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post Feb 24 2017, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(bonedragon @ Feb 24 2017, 06:52 PM)
Hi guys given some of the more popular exchanges can't do myr transactions anymore, what service do you guys use to trade bitcoin in myr?
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I'm using localbitcoins and remitano.

Wow! Dramatic drop! Looks like quite stormy at the peak.

Managed to pickup some at RM 5100. rclxms.gif
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post Feb 27 2017, 10:37 AM

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Didn't managed to get some Bitcoins last weekend when it was low. sad.gif looks like on the uptrend again.....

Was doing some research on ant miners.... so difficult to get these "critters" biggrin.gif in Malaysia. Anybody doing mining?
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post Feb 27 2017, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(wengherng @ Feb 27 2017, 04:37 PM)
Still two weeks till 11th March.
I believe we will still be seeing quite volatile price swings in bitcoin until then.
At the moment, I'm still undecided whether to buy more bitcoins before then, or buy Ether.
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Yeah, looks like it. I'm holding back some bullets too. See how's the trend.

Ether? Going to check it out! tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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post Feb 27 2017, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(sirxl @ Feb 27 2017, 07:04 PM)
there are a few mining groups in telegram.
most of the guys are in telegram.
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Shucks. I don't even know what is telegram. Had to google for it. sweat.gif

QUOTE(effectz @ Feb 27 2017, 10:55 PM)
I wonder if self mining is worth it. I do cloud mining since June last year. Now en route to break even.

Genesis Mining

How do I know it's not a scam?

Bitcointalk ponzi risk assessment
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Can you give an idea of the expenditure involved and the profits generated? E.g. how much paid, what package did you choose, how much are you getting, etc. Thx.
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post Feb 28 2017, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(wengherng @ Feb 28 2017, 02:00 AM)
Have been looking at Ether for months now, and positively kicking my own arse for not getting in sooner.
Was actually looking at getting in around end December 2016, but decided to get more bitcoins at the last minute.
Turns out, that was precisely the time of the lowest point of the Ether dip (around Christmas time), and it has rebounded nearly 100% as of today.
Can you imagine my feeling right now......  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  had I followed my gut feeling, I could have made 100% profit in two months...!!!
But it's gone up so fast now, I'm not sure if it's the beginning of a bubble......I believe the pace is just unsustainable.
Although, for the long term, I still think that Ethereum will be here to stay, considering the advantages it brings to the financial world of the 21st century.
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If it is going up much much more, I think 100% is peanuts. wink.gif

Damn, I just can't decide whether to get other crytocurrencies or not. I was actually only aiming for one high-risk investment.

Which exchange would be good to buy ethereum? At least, I can use BTC to buy ethereum. Then comes the problem of cold storage which my yet to arrive Trezor wallet doesn't support. sad.gif

BTC at RM 5324!
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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Feb 28 2017, 09:52 AM)
Remember not to buy BTC at peak if you're looking for short term trading. Expecting it to fall back to 4700+- before shooting up again
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Why the expected drop? hmm.gif

QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Feb 28 2017, 09:56 AM)
If you're looking to exchange your btc quick for eth, just use shapeshift, quick easy no hassle. If you're looking to buy and trade multiple crypto you could try poloniex exchange.

as for hardware wallets, you might want to try Ledger nano S it supports multiple cryptos.
I personally prefer paper wallets generated offline and have not used any sort of hardware wallet before.
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Thx for the info. I already ordered Trezor. Wait I become millionaire when BTC shoots up then I will buy Ledger. biggrin.gif

Oh, new thing to me - paper wallets??!!?? Had to google it. Interesting concept.....
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post Feb 28 2017, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Feb 28 2017, 11:25 AM)
Well, its bitcoin. Many TA indicators suggest that BTC will be from time to time, prone to huge fluctuations in a short period of time. Just about 4 days ago, bitcoin shed over $110 USD in a span of 15 minutes. But recovered quickly. Same thing in the start of 2017, reaching over $1k USD before plummeting to $750+-
Be fearful when everyone is greedy and be greedy when everyone else is fearful smile.gif

To me personally, paper wallets are secure in terms of cyber security, but you are prone to physical factors like losing your paper, damage by water/fire etc.
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I see. Many things to learn. Hope not too late to join the bandwagon especially newer crytocurrencies.

Just learnt paper wallet from you. Still need to do some research to see whether viable for me or not. Maybe print out many copies and hide everywhere..... biggrin.gif

Which crytocurrencies are you investing in?

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post Feb 28 2017, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Feb 28 2017, 01:51 PM)
I too, have many things to learn. Well, there's no perfect timing. The perfect time to buy was years ago, the second best time is now. $1000USD/BTC now is like $1 USD/BTC in Apr 2011. Not persuading you to buy, but just an example. No one knows what the price will be in the future.

Most of my holdings are still BTC, but i do have ETH, STEEM, BBR, DASH, XMR, PASC, XRP and some others. Try poloniex.com you'll see a variety of altcoins in the market.

Hope I helped  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Helps a lot. I'm 2 weeks old in crytocurrencies. biggrin.gif Bought a bit of bitcoins but got scared after it went up dramatically the past 2 weeks. That's why thinking of whether to get other types of crytocurrencies. Will check out poloniex.

So I guess your crytocurrencies are kept in paper wallet?

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post Feb 28 2017, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(TheConqueror @ Feb 28 2017, 03:08 PM)
Dear Sifus,
May I know how to sell at Remitano?
Can give some step to step guide ah?

Thanks. notworthy.gif
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I'm using Remitano but so far never sold any.

QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Feb 28 2017, 05:46 PM)
My altcoins are on poloniex exchange, I don't hold them long term sad.gif only long term on btc.
I held and sold most of them when alphabay announce their support for monero. Right now i don't have much, but not selling it just yet. DASH and XMR just seems much superior to BTC on paper, expecting them to one day surpass BTC, but definitely not in the near future smile.gif
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I see. Hmmm.... searched on hardware wallet and not many hardware supports such variety of crytocurrencies. Maybe in the future they will make one. In the meantime, looks like if I buy some, probably just have to keep on the exchange or online.

Noticed another thing. Would be easy to buy other crytocurrencies without using MYR directly as I think not many exchanges deal in MYR? Just buy bitcoins using MYR and use bitcoins to buy others. I don't see any disadvantages to this, is there? hmm.gif

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post Mar 1 2017, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Mar 1 2017, 09:30 AM)
Hardware support for altcoins are scarce. My advice to you is keep your BTC yourself, don't leave it on an exchange or online wallet as it is one of the most dangerous way to hold your BTC long term. The whole idea of BTC is to eliminate third party (i.e bank/financial institution) to hold your money for you. And if anything bad happens to the third party (insolvency/hacked), your BTC will be gone. There's no PIDM to help you reimburse your losses.
DASH has a much faster confirmation time (2-3 mins), and if you pay a higher fee you can use Instant Send for instant confirmation. They have a structured distribution to fund the ecosystem (45%-miners)(45%-masternodes)(10%-infrastructure). That's just an example, for me DASH is still highly undervalued based on their market cap.
http://bitcoinist.com/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-dash/
Despite the facts that are brought up here, I still don't hold much DASH. But there will be a time in the future where I'll exchange most of my BTC to other altcoin like DASH.

As for XMR, its more catered to those who value anonymity and privacy. BTC is only pseudonymous, not anonymous, which might be one of the main reason the price will soar much higher that it is now.
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Yeah, bought Trezor hardware wallet but had to backorder. No news of delivery yet. Oh, so other crytocurrencies besides bitcoin is termed as "altcoins". Cool.

Unfortunately, all those altcoins that you guys recommend, e.g. Ethereum, Dash, monero has been going up for the past 2-3 months. I'm late as ever!!! bangwall.gif

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post Mar 1 2017, 05:28 PM

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Just bought some altcoins using bitcoins on Poloniex - ETH and FCT. Wanted to buy XMR but the website became very slow, can't even do anything. I don't have any strategy but I'm thinking I will just buy 100 of selected/recommended altcoins and keep in cold storage..... rclxub.gif

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post Mar 2 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 1 2017, 11:27 PM)
Congratulations on starting your exciting journey in cryptocurrency!
I won't comment on your decisions, but I'd still strongly recommend you to arm yourself with knowledge of the basics of cryptocurrency, its philosophy and concept, as well as the basic differences between the various altcoins.
I'm a strong believer in having an investment objective and educating oneself first, no matter what kind of investment vehicle.
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Good advice that everybody should follow. However, I just don't have the time to go into the details. I used to be a safe investor, something like 80% low-risk instruments and 20% low-moderate risk (never did count the percentages actually). Now with crytocurrencies, I'm probably aiming, say, a maximum of up to 10% of the total so I guess I'm still safe smile.gif

As I consider this a high risk high return investment, I'm going all the way, considering the fact that the potential for Bitcoins and altcoins to shoot to the moon. I'm not looking at 10, 20 or even 100% gain, mainly because this man-made craziness can give 4 to 5 digits gains in terms of percentages. Or another way I'm looking at this, If I consider this investment as x ringgit, I'm prepared to lose the 1x so that I can maybe get 10x. Gambling? Only time will tell.

Of course, that's just me. Those reading this please don't follow me or this man-made craziness. I still have my 90% investments that is probably very safe. Everybody should have their own strategy and should heed the advices given by our experienced investors here! smile.gif

QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 2 2017, 10:06 AM)
Sold off some BTC yesterday late afternoon.
Set an automatic limit in the exchange, and left office to go for dinner.
Sale was confirmed right before the sudden run up around 9pm.
Absolutely kicking myself right now.
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If you can afford not getting any profit or even losing some, why not go all the way! wink.gif
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post Mar 2 2017, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Mar 2 2017, 07:35 PM)
The thing about this is that there are no insurance/protection against theft or hacks, no one will reimburse you if any funds are lost, unlike PIDM. So only put in what you're willing to lose for, because one day you might lose 100% of your funds and no one will be responsible but yourself.
So only put in what you're willing to lose for.
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True. Security is a concern especially when there is no cold storage available.

Bitcoin surged past RM5,500...... rclxub.gif

One thing I find very convenient is that if I want to buy altcoins, I just buy bitcoin at whatever price, transfer to poloniex, then buy altcoins. With this method, it doesn't matter what the price of bitcoin is and I don't have to worry about the exchanges not accepting MYR. Of course, there is the premium that have to be paid when buying bitcoins in exchanges.....

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post Mar 3 2017, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 2 2017, 11:33 PM)
Actually I not only use bitcoin for long term investment, but also as it was actually meant to be used, i.e. as a mode of currency transfer. I needed to transfer money from offshore account back to Malaysia, so I bought BTC using the offshore account, and transferred it to my Malaysian exchange, then sold it off to get MYR.
Pretty convenient, sold it yesterday night, got my money in my Maybank account this afternoon.
I get a much better exchange rate if I were to compare with normal TT.

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Yeah, I can't believe how easy it is to do cross-border transactions using different currencies. With bitcoins, it opens up endless possibilities. When I was into stocks a few years ago, it was so difficult to start trading overseas stocks that I never got the chance to do it. Now with bitcoins, I can just use any bitcoin/altcoin exchanges anywhere in the world. Borderless and not limited by MYR!!!!! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Mar 2 2017, 11:42 PM)
Yes, poloniex is convenient if you're not looking to withdraw your altcoins. You're just holding those altcoin on poloniex's balance sheet, you have the right to the altcoins but ultimately they are holding it on your behalf. Counterparty risk there.

However, if you're looking to buy altcoins and hold it in your own wallet, ShapeShift would be your best bet!

Good luck on trading. Remember, don't get emotionally tied to the volatility, don't buy peak and sell at dip!
buy the dip and sell the peak smile.gif
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Thanx for the info. I need to look into Shapeshift and it's wallet.

For bitcoins/altcoins, my aim is to accumulate. Not planning to trade. smile.gif

QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 2 2017, 11:45 PM)
Personally, I've not used Poloniex yet, but please beware of the maker/taker fees and the withdrawal fees, if any.
Those can easily eat into your profits.
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Yeah, did notice the maker/taker fees. As my aim (hopefully) is BIG gains, the fees will not be an issue.

At the moment, I bought some DASH, XMR, XRP, FCT.

Any other recommendations? Next time if I become millionaire through this man-made craziness, I will belanja you makan. Of course, if crash, can only belanja "air kosong with ais". biggrin.gif
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post Mar 4 2017, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 3 2017, 11:33 PM)
The recent pump and dump of cryptocurrencies is kind of annoying to me.
DASH rose 100% in 2 days, only to lose more than 20% of it within the last 24 hours.
Several other altcoins have been experiencing the same trend, albeit on a lesser scale.
None of these were really backed by actual fundamentals; just pure speculation by the masses, pump and dump.
Makes it difficult if you are really trying to use the altcoin for something legit; so hopefully this does not happen to bitcoin or ether.
On the other hand, I understand that it's been a money-making party for day traders over the last 72 hours.
I guess that's just not my cup of tea.
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Yeah, it is human nature/greed to basically speculate on anything they can get their hands on. Stocks, commodities, forex and now bitcoins/altcoins. Not my cup of tea either as speculation can go either way unless you have insider info.

QUOTE(jun6065168 @ Mar 3 2017, 11:56 PM)
Are there any reliable MYR to ETH online exchange?
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Not sure but I use bitcoins to buy ETH. That's the beauty of bitcoin at the moment since it is the most well-accepted crytocurrency currently and there are a few peer-to-peer exchanges that allows MYR. Say you want to buy RM 1,000 worth of ETH. Just use any of those exchanges to buy RM1,000 worth of bitcoins. Once bought, just transfer bitcoins to the exchange that deals ETH and buy using bitcoins. The other good thing is that it doesn't matter how much bitcoin is worth at that point of time as you are only buying what MYR amount you want.

One disadvantage of this method is the premium or fees involved. You many need to pay a premium or fee when buying bitcoins. However, I find I can get a good price on bitcoin on remitano peer-to-peer exchange. You just have to wait for the right person to come online and advertise their bitcoins price. At certain times, I could buy bitcoins without any premium or even slightly lower than the spot bitcoin price!!!! There are also transfer fees from one exchange to another and buying fees when you buy ETH. I guess if the fees are important to you, you would need to calculate how much fees are involved in total if you want to use this method.

Oh ya, using bitcoins, you basically can buy whatever type of cryotocurrency you want! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 4 2017, 01:06 AM)
Exchange for direct MYR/ETH transactions, I don't think so, at least I've not heard of one yet.
It might be possible with P2P platforms like Localbitcoins and Remitano, I'm not too sure.
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Nope. Localbitcoins and Remitano deals only with bitcoins.

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QUOTE(barry @ Mar 6 2017, 11:36 AM)
I am very keen to set aside some of my savings into Bitcoins having little faith in fiat currencies. I have put some money in gold but I realize that Bitcoins and silver are not to be overlooked.

I would really love it if someone can help me towards buying my first BTC . Please pm me and I will be most appreciative.
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Barry, I'm not too sure whether this is the right time to enter bitcoins. The main reason is that by 11th March, SEC will have to decide whether bitcoin ETF is a go or not. There are two predictions on what will happen. If the ETF is approved, it is estimated that maybe 300 million (if not mistaken) will be available to pour into bitcoin, making the price of bitcoin shoot up. How high it can go in the medium and long term remains to be seen, estimated from USD 2,000/BTC to USD 10,000/BTC to even 1,000,000/BTC!!! rclxub.gif Do remember that these estimates are unsubstantiated rumours/prediction that only time will tell. On the other hand, if the ETF is not approved, it is predicted that there will be some correction as recent surge in bitcoin value is probably secondary to the hope that bitcoin ETF will be approved. How much correction is anybody's guess but it probably won't be much as there are actually 3 ETFs awaiting SEC approval. Besides the 11th March ETF dateline, there's also the 30th March ETF dateline. I don't know about the last ETF dateline though. Of course, like the dotcom bubble, one may never know if bitcoin will eventually crash to the ground.

If you are still serious in buying some bitcoins now, we can help you get started. I'm only 3 weeks old in crytocurrencies but have been buying some bitcoins and altcoins. Of course, we have some sifus here who are, well, sifus in crytocurrencies! thumbup.gif

A word of advice from our sifus. Do know what you're getting into and do your own research. You don't want to lose your hard-earn money on cryptocurrencies which I consider a high-risk (but high-return) investment. wink.gif

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QUOTE(barry @ Mar 6 2017, 08:42 PM)
Thanks for the info kmarc. I am wondering this BTC thing may be a good way of taking money out the country. My son and daughter will likely be going to UK and US respectively - wonder if it is a convenient way of sending them money at the same time potentially hedging against our ringgit
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That's the beauty of cryotocurrencies! Convenient without conversion rate with minimal charges. However, I won't be the best person to ask this as I'm buying for investment. I have not sold any bitcoin yet. wink.gif

QUOTE(sirxl @ Mar 6 2017, 08:47 PM)
better not publish your cell number here.
I have seen a lot of scammers using a newbie's personal information to commit crimes.
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You quoted his phone number. How's he going to delete it? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(archangel22 @ Mar 6 2017, 09:57 PM)
Yes the convenient conversion and appreciation in value makes it so attractive, at least for me.

Waiting for more bitcoin ATMs, so perhaps I dont have to go to currency exchanges anymore, everytime I wanna go travel overseas.

I'll def try it when I go Sg or japan. smile.gif
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Oh, I hope to see a bitcoin ATM one day. Still don't fully understand the whole bitcoin infrastructure.


QUOTE(WooTz @ Mar 7 2017, 08:43 AM)
Antpool is now on board with BU, exciting times ahead.

I might diversify into BTC once the fork went through without a hitch, good luck to all, core wouldn't take this lying down for sure.
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Damn. I googled your keywords and I can't make head or tails what they were discussing about. Mind to share in layman terms especially why it is exciting?
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QUOTE(WooTz @ Mar 7 2017, 11:52 AM)
The blocksize stalemate finally gets resolved, no more clogged mempool and high fees. The network will fork into two once they achieve majority in hashpower.

all current BTC holder will get two coins, the majority BTC and core BTC.

Fork will happen once they hit 51%

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Oh, meaning bitcoin will become something like ethereum and ethereum classic? What's the implication on the value of existing BTC, implication for current BTC holders and the future of BTC?

I guess we should follow the "upgraded" BTC rather than core BTC?

QUOTE(jack2 @ Mar 7 2017, 12:18 PM)
So happy.. my BTC sell quote at MYR5730 was success!
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Congrats! You used Xbit Asia?

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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 7 2017, 12:29 PM)
To understand this, you need to have a basic understanding of the fundamental differences between Bitcoin Core, Unlimited and Classic.
This website gives a very basic explanation of the differences:

https://www.crushthestreet.com/articles/dig...hats-difference

If no consensus is reached in the near future, the whole bitcoin system could be choked to a point that makes transactions impractical/impossible, and then there could be no other choice than to implement a hard fork (complete split into two or more separate individual systems), which nobody really wants to happen.
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Oh thx. Will read the link later on.

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