well the point is if coat, we cannot simply use other material, must use back the coated material. and we are stick to 200+ maint fees for 6 months for 3 to 5 years.

If wax and polish freq example like 6 months. we still spend 200+ for such service. But without the 1 lump sum coat of few K

hi all sifus, 

just want to ask some basics how does a average wax hold up ? 2 to 3 weeks ? incl raining & washing in between.

Due my car cant really hold up wax. 2 to 3 times in a rain, wax gone already. brands i tried 3M, Meg, & nanowax.

worst is the nanowax, 1 time in a rain, 80% of the waxes gone (just waxed a day before) 

is it because of my car paint quality ? ( i respray once ) or i have to do something before do waxing ?

*Proton S.Neo
*send for shops to do polish & wax

Thanks ~

  feb till now is like... almost half year, and the ULW still holding up good??? or is it the BSD that you keep applying (weekly??) i wonder is it the ULW that's protecting or the BSD  

well not sure about that but definitely is liquid thou

wow that is impressive

well i tried before i asked them for a polish service before the wax, well below is the details

Paid RM 200 + - for detail polish & wax <inc clay & compounding etc> 3M products
for this packages it holds the wax longest about 3 weeks plus before i have to send for waxing again but as time goes on it holds around a week or twice only. (this is about year ago)

recently paid RM 170 for simple polish & nanowax  <had to paid so much due they incl the nano coat>
this is the worst, finish today a day later park outside and heavy rain, there goes my wax. 

what seems to be a problem ? shop pipu skill problem lel ?

any tips of brand wax that worth buying ? lets say budget around < $100 ? 

looking something durable and have max water sheeting as i park my car outdoor most of the time ~

Is okay to use shampoo as lube? Was thinking to do that as well. I thought that Meguairs used the quik detailer as clay lube but that's expensive!

In that case after washing my car it is wet. Do I have to dry it down completely then only clay with shampoo?

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I have the same attachment as you. I've only used it twice, with very disappointing results. It is not as well built as other foam lance attachments, just do a youtube search for foam lance and karcher foam lance, you will see a very big difference. Others get snow, Karcher gets melting snow, if you get my drift...

Also, based on my previous searches, Megs Ultimate Wash and Wax doesn't create as much foam as other shampoos.

Try using very hot water when you mix the soap solution, dont shake before you close the top, and don't shake too hard because it freaking leaks! And lastly, play around with the dilution.

I gave up after realising i use 5X the amount of soap with the foam lance vs normal 2 bucket method. Maybe when my kid is older i'll bring it out and have a snow party... or a melting snow party.

Yea, Karcher's one looks nothing like that. Anyhow, IMHO the added lubricity from the foam is not significant enough to justify a lance purchase and time needed to setup. I found that in our weather i had to foam, wash and rinse section by section to prevent the soap from drying up. Or maybe i've got slow hands 

Is this a good example of OCD...? Hahaha.. i hope i not getting into that.. although hand itchy itchy all the time after started a bit into car care (me not detailers yet, you guys are crazy bunch, detail until even hard / soft water) ..

Ok will try to clay my car and hopefully take some photos then. Going to clay + wax. Normally i don't know if i am too anal or what but a normal washing + drying takes me around 3 1/2 hours

thanks to quaz and g88.

How do i tag someone btw?

only for my clay lube lol... for regular shampoo, megs gold class works fine for me... and it's taking too damn long to deplete as i wanted to try Sonax

Wait im confused .....

M135 is equivalent to Meg's Ultimate Quick Detailer.
D156 is equivalent to Meg's Quick Wax.
D155 is equivalent to? 
 

Oh haha thanks for that tip...

Well have to slowly gather gang gang detailer!!! 

Well...I've been using them (on and off) and a few others for quite some time now.





Here's my takes on QDs and spray waxes.

I only use QD (M34) for clay lubricant and also (Last Touch) for light cleaning when/if I missed some spots AFTER WASH. I don't feel comfortable using it to 'clean' light dusting after a few days, regardless if the car had been driven or not. I just let it be and leave it that way until my next proper wash.

If I were to do (which I very seldom need to) that kind of 'cleaning', I would prefer to use a 'no-rinse' or 'waterless' product instead. For these, I would alternate between Optimum No Rinse,  Duragloss Rinseless Wash or Megs D114 - Rinse Free Express Wash - my current favourite. These products are more economical to use. I use at 2oz to 1gal dilution (around 1:64) in a spray bottle and spray liberally or at 1oz to 1gal (1:128) if using a wash bucket.

M135 also I only use occasionally for spot removal of stubborn dirt marks or when I see light water spots had started to form AFTER A PROPER WASH. Like I said before, M135/Ultimate Quick Detailer is loaded with solvent and it cleans these type of contaminant really really well. But again, mind you, it could also strip or weaken the existing wax/sealant.

For Ultimate Quick Wax...now...this one is a good topper, and also use it AFTER WASH.

And here's my suggestion. If you were to start with one product, I would suggest you get the D156 first. Very rarely that you would need to do a round of QD after a good wash unless there's something wrong with your washing. And also a QD won't be able to do much on the appearance side. D156 would be more suited and meaningful to use after a wash, to top up the protection and amp up the gloss. To tell you the truth, before I have the glass coat on my ride(s), I use to top up with one form of spray wax or another *almost* after every wash

And do consider using Optimum No Rinse or DG Rinseless Wash (these two are locally available) if you decide to do those 'in-between wash' cleaning instead of using a QD. They cleans better and *maybe* safer as these were meant to be use as a light wash instead of just for *light* clean up.

This is my setup. I bought the foam lance attachment online from Autobrite quite a few years back (plastic bottle included but not attached in the pic taken).

Can't remember...too long of a time ago....

Hyper-wash is AKA ?? in consumer product ?

Here is my guess:
D111 Shampoo Plus aka NXT Car Wash OR Utimate Wash and Wax
M62 Car Wash Shampoo & Conditioner aka Gold Class wash
D110 Hyper Wash aka ... maybe Deep Crystal Car Wash??

The above is just my guess. Need sifu to correct me if I'm wrong..