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TSTMTANWHACKY
post Jun 22 2006, 04:59 PM, updated 20y ago

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wat post do we get in a law firm?
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post Jun 22 2006, 05:33 PM

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I'm not sure what position you will get in a law firm. But quite a few companies hire law graduates as consultant or legal advisor.

Btw, I saw one similar thread like this in here. smile.gif

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INFeRNO
post Jun 22 2006, 10:37 PM

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Why don't you just go ahead and get your CLP?
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post Jun 23 2006, 12:09 AM

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CLP is tough..
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post Jun 23 2006, 12:22 AM

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Well, getting a law degree is tough. I doubt the CLP is any more daunting than the actual 4 year degree...
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post Jun 23 2006, 08:57 AM

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it's 3 yrs actualy. the thing is, clp's tougher in the sense tat thr's a passing quota (if i am not mistaken), therefore, i would lik to work while doin my clp. but thr seems2b not many jobs needin a law degree. sigh...
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post Jun 23 2006, 09:00 AM

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That's what I heard from my friend too. The passing rate is quite low. Try to look at business firms.
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post Jun 23 2006, 11:13 AM

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If that's the case, why didn't you register yourself at an Inn in the UK? I'm sure that would've been an easier alternative.
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post Jun 23 2006, 04:54 PM

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have u any idea how muc tat cost. RM100k. around tat.
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post Jun 23 2006, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(TMTANWHACKY @ Jun 23 2006, 04:54 PM)
have u any idea how muc tat cost. RM100k. around tat.
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Yeah, fees is about $11,000+ pounds and that doesn't include living expenses for a year.
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post Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jun 23 2006, 05:13 PM)
Yeah, fees is about $11,000+ pounds and that doesn't include living expenses for a year.
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Law degrees are like accounting degrees in the business world. Its pretty useful info if you want to work in large corporations and also small and medium firms. Many people in MNCs have a legal/accounts backup degree or foundation.

To be an advocate solicitor takes a little bit more of inherent personality. Got to have a big of big mouth factor and a bit of thickfacedness.

If you work in the usual legal firms you need to know little bit of everything unless u work in a big law firm which has specialised departments then it would be beneficial if you did legal specialisms in those fields e.g. litigation, nego& arbitration, contruction, IP, tax etc.

If you want to work in Malaysia but do a foreign degree you have to do CLP. There aren't any more preferred foreign Unis that dont need CLP. Even the 4 year Aussie programs that used to be exempt are no longer so. No choice. Unless u do 4 year local programme then u are exempted isnt that so?

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QUOTE(TMTANWHACKY @ Jun 23 2006, 08:54 AM)
have u any idea how muc tat cost. RM100k. around tat.
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There are many Inns', some expensive, some less expensive. I know a few inns that charge less than 6k pounds.

But anyways, if you're already back home, just go ahead and do the CLP man. Is there any reason as to why you don't wanna do it? Lost interest in Law already?
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post Jun 26 2006, 09:03 AM

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dun realy fel lik studyin anymore... hahaha. wanna do somethin tat has substance.
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post Jun 27 2006, 07:54 PM

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smile.gif Para Legal Executive

that's what I did after my Law Degree without CLP

but please be aware that the pay is only around RM1200! sweat.gif

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post Jun 28 2006, 01:12 AM

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If you're working your way towards your CLP, then I guess you shouldn't be too bothered about where your work, or what the job title is.

Just grab some generic banking job while you save up for your CLP. I'm sure that should suffice, and it won't make your resume look bad smile.gif
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post Jun 28 2006, 08:45 AM

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para legals oly get rm1.2k???!!! tat's damn low man...
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post Jun 28 2006, 08:52 AM

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It is a norm to start at low pay. After several years of experience, you will see your pay blooming up (but of course, you have to work hard for it).

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post Jun 28 2006, 09:54 AM

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wel, i did went for a management trainee interview which offered 2k...
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post Jun 29 2006, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(TMTANWHACKY @ Jun 28 2006, 08:45 AM)
para legals oly get rm1.2k???!!! tat's damn low man...
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Chambering student (ie CLP grad) can get as low as RM500

Fresh Lawyer average starting salary is RM2000 (if you ever though Lawyers earn a lot of salary then think again)

So RM1200 for para legal executive is already consider not bad wink.gif doh.gif

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post Jun 30 2006, 09:02 AM

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how to survive wif 1.2k???!!
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post Jun 30 2006, 10:41 AM

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In a mid size firm salary of a 2 year experienced LA (legal asst) is about RM3k-4k. In a small firm could be less but u may hit partnership track earlier and easier maybe. My friend hit his partnership in a 2 boss firm on his 5th year as an LA with salary of RM6k and profit share of 10%.Not much but not too badlah since this way he has no liabilities. Firm only does routine contract work anyway,hardly any litigation so worth it lah. Non stress.

In my time paralegals already go RM1.8k that was 10 years ago. Wow, u mean our market for law grads so depressed ke?

Seriously u can do waaaay more that be a paralegal,trust me. Find out what u enjoy or what interests you. Then find a job in tha field. Otherwise u will just hate your life.
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post Jun 30 2006, 05:16 PM

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honestly, i can't seem2find a job wif a law degree, it's realy not as sellable as expected. sigh...
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post Jun 30 2006, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(TMTANWHACKY @ Jun 30 2006, 05:16 PM)
honestly, i can't seem2find a job wif a law degree, it's realy not as sellable as expected. sigh...
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do you like publishing?
with law degree you can be a legal editor
local law books publishers are Sweet & Maxwell, CCH, CLJ, MLJ...
they offer reasonable pay

I was a legal editor for 3.5 years

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post Jun 30 2006, 08:29 PM

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i am actualy lookin at a job whereby my legal knowledge'll b used i.e. talkin/advisin clients and then slowly move up the corporate ladder while doin my clp.
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post Jun 30 2006, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(TMTANWHACKY @ Jun 30 2006, 08:29 PM)
i am actualy lookin at a job whereby my legal knowledge'll b used i.e. talkin/advisin clients and then slowly move up the corporate ladder while doin my clp.
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my dear, you are not qualified to give advice till you get your PC (practice certificate)... sweat.gif

with a UK degree, your knowledge in Malaysian Law is like zero without CLP...
so, how to give legal advice leh?

if you intend to do corporate... then I guess Legal Executive at Legal Department of big corporation is the job you're looking for...

few months ago there was such a vacancy in Jusco... (they're constantly recruting for this position... look out for it if you're interested)


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post Jul 1 2006, 09:14 AM

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yea, tat's the sad thing, dunno abt malaysian law. most companies oso won't take me in cos of lack of malaysian law knowledge...
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post Jul 1 2006, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(TMTANWHACKY @ Jul 1 2006, 09:14 AM)
yea, tat's the sad thing, dunno abt malaysian law. most companies oso won't take me in cos of lack of malaysian law knowledge...
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Why dont u do the MAICSA exams and look into Company Secretary jobs? U even get some exemptions from exams coz of your LLB. Being COm Secretary for big companies will pay well once u have some experience. Its rather routine work but u will never run out of offers,really. ANd u can go quite high up the corporate ladder. If u get bored Corporate Reporting side esp for huge companies reporting to SC and public needs to be tracked and managed well by persons with legal and communications type background.
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post Jul 1 2006, 01:08 PM

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as you've seen from all these posts...
having a mere LL.B is just not enough!
even if you wanna skip CLP you'd still need to get some expertise in other fields
ie more studies... sweat.gif

company secretariat is a good idea
if you're determine to climb that ladder...
but you'd still need to get the cert...

so either way you'd still be forced to some further studies
no way to run sweat.gif

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post Jul 1 2006, 06:41 PM

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sigh... but im kinda short of funds2continue studyin. anyway tat i get a job tat can pay for car, rent, food, little bit of entertainment n stil save some for clp?
btw, is clp 2 yrs or 1 for partimers?
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post Jul 1 2006, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(TMTANWHACKY @ Jul 1 2006, 06:41 PM)
sigh... but im kinda short of funds2continue studyin. anyway tat i get a job tat can pay for car, rent, food, little bit of entertainment n stil save some for clp?
btw, is clp 2 yrs or 1 for partimers?
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answer to blue text: job as Legal Editor (that's how I did it)
answer to red text: less than 1 year

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post Jul 2 2006, 11:10 PM

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thanks. i'll go scouting around for it. any recommendations on how2get these jobs? hehehe.
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post Jul 3 2006, 08:16 PM

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Had the same dilema as u b4 I took my CLP. Im currently takin my CLP exam on July BUT I think I'm prob flunking it coz of WORLD CUP... Personally I think the job market for a law grad without CLP is not very good here... Many of my frens without CLP moved to sales!

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post Jul 4 2006, 07:15 PM

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i realised, i've been gettin calls fr ppl lik tat...

 

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