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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

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HuiChyr
post Dec 29 2013, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 29 2013, 02:37 PM)
The land search result is available to public... torrent systemm.. this at least u can cut off agent and their markingbptice.. land search tells you who is d owner... with ic no. After the case of Tan ying hong federal coury.. the identity is much protected...

aftet u secure the details.. beware owner might have change of address.. u will have to wait 3 months or even 6 months for the agents to expire othetwise the agent can sue the seller for breacing thr option.. by that you can save 3 percent at least if agent furthet marked up that would be a bonus...

flippers are tertible have property still want agents to look aftet and same time factored the same I m the selling price..
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Damn ... u r the man! thumbup.gif
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post Dec 29 2013, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Siao_Lang @ Dec 29 2013, 04:25 PM)
Huh? Are you sure the rental in Mont Kiara drop by 50% or you rented 50% lower for your properties in Mont Kiara? It's like desperados renting out their condo for half price condo.. Like this.. Better rent to me.. thumbup.gif  brows.gif
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If you so confident rental can demand high, u go ahead and commit yourself 1 or 2 units in Mont Kiara lor.... brows.gif

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post Dec 29 2013, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Dec 29 2013, 07:11 PM)
Well look at this way. Unlike Spain, we could not borrow cheaply and still have german strength currency.

Hence the austerity measures taken by the gomen now.

And our weak ringgit.

Point is, unlike Spain, we don't have the euro to constrain us.

Finally, yes, our personal debt level are high, but if I recall correctly, it is main car loans, not mortgages.

And the main race that is in that high debt rate are mainly malays.

Doesn't matter, we will see next year. I for one are not worried about a prop slowdown next year.
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We don't have currency like Euro to constraint us means we can just print money to pay the debt. And still the gomen practise austerity. Why? Printing money is a bad move, especially a small country like ours.

If money printing is feasible, Iceland could have printed themselves out of debt. Instead they defaulted.

U may have strong holding power but many do not. And this fact is true across all races.


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post Dec 30 2013, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 30 2013, 12:38 PM)
The said "Cash rich Chinese" are the older generation which means chinese from the 40s,50s, 60s and not the current generation. The current Chinese generation are more like any race now, spending and living beyond their means. Those that can sustain are because their parents or grandparents (the said cash rich Chinese) are supporting them.
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I have to .... agree. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Dec 30 2013, 02:25 PM)
yes our GDP is growing, but our debt is growing faster than the GDP. This shows we make more debt than the cash we receive
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Agreed rclxms.gif
GDP growth driven by debt which is becoming NPL (Non-Performing Loans) is useless too.
China's GDP is driven by exactly these type of debt. Sustainable debt must be supported by good asset.

Properties were good asset but oversupply of any product drives the price DOWN. Speculation/flippers were the ones driving property prices UP to ridiculous level. If you are smart, u r out of it soon before it becomes overprices. Or sell it at overprices level ... that if u found yourselves "water fishes"

My measuring factor is always monthly installment + other cost (cukai pintu etc) = rental is consider breakeven. Anything tip left or right is consider loss or profit, respectively. This is basic gauge first. After that look at scenario. Some new development will take time for rental to go up and balance the total cost. So work out the risk from there.

If we look at the current situation; rental itself is not enough to pay for monthly installment. Lets not forget maintenance, cukai taksiran etc..... Looking at how much ADDITIONAL cash needed to fork out compare to your regular income. You can estimate your HOLDING POWER at the CURRENT interest rate.

Factor in the possibility of BLR increase .... you know the PERIOD of your HOLDING POWER. icon_question.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 30 2013, 08:04 PM)
Anybody read sinchew today ? Total households in malaysia it says is 6.9 mil. Existing house supplies is 4.67mil. Hmm, dun know whether they meant the supplies is available supplies or total supplies or total housings?
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This sin chew also stupid one la .....
6.9 mill household includes father, mother and children is it? Don't they have to stay together? If that the case 6.9 mill divide by 3 lor .... so only 2.3 mill only mah ..... 4.67 mill house... oversupply de.... LoLZ rclxm9.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Dec 30 2013, 08:41 PM)
This thread has element of sadism and vengence.
Appalling.
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It's a dog eat dog world bro .... u snooze u lose. drool.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(prody @ Dec 31 2013, 12:08 AM)
Do you notice a trend?
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I was abt to say the same thing. Increasing foreclosures in a market that hasn't pop yet.
Imagine when POP .... 50% foreclosure....
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(hondaracer @ Dec 29 2013, 07:57 PM)
😎😎

💰💰🎉🎉🎈🎈🔫🔫💣💣

Are u an economist?? Work in BNM??

😎😎
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My real name is ZETI ....
Yes, I'm the Governor of Bank Negara .... hehehe... brows.gif

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post Dec 31 2013, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 30 2013, 11:58 AM)
Those who can & wanna hold, go ahead hold all u like.

We r targeting those majority who can't & don't wanna hold. :hehe

Similar to those day if u cannot afford to buy there r other who can now in reversed manner. .lol
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I got no problem with flippers or those who wanna hold.
Any persons who wanna take a gamble go ahead.
But don't blame other ppl when it all comes crashing down.

I also got no problem with ppl who wanna take advantage during the crash.
That's a fact of life. You are not wise with your finances, ppl who are wise will take advantage.
Rule of the Jungle.

I am just stating the facts abt economy and the boom and bust.
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 30 2013, 09:19 PM)
Noted. Luckily I am not a flipper.  sweat.gif
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Being a flipper is not wrong.
U just need to be smart to get out when market is too hot ... cool2.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Dec 30 2013, 09:38 PM)
Austerity measures? Where got?

Public sector employees still getting bonus.high pay.hire more. Spend more on building highway. Pay more for market price sugar. Fund more perkasa. Fly more Rosak-mah to Doha. Subsidy more Mas.
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Exactly! In this case, political aspect comes to play.
The keep public sector happy. The only ppl they can directly pay for their votes ... legally. shakehead.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 01:53 PM

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AUSTERITY MEASURE by Najib:
http://www.astroawani.com/news/show/najib-...-kerajaan-27616
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post Dec 31 2013, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 31 2013, 03:02 PM)
What I am afraid is the QE only taper 10%-20% (-$10b now). If QE is still in the >$50b region, how to have interest of >3% ? Those Americans are protecting themselves only. Taking advantage of their currency and make the rest of the world suffer
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FED plan to taper by 10bill per month until end of 2014. So expect interest rate to increase every month.

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post Dec 31 2013, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 31 2013, 03:23 PM)
I will bet with you they have no guts to do that  tongue.gif
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post Jan 1 2014, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(BTimes @ Jan 1 2014, 09:23 AM)
RPGT is a tax on profit, so it is still profitable.  But I don't think I will be selling.  Most Malaysians and Singaporeans are getting more affluent and population is increasing healthily (check household income data).  Everyone needs a roof over the head, so the general trend is stable or up.

If property price crashes, the government and industry will be mired in a lot of debt, which will downgrade the rating.  So it is counter to what the government has been doing to maintain the rating.
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Singaporeans, I'm not sure but Malaysians are definitely not getting more affluent. Let start with the gomen. They just started austerity measures. rclxub.gif
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post Jan 1 2014, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 1 2014, 09:26 AM)
Actually what is the point of boasting about strong holding power? The longer you need to hold (no suitable buyer/renter) the more money your investment drains out, unless one is sure the prop will be valued 3-4 times higher by the time you're ready to let go. But even then will there be enough profits for it to make sense after holding it for so long?
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THAT MY FREN ... MAKES ABSOLUTE SENSE!!!!
IF you are draining cash and the property increment does not compensate the negative cash flow over the years it's consider loss. Which makes it quite troublesome because you have to estimate when the property will pick up again and by how much.

Especially condo/apartmt that requires monthly installment. shakehead.gif
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post Jan 1 2014, 02:48 PM

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Btw, heard from my loan agent;
Banks are decreasing the discount rate on the interest rate.
i.e 6.5% - 2.2% = 4.3%
Later 6.5% - 1.5% = 5%

I'm not sure how much they will minus the discount. THe above number is just for explanation.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 1 2014, 02:46 PM)
1st yr, 0% up
COCR (w/rent) =  -40%

2nd yr, 0% up 
COCR (w/rent)  =  -48%

3rd yr, 0% up 
COCR (w/rent)  =  -46%
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Bro, wat is COCR? icon_question.gif
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post Jan 1 2014, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 1 2014, 03:03 PM)
I learnt this from showtime747, it is cash on cash return. It is a highly profitable operations by flippers in the past few yrs.
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Care to elaborate bro? Must you put in big cash deposit to reduce loan? Just guessing. blush.gif

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