4 floorstanders (90db efficiency) with Mercury VCi centre and VRi surrounds. Its in the living room which is about 500sq ft with 11 feet high ceiling. But its an open area to the dining and kitchen without any walls in between which is another 700sq ft. I only need to cover the living area.
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post Jun 23 2020, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 23 2020, 04:38 PM)
Unfortunately, you have to also cover your dining and kitchen area because sound travels as far until it hits the next boundary and then reflects back. So since there are no walls between your kitchen, dining and living area, the next wall is basically the back of the house - assuming nothing is behind your kitchen after that.

Returning to your question, the most important speaker to amplify in a multi channel setup is the Center channel, followed by the Left and Right mains. Preferably, you'd want at least a 3 channel amp. A good one that doesn't break the bank is the Emotiva XPA 3 Gen3. If you have deeper pockets, then there's a whole slew of multi channel amps that you can choose from like Parasound, Rotel, McIntosh, and so on.

You can use pro amps from Crown too, but as far as I'm concern - it's not optimal. Reason being pro amps usually have a very high input voltage, most receivers only has 2v out from their pre-outs and even then they start clipping at around 1.5v. So buying pro amps and not being to utilize the full range of its power is kind of like a waste of money (although they are much cheaper than mainstream amps). Furthermore, pro amps usually use XLR as their inputs and your 5011 doesn't have that. You could use a converter but that means you're driving up noise level even higher.
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Thanks a lot for your input bro. It's a bummer that due to my house setup I need more power to drive my speakers. Will gypsum partitions help somewhat here? I have been planning to put up a partition between my living and dining area but never had the urgency to get it done before. May start to look at it more seriously now if it can help with my power issue.

I searched for the Emotiva XPA 3 Gen3 and its around RM7.5k, very much above my budget. I found the BasX A-500 with 5 channels for RM2,999 at MaxxHT website, is this an acceptable power amp?
Also, based on what you're saying, if I get a power amp, I should always use it for the centre channel first and then the fronts. Meaning I shouldn't be looking at the 2 channel amps at all?
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post Aug 19 2020, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Aug 18 2020, 11:01 PM)
I don't like to beat around the bush. I tell you like it is. Harsh? Well, no offense but grow a pair please.

Yeah, KEF uses their own design of coaxial drivers. The design of coax drivers allows for wide speaker off-axis response, which is what translates to a "wide sweet spot" as you heard. The downside is that the treble response can be a little too bright for some people, but you seem to enjoy that kind of sound so looks like it's a boon to you.

You may check out the Wharfedale Evo series of speakers. Been really impressed with these speakers recently, really enjoy listening to them. Pretty well priced too, not much more expensive than a full set of Qx50 KEFs.
For now, get your room done with the basics first as was already mentioned. Choose your sofa(s), choose your wall color and any theme you'd like to go with in your room, get the lights done. The room acoustics part, well without a picture of your room, it is very difficult to say where to put what and how you should sit or orient your setup. I don't even know the size of your room.
When someone says something as absurd as this:
It should tell you to stop listening to the guy. Power cables will change the sound? Yeah uh huh. Sure. Pigs will also grow wings one day, it's just not their time for evolution yet.  rolleyes.gif
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Ben,

Which model of the Wharfedale Evos did you try and where?
I am very interested to try the Evo 4.2 and 4.4 after seeing some good reviews but I think only Style Laser carries Wharfedales now and they didn't have it for audition when I went there.
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post Aug 20 2020, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Aug 20 2020, 03:08 AM)
You may want to try Klipsch speakers too then.

Your room is on the small side, so placement of your sub is going to be critical. Will definitely need some heavy bass traps as well, pretty sure you're going to run into pretty significant room modes.
Actually I have a pair of Wharfedale Evo 4.2s. Bought it for my wife, put it in the bedroom as she wanted some good speakers for her music.

Yeah I bought my pair from Style Laser on discount few months ago during MCO.
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I see, I suppose then you bought it without listening to it first.
Guess I will do the same as it always seems to be out of stock (for the 4.2) and no demo unit, so have to preorder and hope I like it. Will go for the 4.2s as well. Thanks for your feedback.
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post Aug 26 2020, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(JustCheeze @ Aug 25 2020, 04:16 PM)
I just want a HT room that is cozy with good sound and good visuals.

I do not think TGV or GSC style is good at all their sound is usually suck.
OHH. Ok thanks for the good explanation. So that's what the UMIK1 is use for that I read about when using minidsp? Right now I have already told my electrician to pull the wires, maybe next week contractor for ceiling will come to redo the ceiling.

My option so far for set up is

- KEF Q350 bookshelf (or should I get the tower version?)
- KEF Q650c center
- KEF Q800 dipole surround
- KEF in ceiling C130 atmos

I am getting from this shop call hoe huat. For receiver I have not decide, but they keep recommending me pioneer for some reason? hmm.gif
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No sub woofer(s)?
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post Aug 26 2020, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(JustCheeze @ Aug 26 2020, 03:26 PM)
I not yet decide on sub. Not yet went and audition SVS. Someone also PM me to check out Rythmik and Starke subwoofers. You heard of them?
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SVS, Rythmik, Starke subs are all well regarded. Personally I haven't heard Starke subs before. You will have to audition and see what you like.
I will suggest getting 2 subs rather than 1 big expensive sub. Contrary to what is often said in forums, some of the "speaker brand" subs are also pretty good for the money but you will have to be more careful in choosing compared to those subwoofer specialists like SVS. The key point here is that Internet Direct companies like SVS are good value for money in their own country but in Malaysia they go through a normal distribution channel making the prices higher which in turn makes subs from "normal speaker" companies competitive in terms of price.

But do take note that you need to do more homework if you choose something other than those from the sub specialists as the lower end subs from traditional speaker companies are generally rubbish.

As for AVR, I think Denon and Marantz are the way to go. You also get very good value if you buy previous year models instead of the newly released ones. If you must have 8k or some other HDMI 2.1 features, then no choice but to get the 2020 models. For your budget you should be looking at the Denon X6700H or Marantz SR7015 but they might take some time to be available in Malaysia or the equivalent past year models.

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post Aug 31 2020, 02:05 PM

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I have a pair of Wharfedale Evo 4.2 bookshelfs on pre-order expected to arrive sometime in September and recently came across a used pair of Tannoy Revolution XT8F floorstanders for a good price. I was very interested in the Tannoys for the past couple of years but the retail price in Malaysia was too high so I decided to look for other options. Now I can get a used pair for a good price but not sure whether I should get it. Since I have a pair of PSB 12 inch subs so I think I don't really need floorstanders but I personally do prefer them over standmounts. I know its not a fair comparison between a bookshelf and floorstander but since I have only paid a booking fee for the Evo 4.2, I'm thinking whether I should just go for the XT8F? I haven't heard either of them before, so some insights will be welcome.

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post Aug 31 2020, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 31 2020, 04:59 PM)
this set is quite expensive yo. but still a 2.5 way. not much diff than common floorstand.
wharfrdale evo is 3 way & ribbon will bring totally diff level to ur audio world
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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 31 2020, 05:28 PM)
unless u have listen tannoy set before & really aim for it. then answer appear from ur heart
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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 31 2020, 05:30 PM)
1 more point to consider is 8" not easy to push (perfectly), room size too
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Yeah, the evo 4.2 is a new thing for me with the amt tweeters and dome midrange but my worry is because I haven't heard either of them before.
I have an AVR and power amp so not worried about power and I also have a large living room but more concerned about which will be better for me. Other than movies i also listen to flac files from my NAS.
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post Aug 31 2020, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Aug 31 2020, 06:27 PM)
The Evo 4.2 is a more refined speaker than the Tannoy XT8, excluding bass presentation. But if you have subs, that's really a non issue.
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Thanks for your comments, I thought that may be the case as well but a bit tempted due to the much lower price. I think I will stick with the Evo 4.2.
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post Aug 31 2020, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 31 2020, 08:50 PM)
go demo tannoy if seller allow
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I tried previously but they don't have demo unit, only new one in box and they were reluctant to open it up.
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post Aug 31 2020, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 31 2020, 09:01 PM)
terus give up. no demo no buy
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Ya lah, what to do? They are the only ones who carry this model.

QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 31 2020, 09:07 PM)
nowdays very worry penipu scammer case
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What penipu scammer case?

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post Aug 31 2020, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 31 2020, 10:17 PM)
beginning u mention good offer tannoy used set.
later become new in box unable demo. very suspicious
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Oh, the unable to demo was the shop one. Used one haven't ask to demo yet. If demo also still can't compare with Evo 4.2.
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post Sep 1 2020, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 1 2020, 07:55 AM)
I almost never demo when buying. Just to have trust yourself sometimes. I had never regret it
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I don't really understand this part, while I get that due to the room affecting the sound what we hear at a shop floor will not be the same as in our home. But how to decide and buy something without listening to it at all? How do you actually choose the speakers then, based on the recommendation of others? Reviews?
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post Sep 1 2020, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 1 2020, 05:58 PM)
Based on my own liking. I bought 2 pair of speakers so far without audition it. Listen to your heart
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Can clarify what you mean by own liking? What made you like the speakers, is it aesthetics?
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post Sep 2 2020, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 1 2020, 10:29 PM)
When I pay for something, first I will consider the purpose. This case, I want the speaker to be use for music and second in home theater. So it has to be a big enough speaker stereo that don’t require sub. Than will be aesthetic, need to have some matching to my room and the rest of the setup. Than comes the sound which is subjective. I like British sound that is why I don’t mind brand like KEF, monitor audio, q-acoustics, B&W. Most of them will be close enough. Review or not is just more of fun fact for me to find out
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I think you are long enough in this hobby with lots of experience which allows you to make choices this way. I kind of understand your logic now. But for a relative newbie like me, still not sure of what I want due to lack of experience listening to many speakers. So far I only know that I like certain Monitor Audio, Tannoy, Wharfedales but don't like Klipsch, Polk Audio and Focal. This is based on my limited experience so I still like to listen to the sound signature before deciding to buy if possible. The only reason I dared to pre-book the Evo 4.2 was because I like Wharfedales in general and I think its a safe choice in that sense.
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post Sep 21 2020, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(vivakarna @ Sep 20 2020, 04:11 PM)
Hello, for 13k budget is there any better value of soundbar/surround sound system than sennheiser ambeo? Tq
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Don't waste 13k on a soundbar. Other than simplicity and convenience of setting-up, there is no way it can be better than an AV Receiver with separate speakers and subwoofer(s) for the same price.
But you will have to do some work in choosing the receiver, speakers (and decide speaker combinations - 5.1/5.1.2/etc), subs, cables etc.
I guess it boils down to whether you are interested / have time to spend to get a good sound system. If you are just ticking boxes and it's just something to get and you are not really into good audio, then a soundbar makes sense. Horses for courses, I suppose.
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post Sep 21 2020, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(vivakarna @ Sep 21 2020, 03:32 PM)
Recently tested the ambeo at gardens, for what it is, to me the sound coming out of it is really good already. Actually i don't have the space to setting up proper ATMOS experience so maybe this is the one I'd buy for the time being. Thank you for the insight guys 👌🏻
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I guess you have already decided on your poison and came here to get affirmation on your choice.
You are making a big mistake that you will regret later sad.gif
But it's your money and your mistake to make. Enjoy your poison thumbup.gif
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post Sep 23 2020, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Sep 22 2020, 03:58 PM)
For 13k, I would do:

- Wharfedale Evo 4.2 (pair)
- Wharfedale Evo 4.C (the 3 way version, WTMW design, NOT the MTM model)
- SVS PB3000 sub (or dual SB2000 Pro if you don't have the space and you're not willing to get another PB3000 down the line)
- Whatever left over change for the surrounds and in-ceiling speakers.

If you have to include a receiver within the 13k budget, I'd say go with the cheaper 2000 series subs from SVS (ported or sealed up to you), in fact get it second hand even.

The Starke Sound Echo is actually decent, but they're all still small satellite speakers. Still produces the same issue as the SVS prime satellite set, those satellites simply cannot go below 100hz. I had the SVS prime sats for a while too, they were okay but nothing amazing. But for about RM5k, they were of decent value though.
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Have you heard the Wharfedale Evo 4.C? Is it a good centre speaker?
I have ordered the Evo 4.2 and will probably try it with my current setup first and then maybe consider getting the 4.C. My current centre speaker is the Tannoy Mercury VCi which is a MTM design with 4" woofers, quite small compared to the 4.C. So far it gets the job done so thinking whether it would make a big enough difference to justify the price which is almost as much as the 4.2s.

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