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post Oct 26 2015, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Oct 25 2015, 07:53 PM)
enlighten me, please biggrin.gif
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Here is the link to the online brochure: https://www.aia.net.my/products/main/brochu...ar_Brochure.pdf

The premiums for Insured and Family (meaning whole family) can be found on pg 35 of the brochure, according to the insured's age (your age).
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post Oct 26 2015, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(pobox @ Oct 26 2015, 05:04 PM)
Guys, what do you think about the AIA A-helath maximiser? Worth or not?
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For HR managers, it's God's gift to retain good employees.

From consumer point of view, it's cheap now, expensive after I retire.

But for now, it's hard to ignore.
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post Oct 27 2015, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Oct 26 2015, 09:50 PM)
Hmm, they are both still generating income;
one of them income not fixed, but the other is a civil servants (earning monthly income).

The breadwinner of the family is the mom, and basically they rely on her income to make ends meet.
They still have 2 kids in college, and 1 still in school.

They are both fairly in good condition, but I am afraid that should they fall ill (hospitalized, and/or requiring surgery), it may make a huge dent in the financial of the family.

Any other advise ?
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I would like to clarify that AIA Family Plan does not share the annual limit. If it is 100k, each person gets 100k to claim annually.
With that said, it is still not feasible for your in-laws to get a family plan because their children will be dropped from the plan at age 23.

However, the last entry age (the latest they can apply) is at age 69. (If it's next birthday, then 70)

You're looking at 7-8k p.a. for both of them this year.
Next year it will be more.


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post Oct 28 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(dhanin @ Oct 28 2015, 02:06 PM)
Hi all,

How much the premium for 500k insurance coverage for the 1 year old baby?
Please share
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You might want to step away from the person who gave you that idea...
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post Nov 3 2015, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(IsaacLiew52 @ Nov 3 2015, 10:10 AM)
isn't that normally insurance does comes with savings/investment?
understand insurance is for protection hence I guess that's reason why people could have more than one insurance
im still single and only need to pay my car installment atm
is whole life insurance the best option or should i just focus on medical?
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Here is a link to the animated life-stages and the general personal finance decisions to make. biggrin.gif

I think this is a good reference guide that you can explore. nod.gif

http://insuranceinfo.com.my/lifestages/ani...ntPrefLangID=1&

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post Nov 3 2015, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(qachak30 @ Nov 3 2015, 11:05 AM)
agree on the above as currently some of us are not clear with what we bought on our policy, eg: some insurance agents will keep telling us to purchase investment link policy because by the time we retire we will get some money out of it.

I give you a good example about my dad's policy, he bought from xxxxx agency which pushed for "Whole Life" packages and there's one time he got admitted to the hospital because of gastric and you know what? The insurance company did not cover for his medical bill but only for bedding for up to RM80 a night, i was like dude seriously? I thought life insurance should cover for his everything because he got admitted for 3 nights!! Since then i am very sensitive to this topic and having said that please ensure to read through the T&C of the policy.

Also during my research online i found out there's 2 different policies in the market which is "whole life" and "term life", like what conqu3ror said it is meant for protection only, do your research before making any decision
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Life insurance only claimable upon death and total permanent disability (TPD).
Life insurance usually have some kind of cash value/dividend over a period of time.

Medical Insurance or Hospital Insurance is where the hospital bills come in.
When purchasing this policy, be sure to dig the policy for any exclusions.
*The RM80/night is probably hospital income benefit saja. It's when a person masuk hospital only can claim that RM80/day.

Other kinds of insurance that an individual can buy:
Critical Illness cover,
Personal Accident,
Savings/Endowment plans.
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post Nov 3 2015, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(rinoa_heartily @ Nov 3 2015, 04:20 PM)
hi, can someone enlighten me what is:-

AA rider
CLR
EDDI
HB - HR11 INS RB200
H&S - HSM6 INS RB50
EAPWP
VISIONLIFE

fyi, this is a very old aia policy. i think there is medical benefit/hospitalization, and since i have new medical card now (which active more than 6 months), i can delete this supplementary and revise the premium, right?

is this a traditional policy?

i have lost my policy and should not be a problem when come to any claim, right?

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Bro/sis/sir/mdm,

I am from AIA and I can help you with it. (What happened to your agent?)

This is your p&c info, i think better we take it offline? sweat.gif
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post Nov 5 2015, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(hoodhud @ Nov 5 2015, 06:02 PM)
my parents bought for me since young till now
it was from ING and now is under AIA
had been paying for more than 10 years, thinking to terminate it
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Any particular reason to terminate?
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post Nov 6 2015, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(hoodhud @ Nov 6 2015, 09:19 AM)
actually my parents bought due to that time my aunt sell it
so tot of having relatives as agent easier but now my aunt had quit and pass it to her fren
v don't really get in touch and sometimes i feel insecure with it
possible without agent?
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If you have a friend in there, you can change servicing agent to him/her.

If you don't like that friend so much, maybe can pick one from around the forum here.

Prudential - Unker Roy
Great Eastern - ExpZero
AIA - JIUHWEI

dan lain-lain.
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post Nov 6 2015, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(rinoa_heartily @ Nov 6 2015, 11:30 AM)
able to assist and explain this old policy? smile.gif
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Yes. It is pretty standard, but I prefer to chat with you about it in private.

Stranger buka baju in public also I will faster cover him/her up.
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post Nov 9 2015, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(nancynotlousy @ Nov 9 2015, 10:14 AM)
Thanks for your update. That why, I don't dare to commit too much. As children nowadays is not cheap, my salary just somehow "gamgam" for their spending. I left bit for saving only.
In fact, thanks government for setting up gov. hospital. Totally agreed with your point, that medical card is not so needed at current moment.
Anyway what is term life insurance all about? what it cover?
I just contacted my agent again, maybe he is busy or not really keen to entertain me at this moment. He told me that he is not selling term life insurance, some more he added that it is not useful for me at all. Sigh! Then he told me that he will contact me later..
Anyway i am currently 36yo.. how much estimated I need to pay for insurance per month? If I target less than RM50 is that possible? Any agent can be recommended for term life insurance?
btw got to back to work now.. doh.gif  boss call....
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Why is medical card not so needed at the current moment?

Secondly, when do you think the medical card is needed?
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post Nov 9 2015, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 9 2015, 10:30 AM)
Frankly agents don’t really sell term life insurance. I didn’t fully read your situation but if you are JUST looking to leave money behind for your children, I do recommend you to have a look at uforlife.

What uforlife sells is known as yearly renewable term (YRT). Now the difference from getting the normal term life insurance and YRT is that premium increases as you get older and the normal term life (olden days, when I still remember AIA has term life), the premium is flat throughout (of course it’s more expensive at the beginning) and you do get a bit of cash value if you surrender in the middle of the policy. As for the uforlife YRT, there’s no surrender value whatsoever.

As for the cost, you can just play around with the website of uforlife, without having to register, choosing sum assured between 100k and up to 500k and get a quote on how much it costs per month. Being the breadwinner here, uforlife should be more suitable, and at your age, the cost is relatively cheaper compared to other insurance products available in the market.

Important to note in your case is to fill in the nomination form and send it to them. The form which states who to pay the insurance money to. But in your case is a bit tricky since I believe your kids are still below 18. Would need someone more familiar with this area to explain further.
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AIA still has term life... It's called A-Life Protect Term
https://www.aia.net.my/products/main/brochu...30529_final.pdf
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QUOTE(singenggoulee @ Nov 9 2015, 11:47 AM)
Thanks for your information. I just get to know that. Somehow I buy my insurance with my agent with one lump some package. Regard on term life - actually I slighty remember this was taught by my agent before, pls allow me to ask and share. Because base on my understanding is - Term Life also don't cover 36 critical illness. He told me very similiar with PA. And the best part of PA, it is cheaper than term life. That why I choose PA.
Sorry i am not expert in insurance, that why I don't know much about term life.
Of course, i priorities medical over term life mainly because I didnot buy a term life and I really cannot see how important it is. I am not keen to go gov. hospital leh! have to queue, wait for super duper long time leh! rather trust my private hospital.
So do you think I should contact my agent to revise my policy again?! To change my PA to term life? whether do you think I have need onto it. Mind share more detail on PA and Term life different. I cannot see any big different is both yet. Sorry about that.
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Different policies/products, have different features and benefits.

Life insurance won't take care of your hospital bills.
PA won't pay if a person die of disease.
Hospital insurance won't give you any cash to leave behind for your family.
Critical Illness Insurance pays only if you are diagnosed with a critical illness listed in the policy.

It is never about one over the other or "which one".
You go according to what you can afford.

There's no point focusing on one and neglecting the others, especially when you can afford it.
Everybody love their wife and kids. But not everybody can afford to live in gated communities, buy cars with better safety features.
But everybody can show their concern for each other, share beautiful moments, and go through hard times together, and be there for each other.
Your insurance policy can be there for you, when you most need it.

Let's face it. If insurance was free, how much would you get?
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post Nov 9 2015, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(singenggoulee @ Nov 9 2015, 05:52 PM)
True enuff.. There is no free lunch. I agreed with your point. No free insurance and insurance is not charity.
In fact, I start to get confuse with Life insurance, PA, Hospital insurance, critical illness insurance... there are so many insurance.. Then what is good for me? Of course as a buyer behavior, looking for the cheapest in value, but received the most benefit in return.
Just let me assume, my understanding was right.
1. Life Insurance will cover whatever PA cover. So that means if I buy Life insurance, then I can ignore taking PA. Right?
2. On top of Life insurance, I should also get another insurance that cover on Hospital insurance. That can secure me, in case of emergency.
3. Sorry this one, I not really sure - what is critical illness insurance right now for me? My understanding critical illness is another top up for Hospital insurance (medical insurance), i remember my insurance agent told me, the critical illness is included in my policy already.
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1. Life insurance - janji mati. PA - janji accident.
In Life Insurance, patah 2 limbs only consider TPD and get to claim. Patah 1 limb = sorry.
PA covers for accidents only. Accidentally patah 1 limb = pay.
In the case accidental death = PA will pay, Life also pay.
As agent, I am very scared to answer "cannot claim". I will literally die standing.

2. Yes, you are right.

3. Critical Illness pays the sum assured upon diagnosis of a Critical Illness. It is money for you and your family, to use however you like.
As for the critical illness within your hospital insurance, it is for the hospital to charge. No money for your pocket to use.


When agent say you should arrange for coverage in all areas, we really mean well.
Think about it. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hpomen @ Nov 9 2015, 03:31 PM)
I just visit uforlife.com.my to check how much should I pay for my insurance. I am currently 34. Do I declare myself as smoker? I stop smoking at the age of 24. That means I didnot touch cigarette for at least 10 years by now.
I quote myself to cover @ RM150k.
Guess what?! My first year till at the age of 58, I guess I still able to afford. But after 58yo, my insurance monthly repayment increased from RM200 and going up.... Assume, I retired at the aged of 60yo. How can I afford to pay for monthly repayment of RM200 per month. The worst part is when I reach 70yo, I have to dump RM600 per month... Well it sound scary for me  sweat.gif
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Regarding Smoker Status: No, you are not a smoker anymore. So Non-smoker for you. thumbup.gif

What is the purpose for you to buy life insurance?

Would this be your first life insurance policy?



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QUOTE(river.sand @ Nov 9 2015, 07:48 PM)
As explained by TS, in investment link policy, the premium a policyholder pays is invested in funds. The cash value accumulated is then used to cover the charges.

Now, for term life, the premium is lower at younger age. The money saved - you do your own investment lor...

BTW, you don't need life insurance when you retire. What you'll need is medical insurance
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river.sand is right.


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post Nov 11 2015, 12:43 PM

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Prulink One is an ILP plan.
You can add many different riders to it (hospital rider, critical illness rider, hospital income, etc)

Separate Life insurance and Medical Insurance can also be done.

QUOTE(atrocitines @ Nov 11 2015, 02:23 AM)
... some people advice me.against taking it and suggested to get a separate life insurance and medical card. How valid is this statement?
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That statement is valid, and so is the vice versa.
There's no wrong or right way.
There's just the way that works for you.

Volkswagen Golf was named car of the year 2015. It's the overall best.
Would you be buying this car?
Things to consider:
1. budget
2. how would it make me look?
3. does it fit my current socioeconomic status?
4. can i afford the maintenance?
5. Are there service centers around me?
...etc.

So many things to consider right?
It's a good car no doubt.
But why isn't everyone rushing to buy it?

Best is to stick with your agent, tell him/her your current situation, concerns, and work closely with him/her to come up with what exactly you need to have, or maybe you don't have to buy anything more and just stay as you are for now.
An agent's role is to help you to buy, not tell you what to buy or why they are the best.
All BS
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QUOTE(nancynotlousy @ Nov 11 2015, 10:45 AM)
Thanks. Anyway was AIA term life works? Just get to find out from it? Buying online like uforlife also? or must buy through agent? Will insurance charge among all insurance company are just the same?? 
I got this advice from my insurance agent. Well, instead depends on my agent 1 side story, that why I come into forum and find out more from sifu sifu here. Just get to realize from someone here. He told me the reason why my insurance agent are not keen to buy term life insurance mainly because of commission gua! that why he refuse to order term life insurance for me. I guess the most important reason.
Anyway thanks. Actually I also get to find out that I actually can buy insurance online as per recommended by few forumers here. Really appreciate with your help and support a poor single mother here.
Had checked the insurance commitment roughly less than RM50 per month is available. But still have some doubt on getting insurance online. Need sometimes to find out more. Cause I got confuse over the product that have in termlife insurance in uforlife. How trustworthy in uforlife? (As it seen like a new grow company in Malaysia, sorry I tak pernah heard of uforlife in Malaysia until recently they do alot of Advertisement.) If anything happened to me, how insurance company will find out that I am death, can do claimed for my children.. etc..
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AIA term life is a term life insurance. As far as term life coverage is concerned, it works the same way as all the term life policies from all other insurance companies, including uforlife.

How to buy?
You must buy from agent. There's no direct.

Insurance charge will not be the same. Some term life policies are convertible, some are not; some are guaranteed renewal, some are not; and so on and so forth.

There are lots of differences despite being largely the same product.
What I want you to do is to zero in on what exactly is your concerns, current situation, and where you would like to be, and engage an agent, talk to him/her, and then try to make sense of what he/she is recommending to you. Ask questions, ask a lot of questions until it absolutely makes sense to you.
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QUOTE(singenggoulee @ Nov 11 2015, 06:03 PM)
Everyone is expecting free lunch mah! I am one of them.  thumbup.gif

Just get myself correct. If we could afford buying - Life insurance, Personal Accident, Medical (hospital insurance) & Critical illness insurance, by having all these 4 type of insurances. That means I already have 1 complete set insurance already right?
If anyone who cannot afford - the first priority is getting a Life Insurance, then goes to PA, Hospital insurance and critical insurance.

Anyway I remember my insurance policy also included with some sort of saving or investment plan. Btw, I have lunch chit with one of my friend. We chat a bit about insurance. Mainly because I am thinking to make some sort of necessary changes for my current policy.
Without showing him my policy, I told him that I pay RM250 monthly for my insurance. In fact, he asked me for more detail about my insurance policy, which something I am not sure about it. He actually request me to show him my policy. Just want to find out, will it be safe if I show him my policy?
This is the reason why I need to show him the policy. Because he claimed usually an agent will propose 80% for savings/investment and only 20% life insurance/medical card and etc.. Mainly due to agents income usually comes from saving and investment plan. That why, it is important to show him the policy that I have. He will help me determine this insurance/saving/investment is good for me or not. Can we share our policy? cause I am not so close with him actually. Btw he is not an insurance agent.
Just would like to find out saving and Investment plan, actually.. is that really important for me?
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If anyone who cannot afford - the first priority is getting a Life Insurance, then goes to PA, Hospital insurance and critical insurance.
There isn't a real order of importance, but rather the order of relevance to each person. Because like me I am a sole proprietor, medical insurance appears to be the most immediate for me. smile.gif
I can say clothes is pretty important to me in my career because I meet with people everyday. But for a software developer or an architect, it's not really that important.

by having all these 4 type of insurances. That means I already have 1 complete set insurance already right?
Yes, that pretty much covers all areas of a personal insurance portfolio.

Just want to find out, will it be safe if I show him my policy?
250 monthly... chances are it is an ILP plan.
Your insurance policy is part of your finances, like a bank account.
I wouldn't show my bank account to people that I don't know well enough. Heck I don't even show my siblings my bank account!
With that said, he can't do any changes to your policy unless you authorize it by signing on some forms.
Don't let him take it back overnight, or even keep it for a few hours. Only browse through in front of you. No pictures.

Because he claimed usually an agent will propose 80% for savings/investment and only 20% life insurance/medical card and etc.. Mainly due to agents income usually comes from saving and investment plan. That why, it is important to show him the policy that I have. He will help me determine this insurance/saving/investment is good for me or not.
A lot of seasoned agents with mature clients, a big chunk of their income comes from selling saving plans, endowment plans, etc. Those are separate policies altogether, and those are big tickets. If it doesn't make sense to them, they wouldn't buy either.
In fact, I don't mind telling you that in ILP, here's how the average agent's commission works:
From Life & the riders = 20% (only for 6 years and depreciating every year)
From Savings = 3% (perpetual, every year so long as you pay the premiums)
All of our main concerns are just the life and the riders to cater for our coverage. The savings part... I think forumers around here can tell you to save somewhere else so I'll save my words and save you some time to read redundant statements.
That shows your friend's credibility to tell you what's best for you I guess... sweat.gif

Btw he is not an insurance agent. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
I don't know about you, but I usually go to the doctor when I am sick, and bring my car to the mechanic when it is broken. I also bring my computer to a technician, and go to the police to report a crime. The only reason I would do that is because they are in the industry, that's what they do, they are relevant to the subject matter, and they are the experts.
Would you come to an insurance agent like myself to ask my opinion on the best computer graphic card system compatibility, or which synthetic oil to use on your car? Chances are that I will give you my best smile, tell you I don't know and refer you to someone relevant, and that's exactly what I would do.


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QUOTE(Wolgie @ Nov 11 2015, 07:16 PM)
Dear Sifu,
Need some advice.
My Car is Axia. Loan Installment from PublicBank. 9year term
Is Public Bank Car policy under Liberty Insurance Berhad?
Now 1 years old coming for my car.
Now i receive a premium statement which need to renewal my car insurance.
Basic Premium RM1131.80, -NCD 282.95, so now include GST = 50.93 and Stampduty = 10.00, total i need to pay is 909.78.
Im ist time buy car, so do 2nd years insurance premium so high?
If not mistake, old toyota aonly 3++ per year and old Proton less the rm100 per month.
Any advice? Do really so high? Do i need change to other insurance?
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New car, usually it's comprehensive cover.

Unless you only take third party or third party fire & theft, and exclude windscreen... premium cheaper lo.
Third party - cover your victim's damages only. Your own car damages have to come from your own pocket cuz you paid the premium for comprehensive cover into your own pocket ma.

But windscreen... why don't insure? senang pecah lah.

Compare the old toyota insurance statement and the old proton insurance statement and yours. put them side by side you'll see the difference in sum insured, items that are covered/not covered.
That's the right way to compare nod.gif



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