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coolkwc
post Mar 6 2014, 09:47 AM

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Hi, can someone recommend me the below component?
I still stay in Core2 ancient era, i din follow up much since i7 until the new Haswell architecture now. Now i'm still read article from various hardware site.

Purpose of rig: Mainly for editing photo (photoshop, lightroom, which stretch my OC 3.3Ghz QX6850 to its knee), HD video playback (using SVP manager to increase frame rate from 24/30Hz video into 75Hz framerate in real time, make my current proc scream)

Budget: RM3-3.5k for few components below, OC oriented.

CPU: Target i7 3570k or i7 4770k (Which one is overclocking friendly??)
From what i know, Haswell integrate VR into proc, which makes the proc run very hot under load when OC. However Ivy-B employ lousier TIM between spreader and die which make it equally ugly too when under load. Anyway, Ivy-B is around 300++ cheaper than Haswell.

Mobo: I really have no idea for the mobo. After LGA 775, the socket types start to deviate untill i can't catch up. But for Ivy-B, i have to opt for 60 and 70 series chipset, and the choice is very less nowadays.
For Haswell, alot of choice on Z87 chipset, which also make me very headache. I need a midrange mobo that can OC my proc resonable. I dun need those extra features such as those onboard creative sound card, just a rock solid midrange mobo that can OC my proc reasonably. Budget target around 600-700. Better if cheaper.

RAM:
OK, from what i know last time we mess with FSB, so we can fine tune memory clock. The architecture now is set by ratio/multiplier, so up one step, we will need a memory with higher stock frequency. So memory is crucial in OC. Am i right? Any recommendation? I don need top performance RAM with lowest latency, just need a RAM that could keep up with my OC'ed proc. Minimum capacity is 8GB, as lightroom and mozilla open at the same time can consume me up to 6GB of RAM. I turn off virtual memory all the time.

Water cooling:
My rig now also using custom water cooling (7.5 years ago), however the CPU block leaking yesterday, thats why today i'm asking new system here. Anyway, i will still go to water cooling system, any recommendation? I have pump and radiator, if i just change CPU block is it possible? How about brand new water cooler system? Any recommendation? Budget 500-600.

GPU:
Using 6870 now, will remained this card in my new rig, seldom gaming.

HDD:
1TB HDD, 128GB SSD, will remained as well and no plan to buy additional one.

PSU:
Silverstone Strider Essential 500W, no plan to upgrade, hopefully can cope with new system with reasonable OC.

Please give your valuable input. Thanks in advance.

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post Mar 7 2014, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Chew Yongxian @ Mar 6 2014, 05:58 PM)
I would suggest something like this:
Intel Core i7-4770K - RM1050
Asrock Extreme4 Motherboard - RM619
Kingston HyperX 1866/CL9 8GB - Rm420

And you're reusing your GPU, HDD, SSD and PSU yes?

As for cooling, get rid of your old WC loop and just get the Swiftech H220 for RM489. Easier to maintain, efficient and powerful. If you want a proper custom set it'll be at least be RM800-900 now. Don't ever get the Armegeddon kits. Those are rebranded XSPC 750 kits with horrible pump and tubing.

But if you want to change your CPU block alone, you can get the EKWB Supremacy Nickel from APES for RM280+ or the Koolance 380I from niclasteoh at RM296. Was actually gonna get the 380I before I settled on the Aquacomputer Cuplex Kryos Delrin.

But since we are still on budget here you can get something like the XSPC RayStorm D5 AX240 WaterCooling Kit. smile.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 6 2014, 09:54 PM)
CPU -  there is no i7 3570K, there is i5 3570K only laugh.gif performance wise, Haswell is a mere 5-10% faster than Ivy-B, so better take new model. cooling performance wise, Haswell is no better than Ivy-B, Intel still using the same method of TIM application inside the die

MOBO - im not sure much about the OC capability of the mobo ive picked below, but i daresay you can overclock decently with that mobo

RAM - i picked a decently speed RAM with high capacity as well, 16GB, so you shouldnt have any more problems of running out of memory nor having slow RAM speeds

WC - this is subjective as you might favour DIY WC kits instead. but Corsair H100i is a well known performer, so im suggesting that to you too

try this setup

Intel Core i7 4770K RM1089
Asrock Z87M Pro4 RM349
Corsair Vengence Pro PC1866 RM719
reuse HDD, SSD
reuse GPU
reuse PSU, but not sure if youll require more juice if you perform heavy OC
Corsair H100i AIO WC kit RM449
Corsair 350D RM345
Total: RM2951

PS: forgive me if i seem inclined to Corsair products, but they are good afterall tongue.gif
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Thanks bro.

I read alot of reviews yesterday, come out with the selection very similar to ur recommended.

1. i7 4770K
2. Asrock Extreme4 Motherboard OR
GIGABYTE Z87X-UD3H OR (Damn expensive)
ASUS Z87-PRO
3. RAM wise, might stick to your recommendation speed. Brand wise is OK for me, see which one cheaper.

As for WC, still in review research.
In my mind now got Swiftech H220, Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme and Corsair H100i.
Chew Yongxian May i know where can i get the Swiftech H220? I stay at JB, and will go to Genting from next Friday until Sunday, between i will go to KL Lowyat Plaza to hunt for my rig component, can you tell me which shop carry this WC kit? I download few price list, i only saw C-ZONE carry alot of coolers, but still i couldn't see Swiftech H220.

As for Thermaltake water 3.0 Extreme, price around 399, the performance is better than Swiftech H220 in max fan power, but at the expense of noise. However 3.0 Extreme fan and bump speed can controlled by software (Through internal USB connection), which is attractive too.

For Corsair H100i, the performance is quite similar to Thermaltake water 3 extreme, but the price is higher. Also come with control software.

Casing wise, can i get something decent under RM200? Corsair 350D is overkill IMO. tongue.gif
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post Mar 7 2014, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 7 2014, 11:59 AM)
its one of the best casing i can recommend, mATX size (which means compact) but yet can be fitted with dual fan radiators and comes with great cable management features thumbup.gif

but if you insist,

perhaps these might suit you

Corsair 300R RM299
NZXT Phantom 410 RM350-400

just bear in mind that lower end cases might be unable to be fitted with a dual fan radiator. the ones i suggested above are not bad, despite the pricing
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mATX? sweat.gif Dun really need the compactness, it will cook my hardware in long run. Prefer ATX or Full ATX casing.
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post Mar 9 2014, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(Chew Yongxian @ Mar 8 2014, 12:47 AM)
I have seen one before and i thought it could fit a 240mm rad. But true, just because it can fit a fan doesn't mean it can fit a rad.  sweat.gif

And after reading your article and looking at pictures, I don't thino a top mounted 140mm works as well. The problem with the Nepton is that it's inherently thick. Not sure if it will also face spacing issues for the top.

The rear meanwhile is a different story. I think the case can handle 120mm Rads just fine. However I do suggest getting thicker Rads to handle the 4770K's heat output.

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Dunno why he needs so much goddamn RAM, but those vengeance are high profile so i think it'll do fine.
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What's in my mind now:

I still have a 120mm radiator, is brass tube + copper fins. If i get the Swiftech H220, actually i can expand the setup to 240mm top + 120mm rear radiator setup... brows.gif
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post Mar 10 2014, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 9 2014, 10:46 PM)
You actually can. You can even cool your GPU as well if you're willing to fork out for a Waterblock.

But the question remains. You need a bigger case. The Source 210 can't handle a 240mm rad on top. I suggest getting the NZXT Phantom 410 to fit everything. It's a nice solid case. The Corsair Obsidian 350D is also a fine choice.
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Again no to 350D. This casing is too small for me.

Ok, i expand my budget for my casing within RM300-400, In my list now:
1. Corsair Carbide 400R (Very good review in techpowerup)
2. Cooler Master RC-690 III (very good review in guru3d)

My 1st priority is CM RC-690III, the attractive point is there are 3 grommet holes for WC tubing, if let say i hook the 240mm radiator on top, most probably I will not be able to mount 120mm raditor on rear inside the casing. So i can extend the tubing outside the casing and mount the 120mm casing outside the casing.

Actually for radiator i more prefer mount outside the case like my current setup, the cooling performance is better.


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post Mar 10 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 10 2014, 01:24 PM)
Hahahahahha. Okay okay. But you won't consider the Phantom 410? It's a pretty good case.  biggrin.gif

Yeah the Corsair and CM are good mid sized caxes that would suit you fine.

As for radiator mounts, its up to you. My preference is to mount it inside. Haha.
Btw for the CM690III you can actually mount the second rad at the bottom of the case.
So Swiftech H220 pump/Waterblock > CPU > 240mm Rad > GPU > 120mm Rad > Pump/Waterblock again.
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Haha, no plan to cool my ancient 6870 GPU at all as i seldom gaming and nv OC GPU.

I actually want my extra 120mm radiator give extra cooling for CPU as well.

Meaning water block/pump -> 240mm radiator -> 120mm radiator -> water block/pump. Haswell is a hot chip, i plan to OC at least 4.6Ghz, means also with high voltage, so i predict alot of heats will be generated by the chip.
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post Mar 10 2014, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 10 2014, 04:21 PM)
Oh. Hahaha okay. But i think the H220 by itself should be sufficient for cooling the 4770K. But again you already have the radiator. Just make sure you buy the right fittings and tubing for the loop. Primochill Advance LRT Tubing and XSPC Compressions are good cheap alternatives.
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f***...my appetite is getting bigger after i come back from Jayacom at JB.

Final thought about casing and WC.

Corsair Carbide 500R + Corsair H110... doh.gif

Anway, Kingston hyperX 2400Mhz 16GB @ RM599...nice grab is it?? rclxub.gif

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post Mar 11 2014, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 10 2014, 11:28 PM)
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA. Who ask you go self poison. Hehehe.  tongue.gif

Not sure if the Carbide 500R can fit the 280mm H110 on top. I think sticking to the Swiftech H220 is still better since its at 240mm, but an extremely powerful one.. But the 500R is a good case. Lots of fans placements to keep it cool.

And bro you need make sure the RAM is not above CL10 timing. Even at 2400MhZ if its at cL11, you might as well get a 1600MHz CL9.
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Can fit. Stated in official page. Just set as pull configuration will do.

I know H220 has powerful pump which can expand later on, but most probably i won't expand the setup. Yesterday i checked my left over radiator, it measure 140mm width, which most casing will not support, so basically expand using this radiator is no more possible now. Buy new radiator? Mostly i won't. So H110 maybe is better choice for me. In stock, H110 is silent, yet cooling performance is better than H220 due to larger radiator area.

As for the RAM, from what i understood, if 1600Mhz is at CL9, most probably 2400Mhz will be at CL11 (1866Mhz CL10), will look and see. But from Kingston website, yes, 2400Mhz will be at CL11. Corsair Vengeance Pro @ 2400Mhz also CL11, but is almost RM200 more than Kingston Hyper X. rclxub.gif Any concern if i use CL11 RAM for i7 4770k? The internal memory controller not support?
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post Mar 11 2014, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 11 2014, 11:36 AM)
Well you've pretty much made up your mind. So Corsair Carbide 500R and Corsair H110 then. Or you can get the NZXT Kraken X60 which is also the same Asetek 280mm cooler for RM399. smile.gif

Yeah pretty much. Try get tight CL9/CL10 timings and reasonable speeds of 1600Mhz and above. But of course the higher the performance of the RAM, the pricier it is. And as for support, the 4770K is fine. It's your motherboard you have to watch out for. You have to make sure it allows XMP mode or allows overclocking to fully utilize the 2400MHz. Most will run at 1600MHz stock if you don't get a mobo that allows faster speeds or turn on XMP.

I really suggest you find a nice 1600MHz CL8 or lower RAM would be sufficient. No need to get too fancy.
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Haiz, now the most difficult part is mobo for me.

As mentioned before, few in my option list:
1. Asrock Z87-Extreme4/6
Best connectivity, Best value to performance, best features in this price range. Most imporatnt, support for old PCI slot, which no need to sacrifice my Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic.
OC wise, so so only, also found online comments the BIOS is buggy and software is so so only.

2. Asus Z87-Pro
Poor connectivity compare to Asrock, expensive, but OC performance is decent. No PCI slot, onboard sound is so so, then i have to get rid of my XtremeMusic, how can??

3. MSI Z87-GD45
Above average features, so so OC performance, price is reasonable though. Same as ASUS, can't support my XtremeMusic. But software is attractive, especially the way it overclock in Windows environment.

4. Gigabtye Z87-D3H
Less review on this board, official site list out, everything is so so for me. How is the OC performance? The all Gigabyte Z87 board is damn expensive, this one no exception as well. RM595...but but but, it come with single PCI slot... drool.gif Anyway, my previous 3 boards also Gigabyte, from P965->EP35->EP43...all 2nd hand. From excellent -> nice -> ok ok lo... whistling.gif

Please, anyone help me out...

I just want a OC oriented board with not much features, no need SLI+CF, need at least 1 PCI slot, price RM600+-...some luxury feature is welcome such as CMOS switch (Tired with clear CMOS with jumper), useful OC software in windows, why so difficult. sad.gif
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post Mar 11 2014, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 11 2014, 02:23 PM)
The Asrock is fine. A lot of members here use the Extreme4. My board is also a variant of the Extreme6. You're not gonna OC a lot or tweak your bios settings alot right? The Asrock will be a fine choice. But the GD45 is also a good choice if you want stable BIOs and great OCing. Or you can get its big brother the GD65.  brows.gif  brows.gif

But I think you mean PCi Expresss slot? All boards have PCI 3.0 slots standard.

But if you want to spend a but more check out the ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO LGA 1150 Intel Z87 Mobo. Rock solid ASUS stability. biggrin.gif
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Not PCI express (short), is old school PCI slot.(long one, slightly shorter than GPU PCIE slot)
The board you mentioned except Asrock didn come with this slot.
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post Mar 11 2014, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 11 2014, 02:42 PM)
Oh that old school slot. Hahaha. Again guess you've made up your mind already. Hahah.  tongue.gif

Corsair 500R, Asrock Extreme6. And either the H110 of X60.  thumbup.gif
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Plan to buy additional SSD for RAID 0 configuration. biggrin.gif

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