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ExpZero
post Sep 29 2014, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Matilda C. @ Sep 26 2014, 10:15 AM)
Thanks for the list.

There are some maximum price shown at the end of the document. Does that mean if the panel hospital charges higher than the max price shown, Allianz medical card will not reimburse us? I thought as long as it's panel hospital, the insurance company should have reviewed their prices and approve accordingly, so they charge according to the regulation.
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QUOTE(almeizer @ Sep 26 2014, 10:24 AM)
You are right if the medical cost higher than the recognized and insurance company have the rights not to reimburse. However, this is not applicable for Allianz only. Most insurance company adopt the same (I bet).

If the hospital is panel, I think the charges should be reasonable and will be accepted by the insurance company. So nothing much to worry. Unless the hospital is not panel, then might have problem if the charges is high.
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Both of you are right. I've never seen a case where the hospital is panel and the hospital is charging higher than the MAA guideline. Basically when the joint agreement to be panel hospital, the pricing is actually is one of the important agenda to be discuss.

However, I've seen a doctor charging extra fee as because he is "dato", this is not claimable laugh.gif
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post Oct 5 2014, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(fearless_kiki @ Oct 5 2014, 11:31 AM)
Hi,

i need some advice on my current GE policies, i'm very very blur now, my agent in based east malaysia now, hard to get explanation/advice from him:

1st policy
Multicash Lion Endowment series 3, bought in 2006, it's a 30yr year, payment RM571.40 per annual.

Agent said i need to pay 15 years premium, then next 15 years paid by company. Money can be withdrawn after 30 years.

2nd policy:

bought from same agent
RM150 per month, bought in 2008

basic sum assured: RM100k

critical illness: RM60k.

in 2011, my classmate (also GE agent) come and bi po bi po ask me to change plan & change agent
IL150 -> SM150

cancelled Great Income Rider & Il health protector.

my classmate also told me to review policy every 3 years. Any advise on the plan?

on 2013 GE sent a letter stated that my benefits enhanced. I saw the letter also blur blur...

there is also investment link in the plan. Can i use the money there to pay my premium? And how?
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Hi,

Multicash lion endowment is saving plan, due to the fact the multicash having multiple selection of premium tenure and maturity tenure, I can't comment much without further information from you. Shall you would like to enquiry without your personal information exposed in public forum, you may pm me personally smile.gif

For your investment linked policy, you have purchased a new policy of Smart Medic and the 2013 letter probably telling you that if you are over your room&board, the co-insurance is capped at RM3,000 instead of unlimited, it's a good news actually.

Since your investment link policy is new, I don't encourage you to exercise "premium holiday" which means using your cash value to pay for your insurance chargers as this will make your future cash value greatly affected and may affect the sustainability of your investment link policy when you get older.

I'd recommend you to speak to your Great Eastern agent as he is the one that will most likely to know your detail. Besides that, I'd suggest you to register yourself in Great Eastern website to view your policy online. https://econnect-my.greateasternlife.com/eC...login/login.jsp . Besides this, you may also call to customer service officer at 1-300-1300-88 too. nod.gif
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post Oct 6 2014, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(fearless_kiki @ Oct 6 2014, 09:13 AM)
Thanks for the advice.

I wondered if there is any effect on the investment link because i changed plans from IL150 -> SM150. Sometimes agents did not tell you everything. Everything say halfway...

I'm not sure if my agent is still an agent or not... sweat.gif long time didn't call him. i saw the latest new year card is not his name. I better call him.

Previously i called call centre before, they only open during office hours, hard to get through. The staff did not understand when i told her about using investment to pay premium. doh.gif

I see your sig that you provide services for will? I'm interested to get one. can pm me the info? smile.gif
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Hi,

The insurance chargers from SM150 is definitely higher than ILHP150. However, you shouldn't be worry because if the illustration allowing you to top up, the projection is align with the Bank Negara Malaysia projection rules and it should be able to sustain in long run with full premium paid without "premium holiday".

It's always recommended to keep in touch with your agent, I have some agents who have left the insurance industry but they are still serving their client on goodwill basis out of their responsibility. Anyway, if they have left the industry, their Immediate Officer will be the one serving you, don't be shy to contact them as well smile.gif

Non-medical card call centre is only office hour to enquiry about insurance detail, medical card call centre is running 24/7 whole day long smile.gif

For your term of "investment to pay premium", it's actually called "premium holiday". Shall you stop the premium, your policy will automatically run on "premium holiday" without notifying customer service. I'd suggest you to register yourself online insurance portal at https://econnect-my.greateasternlife.com/eC...login/login.jsp to view your cash value and protection online. From there you will be able to view your cash value and make sure the cash value is enough to maintain your future insurance chargers based on your table of benefit in your policy and you will be able to view your policy anywhere anytime.
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post Oct 6 2014, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(fearless_kiki @ Oct 6 2014, 11:55 AM)
My classmate did told me that charges for SM150 is higher but coverage is better, it is more worth so i decided to charge. He also told me to review my policy every few years, need to change plan due to inflation.

but then he go on and po pek po pek kutuk my agent. Probably want me to change agent so he could earn my commission. Say my agent don't follow up my things la... say my agent at east m'sia, very mah fan, put useless things like Great Income Rider & Il health protector... He said those things not worth it, he count the amount for me...

I called my agent to change plan, ask him why he didn't recommend new plan, he said cause charges higher so he didn't recommend beforehand.

I ended up only change plan, no change agent.

If my agent no longer working i think i find someone from KL/selangor... easier to contact...
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New plan usually having the better benefit and higher chargers, agent suppose to acknowledge client about the benefit and chargers and it's up to client to decide whether taking it up or not nod.gif

Seem like both your agent have told you almost everything. Don't worry, they are good happy.gif

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post Oct 7 2014, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(a1075 @ Oct 6 2014, 06:27 PM)
Hi guys, this is a quotation i got from Allianz,

Age: 24
Non-smoker @ class 2

Basic life : RM80k

Critical illness: 42 early stage : RM40k
22 intermediate stage: RM80k
39 advanced stage: RM80
diabetes recovery RM16k
cancer recovery RM28

medical room: RM200
RM1m overall lifetime limit
renewable until age 91

premium waive: RM2400

Accident: RM80k

Investment: based on 3% - 8%

Premium: RM200 per month
Is it considered as a normal policy benefits for RM200 monthly?
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Yes, pretty standard. nod.gif

QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Oct 7 2014, 10:04 AM)
Damn.. link to this plan? Should have seen this earlier would save me Rm80/mo!
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Uhm, the plan you have purchased might not to too bad, just different company will have different strength over certain edge. Don't be too worry about it nod.gif

QUOTE(Matilda C. @ Oct 7 2014, 05:04 PM)
Hi, I have never heard of there is such plan providing annual limit RM990,000. Is it a new plan? Sounds very attractive! Does Prudential, AIA or other insurance companies offer annual limit RM990,000 and no life time limit and no co-insurance too?

Hope experts here can advise. thank you!
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From what I know Prudential is having annual limit waiver and you will be able to use Allianz lifetime limit in a year with 20% co-insurance without capping. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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post Oct 9 2014, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 8 2014, 10:02 PM)
Quotation 1:

a) 36 Critical Illness (some call it early pay, some call it in a more technical term, accelerated CI).
Comment: GE has early stage CI cover as well. maybe just the agent didn't put it in or not applicable to this plan, etc... will let the GE agent here elaborate

b) medical... it is unlimited lifetime limit la... if choi choi someone kena one hospital bill 800k each year, for 2 years, that 1.6mil still can be claimed. cause anything exceeding basic claim from the 'rider'

but if choi choi someone kena hospital bill 200k each year for 11 years, then yes, the basic medical card would have been exhausted after 10 years. then out of that 2.2mil, at the 11th year hospital bill of 200k, first 90k customer will bear, 110k company will bear.

ExpZero correct me if i'm wrong. i like to ascertain my understanding on this product which i find very interesting.

c) the premium waiver should not be on the child. no insurance sense at all. i think the premium waiver rightfully should still be on the father

Quotation 2:

a) Accident Medical Reimbursement of 2k is kinda low-ish. and redundant cause most likely medical cards will have emergency outpatient benefit as well. well, mine does

b) Accident death, disability, comment 1) & 2) below.

c) so i heard from ppl in the industry, allianz has the cheapest medical product. note, i'm referring to medical only, other products, i have no idea, maybe cheaper, same, expensive, really don't know.

d) also... 3k a year for a child's insurance seems like a lot of money. don't let agent scare you of kiasu about child's policy... doesn't need to cost that much

General comment...

1) you don't need 100k life insurance on a child's life... zero is ideal. maybe as low as possible. money only needed to cover funeral expense. remember, parents do not depend on child for income... a child has insurable interest in parent's life, but not vice versa.
2) worry about disability risk - there are riders that pays annual/monthly income amount upon disability (of the child)
3) my insurance gives only 600k lifetime limit. i'm not sure if it's enough... but the joke is... by the time you claim 2-3 annual limit (say annual limit around 100k) one might be on the verge of death... how much you can make use of anyway?
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a)Yes
b)Yes
c)Yes,

Q2
a)Yes
b)Yes
c)Depends, because COI for Allianz tend to revise every few years.
d)Yes

General Comment:
1)Yes
2)Yes
3)Yes, lifetime limit is a marketing gimmick in my opinion except for the usage of cancer treatment or kidney dialysis. Annual limit is the only one that we need to take care the most.

10/10 Good advise biggrin.gif

QUOTE(tonnychong @ Oct 8 2014, 11:36 PM)
Quotation 1 :

a) now a days I think every insurance company also got early stage CI cover but just different coverage. So why the agent didn't put it in this plan?
As I know, 25% of insured amount will pay out if diagnose early stage CI in G company, 30% in P company, 30% in Axx company, 50% in A company.

b) get info from other agent, if hospital bill 100K each year, 1st 90K is claim basic medical card then balance claim rider, after 11year the basic medical card lifetime limit already claim finish then rider also finish coz rider is depend on basic one. Correct me if wrong.

c) In common sense if father buy insurance for child then the premium waiver should be on the father. While we check that premium waive expiry date is 76 year but my friend already age 35. If premium waive cover father then cover till age 111(35+76)?. His child just age 4 so if premium waive cover child then cover till age 80 only? As we know premium waive normally cover til age 100 if not wrong. Thats why my friend confuse on that. Any agent here can explain this?

Quotation 2 :

a) yup, that medical card got outpatient accident emergency benefit on yearly limit RM 1.5k and Accident Medical Reimbursement of 2k is every accident per time limit.

On 3 general comment, very agree on you that we should got more annual limit like 200K, 500K rather than got more lifetime limit.
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Q1
a)Pecentage to claim could be very subjective. One company can give 90% claim upon diagnosis with early stage CI but with the same premium, you may buy triple of the coverage in another company. Everything is based on the mortality table or morbidity table. You may also count yourself whether worth it or not.

b)No, Smart Extender will still be there even the Basic medical card lifetime limit is expired as what adele123 said

c)The agent is attaching waiver on the child and made the term of the waiver until the child age 80, this is common practise in GE because GE medical card covers until age 80. However, I'm strongly recommend it to look into payor waiver instead of child waiver due to adele123 opinion mention above.

Q2
a)Most of the medical card do have such benefit.
b)The "very high" annual limit is not for current "usage". Over a millions annual limit is actually for us to hedge for the inflation and also buying the right of high annual limit medical card for future. Even a simple gastrocopy or h.pylori could make our medical card having an exclusion of gastric and also related illness arise from it.

That's one of the reason when we are ready up ourself with over a million of annual limit, we are pretty sure that we do not have to upgrade in the future and we would have a all-covered-medical card to accompany us until our retirement age. You don't want to upgrade your medical card every few years don't you? smile.gif
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post Oct 14 2014, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Oct 14 2014, 06:40 AM)
Got links to sample hospital bills from local hospitals? I'd like to take these bills as example and ask my insurance agent what exactly on these bills that I can claim and cannot claim.
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Please find the attach pictures for your perusal, all the personal information have been censored due to client confidentiality. smile.gif

For your information, this claim is fully claimed in Great Eastern.

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post Oct 14 2014, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 14 2014, 09:40 AM)
Hi there

I am a SME business owner....

thinking of purchasing endownment plan for my self.

problem is...

this is how it was done previously.

issue RM 100K as director fee OR increase monthly salary and input into personal.

then use personal name to purchase endownment

and plan for

using company to pay insurance company directly but endownment under personal name

or does some members here have any guess how to do?
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 14 2014, 10:52 AM)
CHEERS

on the contrary
would a personal endownment plan that matures is subjected to revenue declaration?
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I would suggest you to purchase it under monthly salary and input into personal, here is why.

If you are using director fee and the proposer under your company name, the premium paid would be the expenditure of your company. However, all the survival bonus/cash bonus will be under the "income" of your company and the maturity benefit is subject for declaration as "income of the company". This would incur a large sum of money when the maturity of death benefit kicks in. You can't do nomination and the nominee would be your proposal which is your company unless you absolute assign it to third party.

If you are purchasing it via your own name (either via additional monthly income or company as payor but not proposal), your may declare this endowment plan as "Benefit in kind" and the BIK is taxable under your own income tax. The proposer will be yourself and it is not taxable when maturity/death benefit kicks in. Furthermore, you may also name anyone you prefer as your nominee shall it purchase under your own name.
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post Oct 17 2014, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Oct 17 2014, 07:35 AM)
Thank you. Hmm, seems like the medical bill is not as expensive as I thought. I've always heard that medical bills can run up to hundreds of thousands. But looking at this long bill, it's less than 15k. So,... do we even need medical card coverage of RM200k and above?

What do you all think? What's a reasonable medical coverage for a person in mid 30s.
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Below is the detail of the illness
Days hospitalize: 6 Days 5 nights
Illness: A lady age 60+ after Menopause but suddenly vaginal was bleeding. It was later diagnose the cause is only Endometrial atrophy, which is not serious. Non 36 Critical Illness.
Surgery: No surgery involve for the 6 days period, only investigation for the cause of illness done by doctor.

Imagine 36 Critical Illness bill. A Cancer Chemotherapy alone caused few thousand for a session and not to mention it's a long term treatment. nod.gif
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post Nov 23 2014, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Matilda C. @ Nov 22 2014, 01:00 PM)
I just notice my early critical illness plan only will pay when survive 30 days after having the critical illness. what is the reason other than the typical waiting period, the insurance company add in this survive 30 days thing? Is it common among all insurance companies that we need to survive 30 days only can claim critical illness ? too many waiting periods. very confusing.  rclxub.gif
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Survival period is not common in insurance industry, it exist in minority of the companies, not every company impose them. Your definition of survival period is right, one need to be survive the illness for 30 days before can claim the said illness.

QUOTE(henshin7 @ Nov 22 2014, 02:02 PM)
Hi,

I'm new to this topic. Please advise.
1. Medical Card; is it enough 100k annual limit or should I opt for a highest plan of 200k?
2. Is women specific illness is really needed? I'm thinking of taking a cancer rider which include CIS gender specific instead of taking women rider. Is this ok?
3. For life insurance, for a new graduate like me who's income will increase in future,  is it recommended to take term life compared to investment linked? What I understand, term life is cheaper, but in investment linked,  you could increase your BSA  in the future.
Thanks.
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Hi Henshin,

1)RM100,000 of annual limit is definitely enough for current even for critical illness. However, it might not be enough for the future as inflation in medical field is as high as 5-10% per annum. Organ transplant is costing about RM300,000 currently and it's projected to double the value in the next 20 years. Great Eastern is having a medical card as high as RM990,000 with life and 36 critical illness protection and the premium is about RM200/month, which is very affordable.

2)I have understand that you are looking for a budget protection, then I'd suggest you to look at Early 36 Critical Illness as it's much more economic. However, there is definitely some extra protection giving in Lady rider but that shouldn't become priority in my opinion.

3)I'd suggest investment link if this is your first insurance plan as you will be able to purchase a comprehensive coverage including Life, Critical Illness medical card and etc under a single plan. Thus, your waiver will be able to protect your medical card and you don't have to pay for premium shall you have diagnose with critical illness/ TPD. If you already owned a medical card with waiver then you can look at term insurance for life coverage only to protect for your estate. The option to increase your BSA in future shouldn't be your concern at all as if you are healthy, I don't see much different of topping up in existing Investment linked plan vs buying additional term.

For the question of initial cost of ownership for Investment linked vs term, I don't think term is cheaper. In fact, ILP can quote in cheaper premium compare to term in some cases with same sum assured.
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post Nov 23 2014, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Nov 23 2014, 10:49 AM)
If you're gov servant, you may try cuepacscare,
a cheaper medical card for gov servant
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Listen to koinibler, the plan is really affordable at RM32/month. http://www.cuepacscare.my/manfaat.html


However, some of the points we should take into consideration since this is "private hospital medical card"
1)Annual limit is RM40,000 and per admission limit is RM20,000. This is sufficient in government hospital but might not sufficient in private hospital for simple surgery such as Laparoscopic Appendectomy already cost about RM15,000 in reputable hospital, not to mention inflation for the future cost and critical illness.
2)Kidney Dialysis and Cancer Chemotherapy is capping at RM2,000/month. Kidney dialysis might sufficient but Cancer Chemotherapy single treatment cost about RM5,000-RM10,000.
3)Pre-hospitalization and post-hospitalization is 30 days. Most illness will need post-hospitalization as high as 90days minimum.

Verdict: It is a very good alternative for personal insurance, but it might not efficient as normal private medical card as the limit is too low, you wouldn't dare to use the medical card in private hospital because you scare it might over the limit and you have to pay the leftover bill which is tremendously high. Example if the bill is RM25,000, you have to pay the left over of RM5,000. Nevertheless, the premium is really price at a very superb range of RM32/month, a good initiative from government. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Nov 25 2014, 02:55 AM)
currently im doing SI to pay my insurance (GE).. are they accept AMEX card?
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Nope, GE don't accept AMEX. But your Visa/Master can.
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post Dec 6 2014, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Dragonfly2014 @ Dec 3 2014, 10:14 PM)
Hi hi insurance sifu, I would like to get advise on difference on policy fee, stamp duti, and premium charges on below scenario.

A. 800k sum covered for dth, tpd, ci from single investment link policy
B. Each 400k sum covered for dth, tpd, ci from 2 difference investment link policies

I understand that policy fee is charge by policy, even total sum covered is same, but scenario B may have to pay double policy fee?
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2 policy fees for 2 policy. The rest should be the same unless the policy is giving Large Sum Assured Discount.

For your case, you need 2 policies to avoid Non-Medical Limit, or else you will have to go checkup for 800k sum assured.

QUOTE(Matilda C. @ Dec 5 2014, 01:39 PM)
Hi all insurance sifu,

I just got to know that one of my neighbour's relatives were in the MH17 plane. May I know which insurance companies in Malaysia provide claims due to terrorism? I would like to know for death, accidents or even medical claims.

Nowadays terrorism happens quite often, better to get one which covers it.

Hope all sifu can advise.
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Great Eastern do paid for the MH17 and MH370 client who bought life insurance with us. I'm quite sure the whole industry's insurance do pay for the MH17 and MH370 as goodwill basis, correct me if I'm wrong.

QUOTE(maxwelx64 @ Dec 5 2014, 02:01 PM)
I got another fren (agent) that try to persuade me to change to Allianz as they offer better medical coverage..
this make me confuse which 1 company is better in term of medical card... rclxub.gif
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In my opinion, your policy is not-too-bad, don't feel too disappointed and bombard your agent. biggrin.gif
Most of the insurance company's medical card is almost the same but we should look at annual limit as benchmark as this is the money that permitted to withdraw from my medical card annually. It works almost the same as credit card's credit limit.

These are my recommendation.
You might can cut off the huge Life/TPD to maybe RM100,000 because you are still single and do not have much financial obligation.
You might can cut out the hospitalization income of RM50/day as it doesn't help much.
You do not have to increase your medical card room&board, because shall you hospitalize, you can just top up your hospital room&board and pay the difference, there will be no penalty of increasing room&board in Great Eastern's Smart Medic Xtra. Annual limit is the most important element medical card, I strongly believe RM990,000 annual limit is sufficient for most surgery even after 30 years.
For example: You live in Prince court hospital for RM300/room for a week and your bill is RM500,000. Under your medical card, you only have to pay (RM300 - RM150) x 7 = RM1050 and your bill of RM500,000 will be paid by Great Eastern
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Maintain the waiver of TPD/36 Critical Illness, you do not want to seek for funding to pay for your insurance shall you really strike with 36 Critical Illness don't you? In my opinion, this is one of the most important rider as this rider makes the medical card use-able without premium from the day client have 36 Critical Illness until the patient pass away or medical card termination date.
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post Dec 16 2014, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Dragonfly2014 @ Dec 14 2014, 12:08 PM)
Hi hi insurance guru, may I ask what is the formulae on FMC, fund management charge?
Compare to the 3% sales charge on unit trust, FMC is so much higher, esp during late policy year.
As consumer, are u aware this charges in your ilp?
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As Sifu Adele123 said, all the fund have Fund Management charges be it Investment Linked Insurance plan or Unit trust plan. Basically it charge you a certain percentage, about 0.5% to the total value of fund value for the management fee. This fee is the "salary" for fund manager to keep an eye to buy and sell the investment in your fund.

QUOTE(Dragonfly2014 @ Dec 16 2014, 04:02 PM)
May I ask your expert opinion, normal 36ci and multiple ci, which one you will take?
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This is very depending on your personal risk tolerance level.
The severity of claims increase with the decreasing of Cost of Insurance, Death -> TPD -> 36 Critical Illness -> Early 36 Critical Illness -> Medical card -> Hospitalization benefit/PA(depend on severity/Accident reimbursement etc...

The lower level of severity you get, the deeper the coverage will be. Of course, the more expensive it will be. You need to ask yourself does you need the cash payout to lessen your burden shall "You lost one of your kidney"? Or you need financial support when "You lost both of your kidneys"?

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 14 2014, 12:33 PM)
I have a few questions. I heard from some people that there is a kind of insurance-investment.

Say you keep Rm100,000 with them, after 20 years, the money will become Rm1m.
1. What is this kind of thing call?
2. Is this some kind of insurance scam?
3. Also is it income tax deductable?
4. Do the insurance company really pay you after 20 years?

I am kind of hesistant when it comes to insurance as I heard insurance when they want your money, they are very nice and sweet to you. When you want to take money from them, they give all kinf of excuse. In the end, you cannot get back your money.
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There isn't any plan nor investment that able to generate such high return over 20 years.
This type of plan is called Endowment or it's more famous by the name of "Saving Insurance", It's however possible for endowment plan to give a return from RM100k to RM200k in a period of 20 year. It's not a scam, however endowment are more prone to mislead by agent by giving high return promise and not according to the official quotation. We should always refer to the official quotation before making any buying decision.

Endowment is tax-deductible under the RM6,000 Life + KWSP and the return of endowment are usually with both Guaranteed and Non-Guaranteed part. The company are obligated to pay you for the guaranteed part whereas for the non-guaranteed part, it's depend on the performance of the company.

QUOTE(Jenevis @ Dec 15 2014, 12:26 PM)
Hi everyone,

Would appreciate some insight into medical insurance I've been reading lately.

Been reading articles about how more n more people, especially from China mainland r buying medical insurance from Hong Kong insurance companies, because it seems that medical insurance companies in Hong Kong r the best in the world.

They maybe the same international companies, like ING, AXA, AIA...etc but their coverage, max payout n time needed for reimbursement is the highest n fastest in the world, as it is enforced by the Hong Kong government.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is: is this REALLY true?

Would like to hear what your thoughts r on this.

Thanks!
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I'm not sure how does China and Hong Kong's medical works, but there is no point for us to buy insurance from Singapore/Thailand as I do not think they have panel hospital in Malaysia.

QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Dec 15 2014, 11:00 PM)
every sifu here, what would be the main difference/ standout of prudential life vs. GE life? been about 2 years with GE, but recently the service agent quite disappointed me. Thought of switch to prudential
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No point to switch company just mainly due to agent, as you may lose for the unallocated premium you paid and you have to start the waiting period all over again.
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post Dec 16 2014, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(Dragonfly2014 @ Dec 16 2014, 12:44 AM)
Hi hi, would you pls advise what is a proper agent?
Any criteria to meet?
How the consumer will know if their agent is proper?
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We wouldn't know, it's like buying a stock. But a track record and the sustainability of the agent in insurance industry plays a very big role.

For example.
1)What's the future planning of the agent? Do the agent work as insurance agent as "cari makan" or as main career?
2)How long does this agent been working as agent?
3)What's the position of this agent in the company?
4)What kind of achievement this agent having?
5)Do this agent having own agency/office?

Some agent maybe in the industry for several years as part time but never achieve any outstanding achievement, the sustainability of the agent is questionable because as an agent, we need to spend a lot of time in our career including the time consuming Continuously Personal Development classes. When the time spent is not equivalent to the remuneration, most of the agent will choose to leave the industry. Furthermore, if an agent with high achievement servicing you, he is probably having more experience in claim because he may previously help many clients for claim.

Well, most of the clients are choosing insurance agent based ontheir convincing power biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alexooi17 @ Dec 19 2014, 01:06 PM)
Hi all sifu, I am new to insurance and I do not know what is the plan best suit my needs.
What I want to know is, is there any policy that cover 3rd party specialist that is not under hospital ?

I always do sports and I do have alot of sports injury. some 3rd party specialist will be able to treat the injuries without the needs to go under the knives and admit to hospital.

1)Will the insurance able to cover this cost ?

2) if i need to go for a MRI scan then may need to do an operation for the injuries, will insurance able to cover this as well ?

Will a normal medical card able to cover this ?

Thank you in advance.
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Hi,

Specialist that is not under hospital is reimbursement basis if they are not panel.

In your case, it's not claimable under medical card as medical card required admission. In order to claim for accidentally reimbursement, in Great Eastern, we are having Outpatient Accidental Reimbursement. You will be able to claim for non operation outpatient injury up to RM3,000. If there is any MRI scanned, the fee will be covered as well.
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QUOTE(patrickthissen @ Dec 22 2014, 12:07 AM)
Let say a person insurance premium is RM 200/ month

GST 200 * 0.06 = 12 ??
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GST chargeable to the rider and not premium. For example in your RM200, medical card cost of insurance is RM50, so RM50 x 6% = RM3 chargeable every month.

For your information, Medical and critical illness protection is subject to 6% GST.
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QUOTE(ragk @ Dec 23 2014, 03:58 PM)
Let say i have an insurance package with investment linked, is that possible that i only drooped the investment part to reduce the premium but keep the other like life insurance and medical card etc.
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It's possible, however I don't recommend on it because next year 6% GST will be impose on your cash value instead of additionally increase your premium. So, it's always better to set aside some healthy range of cash value to avoid policy lapse eventhough you paid premium on time biggrin.gif

QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 23 2014, 04:19 PM)
hmm.gif a friend of mine once told me that, he stopped putting in the scheduled investment premium, the policy was told to be still alive, as long as the monies he had put into the policy can still generate the $$ to cover the insurance charges...which is low. no idea which company that was....
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It's possible for all the insurance company for such arrangement if the interest earned is larger than the policy fee including Cost of Insurance. wink.gif
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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Jan 1 2015, 06:28 PM)
Happy New year everyone.

So I have some query on the following scenario:

Was with a GE agent today.
It all began after I told that i'm planning to buy a house in 3 years time.
He told me to get the GE SmartProtect Max (SPM) as he said that it provides a sum assured of 500k as life insurance. He said that it's very good rate for me to start paying premium now, and for the next 20 years, since this SPM has a coverage for 30 years with a low premium for my age of 26 years old.

At the same time, if i'm not mistaken, he's also mentioned that this SPM is rather flexible and somehow/has something related to MLTA, knowing the fact that eventually i need/will get this MLTA from the bank/insurance company once i begin my house loan.

So he was suggesting that I start this SPM plan earlier, as i will get life insurance + MLTA (in future) together.

My questions:
1. Is this an appropriate way, by merging life insurance with MLTA?
2. Do i need the life insurance? coz i'm planning to sign up for an ILP linked medical card from GE with sum assured of 200k.
3. What are the disadvantages of this SPM?

Many thanks.
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Hi,

MLTA stands for Mortgage Level Term Assurance, usually it is a Life insurance which covers you for a specific term and you are paying it yearly. SPM is an Investment linked- term assurance where it covers minimum RM500,000 of Life coverage for 30 years and moreover the premium payable term is 20 years only. In short, SPM works exactly the same with the traditional MLTA except it is a unit linked insurance.

To answer your questions.
1. There is no big different between MLTA and Life insurance, the only difference is MLTA is covering a pre-determined term be it 10 years, 20 years or 30 years, whereas "Life insurance" is a whole life coverage term.

MLTA or Life Insurance, when ones pass away, the insurance company is still paying the same amount. However, please take note that if you are buying MLTA from bank, it has a very big possibility that the bank required your policy to be absolute assigned to the bank. By absolute assign your policy to bank, basically you are giving all your right out and bank will be taking the money to pay for the loan as priority. Well, it doesn't sound so bad until your nominee might have other plan for the money such as your child education, living expenses etc... This can be easily fixed if you set aside another insurance fund for your beneficiary for those purposes.
2. Let's think of this way, do you think your next-of-kin need the RM500,000 shall you pass away? There is no point to buy an iphone without data plan, if you get my point.
3. The main disadvantage/advantage is the 30 years protection tenure, which is a double edge sword for MLTA. Which means, like it or not, the protection will be out by the end of tenure, which is 30 years later. This is because the main objective of MLTA is to protect your debt and mostly debts are up to 30 years, if you are looking for a whole life tenure, you should be buying life insurance policy.
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QUOTE(Dragonfly2014 @ Jan 24 2015, 03:41 PM)
Seriously?
If include wop and female ci?

Also what is mean by Level schedule top up from policy year 1 to 62?
The figure for level schedule top up is around 4k in quot, but the agent told annual premium is 7.5k.

The policy is 8 years old, now request for upgrade on sum covered for the same policy.
Shouldn't have unallocation premium right?
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QUOTE(Dragonfly2014 @ Jan 25 2015, 12:44 AM)
In my view, it should not have unallocated premium anymore for 8 years old policy, even on increment on premium.
I will further confirm.
Any other view?
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Female illnesses is different from 36 Critical Illness, in fact, it is primarily focused on the illness which usually female have higher percentage of diagnose with it. For example, SLE is not covered in 36 Critical Illness nor Early 36 Critical Illness which is more common to happen in female rather than and not to mention lumpectomy, mastectomy and hysterectomy. If budget is permitted, I would recommend you to protect yourself a minimum RM50,000 of female illnesses protection.

Back to your question, with RM7500 in Great Eastern Life you will be able to get
Life/TPD: RM500,000
36 Critical Illness: RM500,000
Lady benefit: RM70,000
Medical Card 150, Annual Limit RM990,000 and unlimited lifetime limit with no co-insurance or penalty for whatsoever room upgrade
Waiver of Premium for TPD/36 Critical Illness.

I wouldn't suggest you to maximize your premium into protection but rather set aside a little bit buffer instead. The reason is as per below.
1)Since Investment link is fund-linked policy, the unit price is volatile and you don't want to risk your protection of few hundred thousand lapse due to non-performing fund.
2)We have to take into consideration of revision of Medical pricing and also ad-hoc event such as GST. You don't want to receive letter from insurance company every few years to ask you for top up. If that's the case, shall you are slow in reply the letter and at the same time your fund value is depleted, you will be out of protection.
Purchasing insurance is for the sake of protection not cash value, we shouldn't fully utilize our premium without buffer and risk our policy to lapse, an extra RM10/20 per month wouldn't hurt as much as when you are out of protection at the time you needed it the most.

For the top up policy, the top up portion will have unallocated premium. For instance, if you have bought RM100/month policy 10 years ago and now you are upgrading it to RM1,000/month, a certain percentage of RM900/month will be unallocated premium for 6 years period.

QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 25 2015, 07:12 AM)
I know I have agree with Citibank to take their insurance. But this is too much

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Because since I have 3 citibank card (Shell, Clear and Ready Credit), they charge me 3 times! Any idea how to cancel 2 of it? Didn't receive letter from them bout the insurance...
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When you purchase it? You have 15 days full refund premium upon receive of your policy. You may call to their number to cancel it. 03-2383 0000 (KL) http://www.citibank.com.my/english/common/contact-us.htm

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