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post Aug 13 2014, 10:57 PM

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The founders of Collective Health, a Silicon Valley startup, say they can help employers save money by self-insuring rather than paying premiums to a health insurance company.

Collective Health has developed software to help companies pay workers' health costs directly. Collective Health describes its "sweet spot" as companies with a few hundred or a few thousand employees, typically in the tech sector.

"Insurance providers make money by overpricing risk and underpaying care," said Collective Health's chief executive officer Ali Diab, whose previous company AdMob was acquired by Google Inc.

Self-insurance arrangements are increasingly commonplace among larger employers, although it is difficult to know how many firms have made the transition. In the wake of the Affordable Care Act, self-insurance has also become an attractive option for mid-sized companies.

Collective Health, which competes with actuarial consulting firms such as Milliman, claims its differentiating factor is its focus on user experience and design. Collective Health's three actuaries assess how much companies are likely to save each year by switching to a self-insurance model based on medical claims data.

Once Collective Health has transitioned the company to a self-insurance model — at no additional cost, it claims — human resources managers use a dashboard to track employees' health and benefits. Coordinators can set up experiments to see if a new benefit, like a healthy meal plan or standing desk option, is making a difference on overall health and wellness.

Employers can work closely with Collective Health to set up flexible plans and cover unusual benefits like fertility treatment or acupuncture. Diab describes this as a competitive advantage in the war for talent that is raging in Silicon Valley.

To alleviate huge costs from unexpected claims, employers sign up for a special type of "stop loss" insurance. Collective Health says it will help customers locate the optimal policy.

The self-insurance trend may be growing, but it is not without its critics.

Advocates of self-funding such as Collective Health claim that companies can save 20% to 25%. However, some experts have warned that savings are typically far less.

In addition, insurance regulators fear that commercial insurers and the insurance exchange will be left with large numbers of older, sicker people.

Young companies, flocking to self-insurance, are known for hiring twentysomething, healthy employees. In Silicon Valley, recently published diversity reports from firms such as Twitter Inc demonstrate that employees are also disproportionately male.

Collective Health declined to name its customers.

Diab started the company in 2013 after he recovered from an emergency surgery. Diab said he faced mountains of paperwork from his insurance company, which had declined to pay for some of his surgical and hospital charges.

He set up Collective Health alongside cofounder Rajaie Batniji, a Stanford University-trained physician. The pair raised a first round of funding from a handful of Silicon Valley venture firms, including Founders Fund and the Social+Capital Partnership.

The company is currently enrolling companies for a coverage start date of January 2015.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Aug 10 2014, 07:09 PM)
You may want to understand that out of the 36 critical illness, a lot of them would require hospitalisation for treatment, which makes it that, you will be covered under company insurance. or there will be cases like parkinson and alzheimer, which would be too far gone. i'm sure it's not as straight forward to cover a foreigner especially health related insurance. so i guess the real question is really how much will that insurance will remotely beneficial to you, especially when you purchase in another country.

It is known to those in the industry that Allianz medical insurance is somewhat cheaper than their competitors, not sure if that applies to CI insurance as well as well

there are CI standalone plans, but one would need to get it from a General insurance company. or there's something known as Ceria Malaysia, easily purchasable through certain banks (i.e. CIMB, AmBank, HLB). You may google that.
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Hi, want to ask i just notice in my insurance application form i made some mistakes in ticking.Like the religion & marital status i accidentally tick the wrong box. Will this be a problem when i need to use my insurance card if i get hospitalize???

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post Aug 14 2014, 04:45 PM

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Hey guys,, I just started working (uni grad) and I'm thinking of buying life insurance with medical card for myself. I researched every where on the website (lazy calling up insurance companies as they are long-winded) and I found out there is this type of insurance call investment linked where you basically invest in unit trust?
Can anyone tell me if this is a good choice or should I go for the normal life insurance where you pay premium and you get guaranteed sum assured?

I will be grateful for your comments. Thank you smile.gif!
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post Aug 14 2014, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(xPomegranate @ Aug 14 2014, 04:45 PM)
Hey guys,, I just started working (uni grad) and I'm thinking of buying life insurance with medical card for myself. I researched every where on the website (lazy calling up insurance companies as they are long-winded) and I found out there is this type of insurance call investment linked where you basically invest in unit trust?
Can anyone tell me if this is a good choice or should I go for the normal life insurance where you pay premium and you get guaranteed sum assured?

I will be grateful for your comments. Thank you smile.gif!
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I've had that problem too, its quite confusing how ILP works. rclxub.gif

For some intro of it:

http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/T...Insurance-Agent

Its all depends on your risk profile, if you are a risk adverse person then go for traditional.


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post Aug 14 2014, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(YXXX789 @ Aug 14 2014, 05:38 PM)
I've had that problem too, its quite confusing how ILP works. rclxub.gif

For some intro of it:

http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/T...Insurance-Agent

Its all depends on your risk profile, if you are a risk adverse person then go for traditional.
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Just some info about Investment Link Plan (ILP)

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Hi, want to ask i just notice in my insurance application form i made some mistakes in ticking.Like the religion & marital status i accidentally tick the wrong box. Will this be a problem when i need to use my insurance card if i get hospitalize???
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No it will not. You can get those corrected easily. Just call your servicing agent.
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post Aug 14 2014, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(xPomegranate @ Aug 14 2014, 04:45 PM)
Hey guys,, I just started working (uni grad) and I'm thinking of buying life insurance with medical card for myself. I researched every where on the website (lazy calling up insurance companies as they are long-winded) and I found out there is this type of insurance call investment linked where you basically invest in unit trust?
Can anyone tell me if this is a good choice or should I go for the normal life insurance where you pay premium and you get guaranteed sum assured?

I will be grateful for your comments. Thank you smile.gif!
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Personal preference, i don't like ILP. i rather do my own investment. my own policy is a traditional plan. because i only really need health related insurance, don't think life insurance is necessary to me as well.

in a simple way of defining it, ILP is like unit trust but every month the money from the 'unit trust' will be taken out to pay for insurance charges or cost of insurance.

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Aug 14 2014, 07:52 PM)
in a simple way of defining it, ILP is like unit trust but every month the money from the 'unit trust' will be taken out to pay for insurance charges or cost of insurance.
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Just minimze the UT portion and max out the insurance portion as easy as that.
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QUOTE(YXXX789 @ Aug 14 2014, 05:38 PM)
I've had that problem too, its quite confusing how ILP works. rclxub.gif

For some intro of it:

http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/T...Insurance-Agent

Its all depends on your risk profile, if you are a risk adverse person then go for traditional.
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Thanks for the advise. Read the article about it and the sound of having my insurance policy to relapse, is something I wanna avoid.


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post Aug 15 2014, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Aug 14 2014, 07:52 PM)
Personal preference, i don't like ILP. i rather do my own investment. my own policy is a traditional plan. because i only really need health related insurance, don't think life insurance is necessary to me as well.

in a simple way of defining it, ILP is like unit trust but every month the money from the 'unit trust' will be taken out to pay for insurance charges or cost of insurance.
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You have a point there. If the returns turned out not as good as i think it is and if i wanna back out, i have to cancel the investment together with my insurance policy.
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post Aug 15 2014, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 15 2014, 10:59 AM)
Just minimze the UT portion and max out the insurance portion as easy as that.
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isnt that kinda defeat the whole purpose of ILP ? and I dont really need such a big amount of sum assured.
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QUOTE(xPomegranate @ Aug 15 2014, 11:49 AM)
isnt that kinda defeat the whole purpose of ILP ? and I dont really need such a big amount of sum assured.
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wat do u mean by defeat?
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post Aug 15 2014, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Aug 12 2014, 11:18 PM)
Just something to add-on about medical plan which should apply the same to Axa SCO.

Generally when we upgrade or change plan for medical, it will require for health declaration and may apply the 120 days cooling period rules again. Mean provided we are still in good health then only can change any plan as we wish.

Sometime we too focus about the cost until we forget the main reason of we getting insurance and medical insurance only for a strong and healthy individual. My dad had diabetes in late 30s, so basically no more medical insurance for my dad.  cry.gif
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are you in this business? i am always worried if the insurance firm will pay or not when the time comes.
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QUOTE(kohshun @ Aug 15 2014, 12:18 PM)
are you in this business?  i am always worried if the insurance firm will pay or not when the time comes.
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Yes, you can get more info as the link below.

In insurance, the insurance policy is a contract (generally a standard form contract) between the insurer and the insured, known as the policyholder, which determines the claims which the insurer is legally required to pay. In exchange for an initial payment, known as the premium, the insurer promises to pay for loss caused by perils covered under the policy language.

Mean as long the policy not lapse, all material facts such as medical condition disclosed & no violation of the policy. Insurance company must pay the sum insured or the medical fees as the policy. Else insurer can sue insurance company.

Everything is black and white (contract) written in the policy, individual just need to understand the coverage and exclusion of the policy.

Of cause it is agent responsible to educate & explain the plan and policy to his/her client. Insurance is regulated by LIAM (Life Insurance Association Malayisa) http://www.liam.org.my/
You can get more insurance info at www.insuranceinfo.com.my
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post Aug 15 2014, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 15 2014, 12:00 PM)
wat do u mean by defeat?
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Well, from what I understand is that ILP enable to invest in unit trust and if we are only minimizing UT portions, the returns wont be high and there is a possibility the cash value will not be able to cover my insurance charges which lead to the policy relapse. Correct me if I'm wrong sweat.gif
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QUOTE(xPomegranate @ Aug 15 2014, 04:06 PM)
Well, from what I understand is that ILP enable to invest in unit trust and if we are only minimizing UT portions, the returns wont be high and there is a possibility the cash value will not be able to cover my insurance charges which lead to the policy relapse. Correct me if I'm wrong  sweat.gif
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For someone doing his own research, you seem to be able to get a good grasp of it.

True, but under normal circumstances, people who makes regular premium payment would not face the problem of policy laspsation. then again, it defeats the purpose of ILP. after all, another selling point of ILP is that, they can take a break from paying premium (premium holiday).

might as well just get normal life insurance. they also have cash value. nod.gif


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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Aug 14 2014, 05:45 PM)
Just some info about Investment Link Plan (ILP)

ILP are comprehensive all-in-one insurance coverage
Comes with a personalized investment account for your potential investment returns
It’s easy and convenient to add extra coverage at anytime, to cover your changing needs and budgets.
You do not need to go through hassle of buying a new policy for these additional coverage. Just add on what you need to your existing policy.

Why Investment Linked Plan?
1. Transparency – Unlike the traditional policy such as whole life or endowment plan, an investment-linked policy reveals all your premium allocation clearly. This is what I call transparent policy – you can actually understand and see where your premium is used. Policy holder will receive a periodic statement that clearly and precisely lists all the premium allocation, relevant insurance charges, investment value and fund unit price. Insurer will get the investment-linked fund performance report annually.

2. Low insurance charges - For fresh graduates, age around 21-30, it is normal for them to seek their first insurance agent and also the first insurance policy. When you are young, insurance charges are very cheap. Investment-linked policy calculates the insurance charges based on your age. They use a mortality table and clearly provide the insurance charges table in the policy. This means you can purchase high coverage with low premium when you are still young. Sometimes, the premium is even lower than a term policy.

3. Flexibility – Once you get older, promoted, married, have kids, your protection needs eventually increase. When you retire, your kids are independent, your protection needs eventually decrease. Looking at this circumstances, investment-linked policy provides the flexibility to increase or reduce the premium, include or exclude certain coverage rider, supplementary benefits and sum assured. Put it simple, you can modify this policy whenever and however you want it to be.


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1. Huh, traditional insurance has no transparency? The bolded part is like saying traditional insurance has no transparency. rclxub.gif

2. Isn't insurance be it ILP or not, premium is low when young? I do not think this is exclusive for ILP

3. Can simply pay 3k this year, and then 1k next year, then 10k another year and change the coverage accordingly to each year premium?



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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Aug 14 2014, 07:06 PM)
No it will not. You can get those corrected easily. Just call your servicing agent.
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ok thanks that is a relive.. sweat.gif Bcs the person i bought insurance from no longer doing this things so a bit hard now...
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Aug 15 2014, 09:59 PM)
ok thanks that is a relive.. sweat.gif Bcs the person i bought insurance from no longer doing this things so a bit hard now...
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Go to the website of the insurance company and call the Customer Service. Alternatively you can also walked in to the counter to get it done.

You can also ask them to get you a new agent.

It would help if you tell us the insurance company that you are insured with. There are many agents here and I am sure they would be able to help you.
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Hello, regarding insurance i been reading around & i see in prudential policy after sign up if i am not wrong you will only be covered by the company after 3 months of sign up??? Means if you get any serious sickness before 3 month will you have to cover the full cost yourself???

2. Do other insurance company like Great Easter, etc. etc have the same 3 months policy??? Or is it longer or shorter???

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