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post Dec 6 2015, 09:05 AM

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The review for Philips B5 have come out...

Below is the link (review published on 4-Dec-2015):

http://www.whathifi.com/philips/fidelio-b5/review
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post Dec 6 2015, 09:07 AM

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And the candidates have increase again:
HT-RT5
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B5
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post Dec 6 2015, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(mujinkun @ Dec 6 2015, 09:05 AM)
The review for Philips B5 have come out...

Below is the link (review published on 4-Dec-2015):

http://www.whathifi.com/philips/fidelio-b5/review
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Oh, BTW, there is also a link for HT-RT5 review, but unfortunately I received access denied.

Dont know why...ahahaha

This post has been edited by mujinkun: Dec 6 2015, 03:18 PM
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post Dec 7 2015, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(replicator @ Dec 5 2015, 07:08 AM)
Wah. You get cheaper than me by RM100  vmad.gif

This might be silly question to ask you but have you enabled the HDMI-CEC option on your TV as this feature usually turn off by default.

I forced my TV and soundbar to use HDMI output/output instead of using PCM/SPDIF

You might want to try to change the HDMI cable as well because last time I use HDMI cable given by Sony for PS4 to connect to a samsung TV and it doesn't work. If connect to Sony TV using the same cable to PS4 it works. I have to use third party HDMI cable to connect samsung TV to PS4 and then after that I manage to get the video and audio output on the samsung TV

I don't have much experience anyway. I just lucky TV brand same as the soundbar brand laugh.gif
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Manage to get it working using the same HDMI cable supply by Sony. Need to turn off the auto off feature for AnyConnect. However after few hours turn off TV, connection lost again. sweat.gif

Already ordered new optical cable. The guy from Harvey Norman will send it tomorrow morning.

QUOTE(hengng @ Dec 5 2015, 02:33 PM)
Bro., Your RM1999 is 1 year warranty or 1+2 years warranty?

Cheers!
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1 year warranty.

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 6 2015, 12:09 AM)
What source are you playing?

Also, have you done your calibration yet? Understand that the included mic isn't really very good, it's better to manually set the audio levels by using a sound meter.
1. I explained before not to rely on HDMI ARC/CEC. It doesn't always work and this is exactly the prime example of it. Are you very sure you connected to right HDMI port on your TV though? Not ALL HDMI ports on the TV supports HDMI ARC, so you need to make sure you connect to the correct one.

2. Or why don't you just connect everything to the soundbar via HDMI instead? It's much better as you won't have to deal with audio delay.

3. That was generally the case a couple of years ago. But like I said, don't expect or assume HDMI ARC to always work flawlessly because it doesn't. Applies to every soundbar and AVR out there.
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Using Android TV box to play movies.
Done calibration.
1. Yes. Connected using HDMI ARC port at the back of my Samsung TV.
2. TV got 3 HDMI port. Port 1 for android box. Port 2 (ARC) for sound bar. Port 3 for HyppTV box.
3. Sure. Will get optical cable tomorrow morning.
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post Dec 7 2015, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 6 2015, 12:09 AM)
What source are you playing?

Also, have you done your calibration yet? Understand that the included mic isn't really very good, it's better to manually set the audio levels by using a sound meter.

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how do you do the manually set the audio levels using sound meter? i have set the sound mode to cinema/movie.. but the volume is pretty low when playing it.. only the music arena is loud enough..

any ways to solve d low volume issue ?
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post Dec 7 2015, 10:55 AM

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Some inquiries, what Soundmeter should we choose?
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post Dec 7 2015, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkantoi @ Dec 7 2015, 10:26 AM)
Manage to get it working using the same HDMI cable supply by Sony. Need to turn off the auto off feature for AnyConnect. However after few hours turn off TV, connection lost again.  sweat.gif

Already ordered new optical cable. The guy from Harvey Norman will send it tomorrow morning.
1 year warranty.
Using Android TV box to play movies.
Done calibration.
1. Yes. Connected using HDMI ARC port at the back of my Samsung TV.
2. TV got 3 HDMI port. Port 1 for android box. Port 2 (ARC) for sound bar. Port 3 for HyppTV box.
3. Sure. Will get optical cable tomorrow morning.
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I meant, why not just connect your android box and HyppTV directly to the soundbar, then send the sound to your TV?
It's much simpler.


QUOTE(Like a Bause @ Dec 7 2015, 10:30 AM)
how do you do the manually set the audio levels using sound meter? i have set the sound mode to cinema/movie.. but the volume is pretty low when playing it.. only the music arena is loud enough..

any ways to solve d low volume issue ?
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By playing a test tone and using a sound meter to measure the correct audible levels in relation to the distance you sit.

Generally, you want the front LR channels to be the exact same volume. The mid channel can either be the same or slightly boosted if you have difficulty hearing vocals.
The rears can be a little tricky, in a perfect environment you could set it to the same volume as the front LR. But unless you have designed-front-scratch HT room, this isn't actually that possible. I personally set it to 0.5 decibels lower than the front LR, but that's because I have them 0.8 meters directly behind my back. Correct rear speaker placement in a 5.1 setup is actually 30-45 degree behind the listener, not directly.

As for the source, is your player properly sending the correct signals to your RT5 or not?
Example, if you are playing a movie from your PC, is your PC configured to 5.1 in the audio settings and is your movie player using the correct bitstream format? Does your source even have at least DTS/DD5.1 encoded audio?

If from other players like say an android player or something, many of them downmix multi-channel source into 2.0 but still send out a wrong signal most of the time. People wouldn't notice it on their TV speakers because they are in stereo, but when you put it on a 5.1 setup then the difference becomes very obvious.

So yeah, make sure you have all the correct settings. I have no low volume issue, setting the volume to 26-28 is very adequate for me in any 5.1/7.1 movie/game. There are not effects that I could not hear or difficulty in discerning vocals.

Tip, set the listening mode to Standard (or Movie, since they're actually the same thing). All the other pre-sets are basically pre-EQ that kinda spoils the sound in one way or another.

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post Dec 7 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 7 2015, 12:14 PM)
I meant, why not just connect your android box and HyppTV directly to the soundbar, then send the sound to your TV?
It's much simpler.
By playing a test tone and using a sound meter to measure the correct audible levels in relation to the distance you sit.

Generally, you want the front LR channels to be the exact same volume. The mid channel can either be the same or slightly boosted if you have difficulty hearing vocals.
The rears can be a little tricky, in a perfect environment you could set it to the same volume as the front LR. But unless you have designed-front-scratch HT room, this isn't actually that possible. I personally set it to 0.5 decibels lower than the front LR, but that's because I have them 0.8 meters directly behind my back. Correct rear speaker placement in a 5.1 setup is actually 30-45 degree behind the listener, not directly.

As for the source, is your player properly sending the correct signals to your RT5 or not?
Example, if you are playing a movie from your PC, is your PC configured to 5.1 in the audio settings and is your movie player using the correct bitstream format? Does your source even have at least DTS/DD5.1 encoded audio?

If from other players like say an android player or something, many of them downmix multi-channel source into 2.0 but still send out a wrong signal most of the time. People wouldn't notice it on their TV speakers because they are in stereo, but when you put it on a 5.1 setup then the difference becomes very obvious.

So yeah, make sure you have all the correct settings. I have no low volume issue, setting the volume to 26-28 is very adequate for me in any 5.1/7.1 movie/game. There are not effects that I could not hear or difficulty in discerning vocals.

Tip, set the listening mode to Standard (or Movie, since they're actually the same thing). All the other pre-sets are basically pre-EQ that kinda spoils the sound in one way or another.
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thanks for the comment..

one more thing, do you face this issue of the sound bar always reset the input selection to USB whenever you start the sound bar ? if not mistaken, the standard and movie options didn't make the 2 back speakers work.. cinema mode works for both that speakers..
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post Dec 7 2015, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Like a Bause @ Dec 7 2015, 12:31 PM)
thanks for the comment..

one more thing, do you face this issue of the sound bar always reset the input selection to USB whenever you start the sound bar ? if not mistaken, the standard and movie options didn't make the 2 back speakers work.. cinema mode works for both that speakers..
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Have you updated your firmware on your RT5? IIRC, the launch firmware had this bug. The latest firmware fixed this issue.

Then it's 1 of 3 problems you are facing:

1) Your source/player is stereo, not multi channel.
2) You set 2ch Stereo in your Sound Effect under Audio Settings which downmixes ALL multi-channel audio to stereo.
3) Your Audio Output is set wrongly, usually set it to HDMI + Speaker.


Cinema mode takes any source and expands it to 9.1, virtually. So this is why even if your source is stereo, your back speakers has sound. But since you said your 2 rear speakers doesn't work, then it's probably because your source is stereo in the first place.

Read the manual, may not be a very good one but all these things are answered in there.
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post Dec 7 2015, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 7 2015, 12:42 PM)
Have you updated your firmware on your RT5? IIRC, the launch firmware had this bug. The latest firmware fixed this issue.

Then it's 1 of 3 problems you are facing:

1) Your source/player is stereo, not multi channel.
2) You set 2ch Stereo in your Sound Effect under Audio Settings which downmixes ALL multi-channel audio to stereo.
3) Your Audio Output is set wrongly, usually set it to HDMI + Speaker.
Cinema mode takes any source and expands it to 9.1, virtually. So this is why even if your source is stereo, your back speakers has sound. But since you said your 2 rear speakers doesn't work, then it's probably because your source is stereo in the first place.

Read the manual, may not be a very good one but all these things are answered in there.
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yeah.. i have updated the firmware.. but the input problem still arises.. will check again if there is still new updates..

hmm.. probably my source is the main culprit.. let me try on other sources first.. =]
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post Dec 7 2015, 02:30 PM

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HN Mid Valley currently have 2 sets Sony Ht-RT5 in stock.

Tried to ask can get RM1999 or not, but asked to provide the screenshot/picture.

Cheers!

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post Dec 7 2015, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Like a Bause @ Dec 7 2015, 01:58 PM)
yeah.. i have updated the firmware.. but the input problem still arises.. will check again if there is still new updates..

hmm.. probably my source is the main culprit.. let me try on other sources first.. =]
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You can de-select which input you do not want in the settings. Maybe try disabling USB input, set your input to HDMI 1 and then turn off the soundbar. Re-enable the USB input after that.

My RT5 remembers the input I last have it off.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 7 2015, 03:47 PM)
You can de-select which input you do not want in the settings. Maybe try disabling USB input, set your input to HDMI 1 and then turn off the soundbar. Re-enable the USB input after that.

My RT5 remembers the input I last have it off.
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cool cool.. will try out later..

hopefully it works for my unit.. =]
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post Dec 9 2015, 01:55 PM

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Anyone know whether Xiaomi Mi Soundbar 3 oredi been released ?
RMB999 only ..
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post Dec 20 2015, 01:35 PM

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Went to Pavilion Harvey Norman yesterday, kept negotiating the price for Sony HT-RT5 soundbar, told the salesperson I only will buy if he can give it to me at RM1888.00 plus I'm getting several other big appliances such as LED TV, Washing machine, Fridge etc.

He went to check with his manager then told me alright, RM1888.00. I was delighted then went to look at other stuff, next moment he walked over and said "Boss, sorry. HT-RT5 cannot sell you at that price because below cost, our cost is RM1900.00."

I was like...wtf. No mood anymore....LOL. Anyway I don't blame him as people make mistakes. Told him I will conclude a month later when my house reno is ready. I read Sunway Harvey is selling at RM1999.00, any other better offer out there?

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QUOTE(Xccess @ Dec 20 2015, 01:35 PM)
Went to Pavilion Harvey Norman yesterday, kept negotiating the price for Sony HT-RT5 soundbar, told the salesperson I only will buy if he can give it to me at RM1888.00 plus I'm getting several other big appliances such as LED TV, Washing machine, Fridge etc.

He went to check with his manager then told me alright, RM1888.00. I was delighted then went to look at other stuff, next moment he walked over and  said "Boss, sorry. HT-RT5 cannot sell you at that price because below cost, our cost is RM1900.00."

I was like...wtf. No mood anymore....LOL. Anyway I don't blame him as people make mistakes. Told him I will conclude a month later when my house reno is ready. I read Sunway Harvey is selling at RM1999.00, any other better offer out there?
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HM good for checking out how a model perform. If looking for the best price, I doubt they can give.
Since you were at Pavilion, why not waste some time at Desa Home theater at Lowyat plaza? Their price are pretty good especially when they are doing old sock flushing.
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post Dec 21 2015, 03:17 PM

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I called DesaHome Theater Kepong for HT-RT5...unfortunately no bring in.

Do you think DesaHome Theater Lowyat have the stock?
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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 21 2015, 11:27 AM)
HM good for checking out how a model perform. If looking for the best price, I doubt they can give.
Since you were at Pavilion, why not waste some time at Desa Home theater at Lowyat plaza? Their price are pretty good especially when they are doing old sock flushing.
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Will go Desa Home Theather within these 2 weeks. Thanks!
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I went to ask HN Paradigm mall and was given lowest price RM2250 at first. After I told them ppl can get RM1999 he hesitated then only reluctantly said RM2050.

Wanted to buy but salesman very arrogant and tidak apa attitude so no go.

Btw, display price is RM25xx for 5yrs extended warranty.
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QUOTE(Xccess @ Dec 21 2015, 03:29 PM)
Will go Desa Home Theather within these 2 weeks. Thanks!
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But sometimes I not that happy is, not all will carry the same offer between branches, like this has so and so equipment for sale, another does not have.

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