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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

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plumberly
post Dec 25 2013, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 25 2013, 05:51 PM)
Case 1 saw the photo look familiar call up agent to confirm address,  Happened to know the neighbour "my relatives" told the house no tenant for nearly 2 years, but alway wanna sell above market price, later went auction,.

Case 2 owner is my colleague friend neighbours.

Case 3 happened to know the agent confirm the unit went auction.
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Wah, you really have your finger on the RE pulse! Ha.


Awareness

then

Knowledge

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Skill

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Mastery !!!


Keep it up! And share! Ha.
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post Dec 26 2013, 07:37 PM

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Saw this a few minutes ago (from Bank Negara).

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Having one housing loan is already a concern for me, my salute to those with 3 or more housing loans!

If you have the 2013 report from BNM, please share. Thanks.
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post Dec 27 2013, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Dec 26 2013, 11:01 PM)
Don't quite understand the graph. It's showing percentage of change? Am really interested on the actual figures.
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Sorry, I do not have the actual numbers.

Maybe someone reading this knows why the sudden increase in (a) Mar-Apr 2010 and (b) sudden drop in Mar-Apr 2011?

(a) - due to govt's drive with $$$ benefits? I know there was one govt promotion in pushing up the RE market a few years ago. Can't remember the details now.

(b) - another govt's hand working here but to slow it down?

Curious to know the % for Q4 2013!

Thanks.
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post Dec 27 2013, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Dec 27 2013, 06:55 PM)
why bank's valuation is always so much lower than market price?
i don't really understand this because those are confirmed purchase price which means there is market for that kind of price...

but then bank always quote lower....really give problem...
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My view is, the valuation will be used as the loan amount and the bank needs a REAL asset of that worth should later they need to take over the asset if the loan customer cannot pay the loan any more.

My 2 cents.
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post Dec 29 2013, 06:01 PM

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I attended an RE course many years ago. One advice which has stayed in my mind is, when buying apartment, go for the medium class apartments. Why? Not that it is cheaper than the high end but during:
* good time, even the lower income people will up grade themselves and go for the medium class apartment
* bad time, the high income people may downgrade and go for medium class apartment.

So the demand is better than the other 2 classes.

Is there truth in that from real experience?

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post Jan 2 2014, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Jan 2 2014, 07:16 PM)
"Malaysia's real estate market is expected to remain vibraint next year especially its middle and low end segments...." Yeahh right....PR1MA. 

This people are trying to spread the 'feel good' effect and the sense of security when in actual things will get
worse. They need thw continous supply of waterfish to prop prices, artificially make the market look good and to sustain the developers.
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Agree with your observation.

Almost everyday one can see newspaper articles on how good the coming year will be, company A will increase sales due to the robust local spending, company B will expand its business both locally and overseas, company C will see its products gaining dominance in the market, etc. etc. Are they telling the truth? Well, if I were the company's MD and a reporter asks me for my company's progress into 2014, you bet I will be very positive. Why? I guess not to "harm" the company with the truth, e.g. dropping share price later etc.

Dr Neoh (ex MU) wrote a book many years ago called Stock Market Performance and he noted and questioned why media was always positive before and at the start of the past economic crisis. My guess is, the publisher will have its publishing license on the line for its groomy economic business news, causing public panic etc. Not forgetting that there are some good hearted publishers who want to do their part in keeping the economy machinery running no matter what.

If I were doing their job, I am afraid that I will be doing what they are doing now, painting a rosy picture of the bleak future. though it is against my conscience. Luckily I am not in that line.

My 3 cents.

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post Jan 5 2014, 08:05 PM

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Any one out there who monitors the number of weekend advertisements -house/apartment for sale and for rent?

Thinking of doing that to get a feel on the RE market. Share the work and we review here?

Cheerio.
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 6 2014, 12:09 PM)
Sharing a very useful site for those who like numbers and charts, covering every aspect of Malaysian economy.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/indicators
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post Jan 8 2014, 09:20 AM

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From what I read, office RE market is now on a downward trend with demand < supply.

Like to know whether some one in this forum has some data on the relationship among office, industrial and residential RE markets. Do they all go in the same direction (not all at the same time)? Which is the leading one among the 3?

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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 9 2014, 09:20 AM)
Brilliant Dubai real estate ad

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should have one at Petronas Tower
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Ha ha. To me, this confirms the bubble is there. Some people are really desperate/cunning. A+ for their ingenuity!
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post Jan 12 2014, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 11 2014, 11:37 PM)
Here is an interesting article...

How Can I Protect Myself From a Real Estate Bubble?

To protect yourself, follow these simple tips:


The bottom line: don't panic about a potential real estate bubble, but exercise caution and good financial judgment when buying real estate, choosing your mortgage type, and taking equity out of your home.
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Informative, useful tips. Thanks for your sharing.

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post Jan 13 2014, 12:44 PM

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Sharing what I did last night. Used data from NAPIC. I am not responsible for the accuracy of the data here or their interpretation.

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Asking myself, is line B2 the new brother of A2?

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In the 1998 crash, tell-tale sign was the high rise price index which declined 2 years before others. Do not see that pattern now. In fact, high rise index has increased the most (39%) among others over the last 3 years.

All Tce HR SD DT ==> 28% 28% 39% 24% 26%

Did we really see this higher jump in HR price in the market from 2010-2012?

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The decline in 2008 was less than I expected (I expected >30%). The total drops over 2008 & 2009 were:

-12% -8% -10% -20% -13%

Biggest one was the SD sector.

If the relationship between the index and the actual price is linear, then the price drop was not that much, less than 20% in the 2 years.


I know history does not repeat itself down to the seconds but some awareness should be helpful.

If you see some other things in the 2 graphs, please share.

And also, if you have 2013 house price index data, please share as well. I am very interested to know whether the index in 2013 has started to decline like in 1997. Then more bad news to come!

Cheerio.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2014, 01:06 PM)
So based on this, whats your analysis of where we're at and what lies in future for the property sector?
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Like I said earlier, it depends on the 2013 data. If it is lower than 2012, then my bet is a similar downward trend like in 1998.

QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 13 2014, 01:28 PM)
If the data is for the whole malaysia, then the drops are dampened by areas that are not affected by previous rise or drop.  An average drop of -20% may mean some prime areas may suffer big drops.
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Good point. Data is for the whole of M'sia.
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post Jan 13 2014, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Balrog @ Jan 13 2014, 01:48 PM)
Data for Q1 and Q2 2013 available. Preliminary data for Q3 2013 also here:
http://napic.jpph.gov.my/portal/content/Pu...HRM_Q3_2013.pdf

Q1 and Q2 still shows strong growth. Q3 preliminary data shows weakening.
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Many thanks.

I thought the annual index is the average of the 4 quarters but my average value is not the same as what they have quoted for 2012. Do you know how to get the annual value using the Q values?

Thanks.

P/S Looking at the 2013 Q values (which are larger than 2012), I don't think then it is an mirror image of 1998. Let us wait for 2014 data then.

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