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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V55, 2013 NST-MB Poorfag Car of The Year

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post Dec 6 2013, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 6 2013, 12:15 PM)
KUMHO!!!
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or hankook v12's lo....
or abang adik nt8000, ma nexen's n8000 lorh...

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post Dec 6 2013, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Dec 6 2013, 12:18 PM)
Apa tu oren punya?? got orange colour??? what you into smell now also ah?? macam the si gayraptor....proton car like chine smell
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post Dec 6 2013, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Dec 6 2013, 01:15 PM)
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post Dec 6 2013, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Dec 6 2013, 01:33 PM)
ohmy.gif  donut pun part time ker?  laugh.gif
errr, the hamka u mean is kumho?
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post Dec 6 2013, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Dec 6 2013, 01:54 PM)
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actually it's more of a perspective as the brake fluid has higher pressure/narrower flow.

imagine your house rubber water hose, when you squeeze the tip so it's having higher pressure for targeted spray. however the end result of the amount of water being used/output should be same/similar.

now try to imagine what's the pros/cons when it comes to braking la laugh.gif
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post Dec 6 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Dec 6 2013, 02:06 PM)
Hi Bro... notworthy.gif

How abt sharing yr views of those Pros & Cons?
TQ in adv.

Me can only see the main Pro...ie a better harder biting brake effect fr same effort by right foot...
Mainly due2 resulting higher pressure...
Juz as in changing 2SS braided hoses...

Main Con is need 4regular chks & maintenance if those ties...
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just to list a few from my own understanding:

pros
bite faster, NOT harder.
the applied pressure is still the same as that is determined by the master pump.

In the rubber water hose analogy, that would be the amount of water being supplied by the pipe - the amount of brake fluid being pushed by the master pump.

cons
your braking won't be very linear, it'll be very sharp. (expect a lot of nose diving/brake locking if your front suspension suck/no ABS)

also if you're pushing your brake temperature to it's limit and your fluid is expanding (do think about WHY standard brake hoses are manufactured as such aside of cost saving la) but have no where to expand, what happens? the pressure gets extremely high and even light push may result in a very hard brake - a steady threshold/trail brake into corner can result in the rear drums suddenly biting too hard causing a lock > spin out.

that's what i've learned during sepang after over 20-30 laps continuous laugh.gif
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post Dec 6 2013, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Dec 6 2013, 02:08 PM)
Water hose the fluid comes out la genius dry.gif

This one, with the cable ties, PREVENTS the brake hose from expanding too much when the brakes are pressed too often. Rubber brake hose will expand. With the cable ties, even with repeated brake presses, it wont expand that badly.
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post Dec 6 2013, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 6 2013, 02:16 PM)
Moog's explanation most scientific!!
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oh hey the new ad08r already installed! (i don't follow mcm that much so yea lol)

anyways overall i'm not saying braided lines are bad, just highlighting that as with any mods, it's good to understand its pros/cons, what it's all about and what you're getting in to and not mod for the sake of modding because other people does it.

in fact, what are the chances of most people pushing their brake fluid to the limits? even genting touge won't do that unless you're doing marathon of up/down hills x10 or something.

and EVEN then that's assuming your brake pads don't fade first or you getting into an accident.

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post Dec 6 2013, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Dec 6 2013, 02:18 PM)
Tak mau gay with you.

Bye.
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post Dec 6 2013, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Dec 6 2013, 02:28 PM)
braking linear or not, depends on pressure applied....if driver get used to it then it's like normal only....can adapt one....

Normal use your brake temperature will have ample time to cool down la....the line itself also acts like a cooling fin that's why you see they use steel line to transfer the brake fluid....the only part is rubber is connecting from the caliper to the steel line. Reason using rubber is because cost and flexibility compare to SS braided hose, rubber is easier to bend and can have smaller bend radius than SS braided hose....brake fluid have very high boiling point....and I can verify this because i try cooking brake fluid in microwave for 1 hour.....nothing happen to the brake fluid......I've been using braided hose in all my other cars and my gaga....even I lap Sepang with my gaga I also don't feel the brake change much after 7 laps....it's still the same feeling....

30 laps continous apa race you do 30 laps non-stop.....
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yeap i do agree.
eventually i did get used to my braking after a few days since i installed the steel braided lines.
what i didn't got used was after the brakes got cooked over too many laps at sepang laugh.gif

and yes, you are right as the steel braided lines may be able to radiate (which as you said, act like a cooling fin) heat off of it.
zeone 's mod though are still essentially rubber with cable ties sweat.gif

and i went as many lap as my car can go (actually aside from various shit overheating and not functioning optimally, the car still can take a lot of punishment lol) because first time in sepang, wanted to make full use of the 2 hours that was given (actually cut short also because safety car went out a few times cry.gif ) and of course, really wanted to push the car as hard as i can to it's limits, and evidently i went overboard biggrin.gif
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post Dec 6 2013, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Dec 6 2013, 02:58 PM)
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post Dec 6 2013, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Dec 6 2013, 03:15 PM)
Hv a great day & wkend!!
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you're welcome.
you have a great day & weekend too biggrin.gif
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post Dec 6 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(karency @ Dec 6 2013, 03:20 PM)
Mind to explain the different between UR's ARB and 3Max's ARB?

Anyone tried both of them before?
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if you're referring to the rear ARB, UR = lol torsion beam strengthening bar.
not an ARB at all.

can't comment on 3max as it's not available for iswara
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post Dec 6 2013, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Dec 6 2013, 03:37 PM)
iswara no need arb leh,dat day i drove 1 when rushing time,f***ing awesome,lol...
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post Dec 6 2013, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(2JayZ @ Dec 6 2013, 04:02 PM)
Damn...means only can get from URs and yet u guys said their ARB is just a strengthening bar LOL
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it depends on the application. for iswara it's just doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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post Dec 6 2013, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Dec 6 2013, 04:26 PM)
Hi Bros...  notworthy.gif

IINM, Iswara ( if same specs as Saga 1.5I ) oledi comes fitted with Ori ARB...
My ole gen Saga had it as stock... tongue.gif
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i'm referring to rear la.

and the front, i just realized it's a worthless 9mm doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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post Dec 6 2013, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 6 2013, 05:04 PM)
U really belip every friday got TT  sweat.gif
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post Dec 6 2013, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Dec 6 2013, 07:09 PM)
Yup, Bro... notworthy.gif

For ole gen Saga (replaced by Iswara), there's a Front ARB AND a Rear ARB as well fitted as Ori stock... tongue.gif

However, me not sure if it's 4all variants or not...
Juz kno my 1.5I Auto came with it.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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iswara no rear ARB, only got front.
afaik even older gen sagar also same, or even it's ancestor lancer fiore.

it's already running on torsion beam anyways so...
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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 6 2013, 07:12 PM)
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oh salah, every friday
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post Dec 7 2013, 05:03 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Dec 7 2013, 02:15 AM)
Front only, rear doesn't have 1. FYI, the front ARB is just too tofu, couple with ultra soft spring and long shock damper, C21 are just made to FLOAT like a boat and sting like fart.

Rear part is a hybrid combination of torsion beam setup, but with a flexible coupling in the middle, hence it's also work LIKE a multi link. With a proper ARB to twist the movement during hard corner indeed can save the car from BUANGing too much like sei sohigh Quazacolt after installed Ular Cacing tofu beam strengtening bar
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