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conqu3ror
post May 27 2014, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 27 2014, 12:10 PM)
It all boils down to your affordability, as mentioned by wongmunkeong and the amount you are comfortable to pay. The insurance part can be done progressively as the income increases.

RM 5 per day may sound cheap, but for a fresh graduate who earns RM1500~RM2K, it is everything due to high costs of living. This is why when we sell insurance plans, we have to do proper fact finding.

Not to self praise, but there are times that even if the prospect wanted to buy more insurance, I told him NO laugh.gif , because based on your income, this is the budget that you should put in to insurance.

If you put too much you will have very little left for investments, or buy a property for stay, and later to get married, all those costs $$$.

BTW, even if you have RM1m medical insurance, if its time to go, its time to go. No one can play God. Steve Jobs can afford to buy hospitals, but when its time to go its time to go.  notworthy.gif
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No one can play God. We never know what happen next. Same to MH370, Jeju's Ferry, and karpal Singh.

As some said, if I died, then end of topic. Why worries and get an insurance to left the money to someone.

But what if the case, the person not die, then need someone to take care and heavy medical treatment. Think about the person loves one & families, his/her family will be the one suffer to take care the person and paid for the medical cost. (If still have argument, then I have nothing more to said, probably he/her totally alone in this world)

If a person can't even afford his/her daily meal, then better find a meal then insurance. But in Malaysia, job opportunity is everywhere, there is no excuse you can't feed yourself but you afford own an iPhone/smart phone.

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post Jun 1 2014, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jun 1 2014, 10:57 PM)
If the policy holder seeks treatment in Malaysia it is "As charged" up to the annual limit or lifetime limit.

However, if the policy holder receives medical treatment overseas, the benefits are paid according to the costs of treatment that would be reasonably charged by a hospital in Malaysia (of course it is also paid up to the annual & lifetime limit availability).

For example, if the heart bypass were to costs on average RM70K in Malaysia, we would only reimburse a RM70K even if the oversea's treatment were to costs SGD 100K.

No benefit is paid if the policy holder resides overseas for more than 90 days per trip. If the policy holder travels overseas > 90 days frequently, he may apply for "PRUmedic overseas" rider, available in PRUhealth.  brows.gif (but albeit with a higher premium  wink.gif )

Do note that overseas treatment is based on reimbursement basis as we do not have panel hospital in overseas. The reimbursement will also be in RM. It's only fair since your premium is paid in RM.
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I believe most the insurance companies are more or less the same, base on reasonably charged by hospital in Malaysia.

* Reasonable and Customary Charges based on Private HealthCare Facilities and Services (Private Hospitals and Other Private HealthCare Facilities) Regulation 2006 in Malaysia.

Some may complain if admit by medical card, it will be more expensive. But actually Insurance will follow the standard charge as the regulation and negotiate with the hospital if they over charge. (Insurance will also try to reduce the cost)
As a layman, we never know the standard charge which set by regulation. Hospital may just charge us as they like. (if the doctor know the patient rich and driving a Benz/BMW/Audi, sure his/her bill will higher then the patient next to he/her)

No benefit whatsoever shall be payable for any medical treatment received by the Life Assured outside Malaysia apart from Singapore and Brunei, if the Life Assured resides or travels outside Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei for more than ninety (90) consecutive days from the day the Life Assured leaves Malaysia.

Even the travel period 90 days will be the same. But Allianz also include those who work and resides in Singapore and Brunei. So they no need to travel back Malaysia every 90 days in order not to breach the 90 days benefit clause.
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post Jun 2 2014, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jun 2 2014, 08:44 PM)
Can see u very new
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u can ask unker roystevenung , he can tell u where to find
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I mean the standard medical charge set by Medical Regulation 2006 Malaysia. It is a very long list with lot of medical term and jargon. If any of the agent can tell those medical charge, he/she should have some medical background.

Not the COI (cost of insurance). shakehead.gif

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post Jun 3 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jun 3 2014, 04:28 PM)
got into a discussion with a friend, working for Prudential. he offerred me a PRUlink One plan with the following:

RM1,000/mth premium

PRUlink One (64yrs) + Crisis Shield (64yrs) + PRUacci Guard (34yrs)

RM500k coverage for life, TPD, 36CI, and Accidental Death (not sure if each 500K or combination of all)

Medical card
- PRUacci Med (34yrs) + PRUflexi Med (34yrs) + PRUmed (34yrs) + Enhanced PRUpayor Basic

RM2mil lifetime limit, RM100k annual limit
R&B: RM300/day, Zero Deductible
Hospital/ICU allowance: RM100/200 per day
PRUacci Med: assured RM2k
PRUmed: 2 units
Enhanced PRUpayor Basic: RM12k per annum

premium waiver: RM700 upon TPD or 36CI
am wondering if the coverage is good as well as the RM1k/mth preium is justifiable for the amount of coverage.

thanks al!
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Seem like your friend just dump in everything what Prudential offering till the premium cost Rm1k/month

But of cause it depends your current age, occupation and smoker?

Everything is good to have it, but are you sure you need everything in the plan? Guess this is the thing you need to study and consider.

I will suggest you put a portion of it to saving/retire plan then everything into insurance.
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post Jun 4 2014, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(xiaolingling @ Jun 4 2014, 05:07 PM)
I heard there have insurance that cover for HIV patient in US... is that available now in Malaysa?
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Do you mean existing HIV patient?

HIV is one of the 36 Critical Illness, which mean very high of health risk. I guess no company will accept 36 CI patient for medical card, even a diabetes patient also hard to get a medical card.

I like to tell my client, medical insurance is not like shopping, when you have money, you can buy as much as you like. We need to meet the health criteria set by insurance company in order to get one. If you >40-50 year old, most probably insurance will ask for medical check up.

But if other form of insurance like Life/TPD, Personal Accident, Education, Saving, or retirement should not be an issue for pre-existing illness patient.
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post Jun 6 2014, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(epie @ Jun 6 2014, 05:02 PM)
i need fire,burglary/robbery and public liability takaful/insurance
anyone has experience in commercial takaful/insurance before?
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These are general insurance which are straight forward. But these days fire,burglary/robbery insurance hard to get due to many fraudulent case. Especially furniture manufacture/warehouse.

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post Jun 8 2014, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 8 2014, 05:17 PM)
Actually, it makes sense for high net worth clients, as they are self insured generally, insurance is not very important financial compensating tool already. But middle class people is.

Actually, there is never an issue or right or wrong, as third party, we cannot say whether one is making right or wrong choice by having more prioritise on investment or insurance, or how one buy insurance, or invest.
It is more about personal manner.
What other can do is merely give advise on it. There is no perfect advice or right or wrong in between.

Every person is different, be it financial situation, family, and preference on how to manage their wealth etc.
Whether term insurance, life insurance, education, investment linked, has different purpose that may be preferred or not by a person. There is no right or wrong.  smile.gif
A person should buy an insurance based on his/her needs, and what he/she prefer to have.

Never invest or buy insurance based on other telling but make the decision yourself.
Advice should be always taken as reference, whether what  is needed, what is preferred, your situation, all you know the best, and you are the one to make the decision.
Never make an investment, or buy insurance based on a talk by other that said it is good to do so.

You and many other agents may be giving good advice and fair view, but do you agree the word "we" cover blanket all the agent should be modify a bit ?
Look at the below quote...  tongue.gif
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Insurance are very personalise, every individuals are unique and have different need.

We are lucky Malaysia had removed Inheritance and gift tax long long ago. Cause all rich man in Hong Kong, China, Taiwan they are heavy insured, especially trust insurance. The sum assured is protected by Insurance Law, even government, creditors, tax agent & etc can't touch the insured money to their loved one.
Now Malaysia keep finding ways to get tax, please do not discount it will implement again. It just matter of time.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1479601/all

We all know most rich man are business man, one thing they afraid most is Tax Department, LHDN. You will be wrong LHDN won't find his/her love one when the rich man passed away. First thing they will do is freeze all the asset, if without the Will, the family & children may need to wait at least 6 months, after all clearance from tax & court. But at the time all creditors will come find them to get back their money.

Even Hong Kong richest man Li Ka-shing are heavy insured in Life. Please read the link as below for what he had said about Insurance.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/55937159/Why-b...nce-Li-Ka-shing

This post has been edited by conqu3ror: Jun 8 2014, 05:48 PM
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post Jun 9 2014, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jun 9 2014, 01:03 PM)
Complimentary? i don't see why not if you don't have a PA attached. but few things to point out
1. for those with a corporate job, you are covered under company PA. not sure if company's PA covers death only or death/TPD. you can always check with HR.
2. normal ILP payout includes D/TPD as a result of accident as well. PA is just additional money.
3. this etiqa plan is focusing on 'living' benefit rather than death benefit. the big chunk of the benefit is only payable upon total paralysis, the whole 700k (which i assume is the same as TPD). need to read through the material that they send to you through snail mail.

Usually, when they sell PA, they pay out a lump sum amount upon Accidental Death/TPD. usually the amount is bigger than what is offered by Etiqa's lifestyle plan (you may check out MSIG individual PA as a comparison, couldn't find allianz pa on their website, better to do survey with the big general insurance company). of course it's up to the company to design their product.
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Allianz PA insurance not as fancy as Etiqa. Cause they rather focus on Life/TPD, medical plan and PrimeCare (Early CI).

So the General Accident death payout is the total sum assured, and the percentage of sum assured depends on the severity of injury cause by accident. Of cause Allianz do have additional rider to PA such as Weekly Indemnity, Medical coverage by Accident & etc.

Individual also can insured RM1mil for PA, but of cause the cost will increase accordingly. But do take note, PA is not claimable if the person decease due to natural cause, but only limited to accident, such as Jeju Ferry, MH370 and Karpal Singh case.
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post Jun 9 2014, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(whyme @ Jun 9 2014, 01:48 PM)
I am interested to know more about Allianz Life Insurance Investment Linked policy.  Was told it gave the highest return.

If you are an agent, please contact me via PM.  Thanks.
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As an Allianz Agent, myself can't assured Allianz have the highest return, only reasonable good return.

Honestly, Insurance main purpose is for protection. I would said Allianz have one of the best medical plan at reasonable premium.

For age below 30, it can be as low as RM5 a day.

If you just looking at return, any Agent can promise anything, but those return are base on current market and not guarantee.
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post Jun 9 2014, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(whyme @ Jun 9 2014, 04:24 PM)
Thanks for your feedback.

I already have a medical card from another insurance company.  I have a whole life policy too.

Looking at investment linked product now.
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Insurance main purpose is for risk management and wealth planning purpose.

Honestly, if really looking for pure investment return, Unit Trust, Property, Bond, Share market perform much better then investment linked product.
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post Jun 17 2014, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Jun 17 2014, 06:35 PM)
Yeah, term commission is higher than ILP and term's premium is higher than ILP. I wonder why agents like to sell ILP nowadays laugh.gif

ILP initial premium can be lower than term in Great Eastern, I'm not sure for other company.
For example, 30/male/nonsmoker/class 1/RM500,000 Life+TPD coverage.
Term cost RM3075/year for 30 years while ILP is RM1600/year. It's almost double the premium.

So if one is looking forward for buy term and invest the rest, he should really consider a plan that gives lowest initial startup premium. Well, some agents might throw me stones as I'm flipping their rice bowl by advising clients a way to save premium hence there goes their commission biggrin.gif
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Many people are too concern about the premium until they forget the long term & whether the plan can really help when they need the most.

Money in the bank and insurance all are your money, only bank is current money, insurance is future money.
Currently you are rich, doesn't mean future you will rich also.
Risk or Tomorrow only God can tell. Financial Planing is very important, for yourself and your family.

A person who really know investment should also good in risk management. The first risk to manage our own risk (life/medical) then only go invest.
We always take for granted for our good health, without it, all the wealth just nothing and just give it to doctor and hospital.

As old said, "Man at heaven, money in the bank" “人在天堂,钱在银行。”
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post Jun 18 2014, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 17 2014, 09:21 PM)
Yes, wealth is nothing without health.

But, insurance doesn't guarantee you healthy actually, a medical insurance will save you the medical cost by risk sharing between insurance buyer only, but it doesn't guarantee a person that has a healthy body as well.  smile.gif
So don't take for granted for good health.

Man at heaven, millions worth of insurance, is as same as in the bank.  biggrin.gif

Insurance is not my money nor my future money, if next year cannot pay the premium, no more coverage.  tongue.gif
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Sorry bro, please don't disregard the cash value/investment value in insurance are all your money which can paid for the premium as well (as long have enough).

We all know, the main purpose of Insurance is risk management and protection. And also for wealth planning for family, especially those own a business. When a person decease, all his/her asset will frozen, the only liquid asset will give to family is insurance (maybe you can also argue those cash under the pillow).
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post Jun 24 2014, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 23 2014, 10:20 PM)
Insurance is about financial issue, aka $$, if a person has no dependants on his/her income, died has no consequences on financial term to others, or to family members, relatives etc.

Died means died, passed away, the end, not about critical illness, treatment for diseases, accident etc.
(that's why I said died, died lor but not CI issue)

A person with no dependant on his/her income, the "died" has not consequence on financially.

The post I made earlier is to respond to a statement made, it is funny to see a claim made that a life insurance is needed for a person that is not supporting a family, while need to replace his/her income when passed away.
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Bro, just chilled.

Probably he misunderstand your meaning. Anyway who don't have family and relative? (If yes, he/she must be really lonely). Even if we don't have own family, sure we will have parents/guardian who take care of us.

But one thing for sure even if we are single, we still need medical insurance. Some said die then die lah, nothing left for me. But what if survive and need someone to take care and medical treatment? For most cases, even if going to die, first will admit hospital to received medical treatment. Unless it happen like MH370 or Jeju Ferry.
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post Jun 24 2014, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 24 2014, 04:09 PM)
No depended like orphans with no siblings / spouse have no need for Life Insurance

Perhaps Medical Insurance but many ppl do seek threatment at Govt Hospital

Some just prefer to die and not spend any money

So there are groups of ppl who really have no need for Insurance
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I hope very very few of us fall into the group that you mention. Seem like meaningless/miserable for he/she to live on earth.

Probable he/she have better life in Mars. Or maybe rain forest/kampung?
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post Jun 29 2014, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Jun 29 2014, 01:04 AM)
Wondering;
Will my COI increases if I have made a claim in my insurance?
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Nope, COI won't be affected by claim. But some insurance company do have clauses said company reserve the right to revise the co-insurance cap and right to withdraw the medical plan/rider as a whole.
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post Jun 29 2014, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jun 29 2014, 11:07 AM)
Possible as COI will increase if insurance make some loading into your COI.
How long u sell insurance bro?

Are you new in selling insurance bro?

COI= CO-Insurance? hahaha

unker roystevenung please come explain what is COI

COI=Cost of insurance

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I just wonder do I really step on something or what.

Or you just like me too much. ;D (PS: I married)
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post Jul 10 2014, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pisanggoreng @ Jul 9 2014, 09:11 PM)
Any advice for someone who / has:

1) poor health record (not really big issue actually, just insurance underwriters kinda exaggerate things) until having medical card etc rejected, and only death insurance permitted with big loading.

And

2) having a class 4 occupation.

Advice pls.
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Underwriter always exaggerate when come to health issue. Now Malaysia cancer rate are 1 in 12 and getting higher by time. They always more pre-caution then doctor, even a mild hypertension, high cholesterol, slightly overweight, high blood sugar, family medical history & etc, underwriter take it very seriously as potential illness in future.

My dad have mild diabetes, insurance company exclude any of the related illness. And we can't do a thing due to pre-existing illness.

I always afraid to heard my client said they have any pre-existing illness, even is common and mild. 100% underwriter will defer and require medical examination (although cost on Insurance company).

Medical Insurance is not like shopping, when we have money, we can buy as much as we want. We only can get it while we still strong and healthy, not the time we need it/diagnose with any illness which are too late.

Occupation class mostly just affect the COI (cost of insurance) only. Unless the job expose to high health risk, then underwriter may require exclusion/loading. Even police can get insurance.
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post Jul 10 2014, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pisanggoreng @ Jul 10 2014, 05:01 PM)
So what do you recommend me to insure myself then?
Should I buy insurance from bank such as maybank that are not so stringent on medical? Or do not require medical declaration at all?

Or don't buy insurance at all and save money for myself?

My illness is since young I have no control of it...
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Sorry to hear that, since a insurance company totally reject for medical, mean is a very serious case. Those Bank are not really specialise in Medical Insurance and their plan are not attractive and not competitive.

Most life and medical insurance will need medical declaration. PA will no need declare medical record.

If you have family and dependent, it will be good to have life/TPD & Personal Accident insurance then totally no protection.

If your company have Group medical insurance, just stick with it and don't resign until retire. Of cause it will only cover as long you with the company.

I had a friend 25 yr old, with SLE (critical illness). She can't upgrade or change her medical insurance any more although the annual limit only RM50k and life limit RM150k.
She only can stick with it, take care her health and hope the limit won't burst so fast.

Take care my friend

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post Jul 14 2014, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(AppleWC @ Jul 14 2014, 01:41 PM)
Hi Roy, thanks for the detailed explanation, highly appreciated !

sorry a lil confusing in my post, actually the monthly premium is paid through my credit card, deduction for the first two months will be 2 months' premium, RM400.00 ( july & aug) then the following months after august will be as per policy premium, RM200 / month.

now its like i m paying additional rm 200 for july n aug (TOTAL RM400 EXTRA wil be paid ) i feel something doesnt make sense here. if it was just an adv payment for the 2 months, i should be fine, but i was told i have to pay for the enforcement and its like dumping the money for nothing. really not happy now.
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For Allianz new policy application will also require 2 months premium (current month & next month) as well regardless mode of payment.

Just chill, I believe quite standard across the insurance companies. Now everything online, once your policy in-force you can sign up to insurance company portal to check your policy detail. smile.gif

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QUOTE(3antz @ Jul 24 2014, 01:37 PM)
Thanks for your input. To be honest I'm not interested in the investment portion as I have a few other investments at hand (UT).  I would like my insurance to be fully medical coverage + savings. Do you know if that is at all possible? It's my first policy so please excuse my ignorance. biggrin.gif Do you have the range of coverage for a 2400 p.a. premium?
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To be honest, you can just ask the agent show you in the computer screen to check range you can go for the rider with the premium. The quotation is generate by the system, is hard to tell the precise range.

As others mention, for your age and occupation with RM200/mth, the coverage is really low.

You should able to get better protection with same premium.

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