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weiann
post Jan 12 2015, 12:36 AM

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what about the yas-103 & 203? since my budget is same as most of the forumer here less RM 1.5k?
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post Jan 12 2015, 02:59 AM

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hey guys, I saw the Philips Fidelio E5, really interested in it. But can't find it anywhere, even in harvey norman. Any leads, guys? Also, you guys know the price?

Thanks
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post Jan 14 2015, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(weiann @ Jan 12 2015, 12:36 AM)
what about the yas-103 & 203? since my budget is same as most of the forumer here less RM 1.5k?
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I haven't listened to it enough to make any big judgement call on it. But the YAS-203 did impress me as usual with most Yamaha soundbars. Well balanced, forward mids with good seperation and detail. The highs is quite energetic, considering it doesn't have twitters (correct me if I'm wrong).

The sub is unfortunately the same model from the NS-Px range of 5.1 speakers except it's wireless, so it's very entry level and does not have enough depth to compliment the soundbar IMO.
It's also unrefined and I think Yamaha did a mistake by matching it an entry level NS sub. But cost cutting is how they are bringing the soundbar to you at 1.5k or less.

But the deal breaker here is that the YAS-203 only has optical, coax and analog in. While it's nice to have both DD and DTS decoding, most TVs does not pipe DTS through its optical out. Not even all TVs will passthrough DD through its optical out either.
Then the second issue where optical passthrough can introduce audio sync issues, optical was never made for passthroughs so that's a whole other thing to remember when buying soundbars with limited connections.

QUOTE(runemastertan @ Jan 12 2015, 02:59 AM)
hey guys, I saw the Philips Fidelio E5, really interested in it. But can't find it anywhere, even in harvey norman. Any leads, guys? Also, you guys know the price?

Thanks
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Unfortunately, it's not available here... yet.
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post Jan 15 2015, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(aichiban @ Jan 9 2015, 01:55 AM)
Found this thread late.
But got myself the 9100 for under 2k,
Forgot 1.5 or 1.8k, with the complimentary media player
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Hey bro, price for 9100 below 2k is great. Mind to share where you got it? Thanks.
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post Jan 16 2015, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(leech777 @ Jan 15 2015, 03:06 PM)
Hey bro, price for 9100 below 2k is great. Mind to share where you got it? Thanks.
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i was mistaken
it was 2.4k sweat.gif
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post Jan 17 2015, 05:04 PM

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Is that yamaha yas-201 value for money at rm899?
Thx .
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:08 AM

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Just wanna let you guys know that Sony has discontinued the CT770 soundbar. Most places are now out of stock, including Sony's own retail stores.

Only place I know of that still has a few left is Harvey Norman at the moment, of which they are clearing out at a price of RM1399.

So to those who wants the 770, get it now. Not sure what Sony's replacement will be for it yet. But I suppose they'll be refreshing the ST series first.
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post Jan 28 2015, 08:00 AM

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Was going to get this (CT770) but after listening to Pioneer SBX N700, I opted for the later. A bit pricier than the Sony.
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post Feb 2 2015, 12:59 PM

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looking for good sound bar, budget around 2-3K, any recommendation?
Yamaha 2500 is in my list, but need you all comment for other soundbar too.
Heard that Philips 9100 also not bad.
which one is better?
thanks first

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post Feb 2 2015, 06:13 PM

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9100 no longer available, earlier I have paid deposit to order but it was refund. Finally I go for YSP 2500.
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post Feb 3 2015, 06:17 PM

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So, finally got a brief listen to the Philips HTL9100 successor the Fidelio B5.

The good news, it sounds just as good as the HTL9100. The rear speakers now have auto volume adjustment based on how far you them apart and from your sitting position.
Previously, the rear speakers on the 9100 will play at the same volume of the 9100 and the only way to reduce the rear volume was to actually move the speakers further away from you. On the B5, the speakers will automatically adjust the volume so that rear audio is always lower than the front audio (which is how proper multi channel setups are done).

So sound quality wise, everything still stands. Nice, upfront midrange with a good sub that has authority and depth. Treble is nicely balanced and is there when the source needs it without sounding too harsh. Soundstage is again extremely wide due to the fact that the B5 is a 4.1 setup.

But there's where the good news end. For whatever reason, the sample that I got to test and also another unit that I re-tested at a store, there's distortion. I used a variable amount of sources (from games to demo discs to actual movies), but there's distortion on the soundbar itself (not the sub).
This was not present in the 9100, but for whatever reason the high-mids runs into distortion when the soundbar gets stressed (very apparent in action scenes). No amount of EQ solved the problem either, so it's definitely a driver limitation (of which again, didn't occur on the HTL9100).

I cannot talk about the battery life of the rear speakers, the HTL9100 tops out at 7 hours at 60% volume. Philips rep is telling me the rear speakers will hit 10 hours now at least, regardless of volume level but I'm skeptical about that.

Price of the Fidelio B5 is still RM2999. Recommended? I don't think so. I'd suggest to go hunt and snatch up the remaining HTL9100 that are being sold for under RM2.3k at the moment instead.
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post Feb 5 2015, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 3 2015, 06:17 PM)
Price of the Fidelio B5 is still RM2999. Recommended? I don't think so. I'd suggest to go hunt and snatch up the remaining HTL9100 that are being sold for under RM2.3k at the moment instead.
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Somebody mentioned that there were problems with the Astro decoder remote with the HTL9100. Is it also a recurring problem with the B5?
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Feb 5 2015, 06:21 PM)
Somebody mentioned that there were problems with the Astro decoder remote with the HTL9100. Is it also a recurring problem with the B5?
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Didn't try. I don't use Astro.
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post Feb 6 2015, 10:51 AM

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a quick question
any sub rm1.5k mia 5.1 HTS support bluetooth A2DP, HDMI passthrough, optical input? icon_question.gif


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post Feb 6 2015, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Feb 6 2015, 10:51 AM)
a quick question
any sub rm1.5k mia 5.1 HTS support bluetooth A2DP, HDMI passthrough, optical input? icon_question.gif
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Sony CT770.
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post Feb 11 2015, 06:11 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 3 2015, 06:17 PM)
So, finally got a brief listen to the Philips HTL9100 successor the Fidelio B5.

The good news, it sounds just as good as the HTL9100. The rear speakers now have auto volume adjustment based on how far you them apart and from your sitting position.
Previously, the rear speakers on the 9100 will play at the same volume of the 9100 and the only way to reduce the rear volume was to actually move the speakers further away from you. On the B5, the speakers will automatically adjust the volume so that rear audio is always lower than the front audio (which is how proper multi channel setups are done).

So sound quality wise, everything still stands. Nice, upfront midrange with a good sub that has authority and depth. Treble is nicely balanced and is there when the source needs it without sounding too harsh. Soundstage is again extremely wide due to the fact that the B5 is a 4.1 setup.

But there's where the good news end. For whatever reason, the sample that I got to test and also another unit that I re-tested at a store, there's distortion. I used a variable amount of sources (from games to demo discs to actual movies), but there's distortion on the soundbar itself (not the sub).
This was not present in the 9100, but for whatever reason the high-mids runs into distortion when the soundbar gets stressed (very apparent in action scenes). No amount of EQ solved the problem either, so it's definitely a driver limitation (of which again, didn't occur on the HTL9100).

I cannot talk about the battery life of the rear speakers, the HTL9100 tops out at 7 hours at 60% volume. Philips rep is telling me the rear speakers will hit 10 hours now at least, regardless of volume level but I'm skeptical about that.

Price of the Fidelio B5 is still RM2999. Recommended? I don't think so. I'd suggest to go hunt and snatch up the remaining HTL9100 that are being sold for under RM2.3k at the moment instead.
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what u mean is if we ignore the volume control and bluetooth on the detachable speakers, b5 sound is not as good as htl9100 which is due to distorion?
from philips sound FB, the B5/12 Fidelio SoundBar will be sold at RM3,199 exclusively in Harvey Norman and Seng Heng by end of January.
as original pricing of htl9100 is RM2999

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post Feb 11 2015, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(nobody82 @ Feb 11 2015, 06:11 AM)
what u mean is if we ignore the volume control and bluetooth on the detachable speakers, b5 sound is not as good as htl9100 which is due to distorion?
from philips sound FB, the B5/12 Fidelio SoundBar will be sold at RM3,199 exclusively in Harvey Norman and Seng Heng by end of January.
as original pricing of htl9100 is RM2999
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Yes, at least on the 2 samples that I heard. There was distortion in the 1000hz range, which wasn't presnt on the 9100. I've already directed this to Philips and they know the issue.

Price is RM2999 at Harvey Norman now actually.
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post Feb 11 2015, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Feb 5 2015, 06:21 PM)
Somebody mentioned that there were problems with the Astro decoder remote with the HTL9100. Is it also a recurring problem with the B5?
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I just bought a more cheaper Philips soundbar model and yes philips remote interfere with Astro decoder..I'm yet to search online for any remedy but use my Sony tv remote to control the volume (Hdmi-cec feature)
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post Feb 12 2015, 02:44 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 11 2015, 12:36 PM)
Yes, at least on the 2 samples that I heard. There was distortion in the 1000hz range, which wasn't presnt on the 9100. I've already directed this to Philips and they know the issue.

Price is RM2999 at Harvey Norman now actually.
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i see, not sure Philips will resolve this or not haha
it is only happen when volume is max?
and just the front speakers in the soundbar or the detachable surround speakers?
distortion in long run will break the speaker, right?
putting high hope on b5 since it is the htl9100 replacement and upgrade
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QUOTE(chipun @ Feb 11 2015, 04:55 PM)
I just bought a more cheaper Philips soundbar model and yes philips remote interfere with Astro decoder..I'm yet to search online for any remedy but use my Sony tv remote to control the volume (Hdmi-cec feature)
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I tried 2100, 9100 and 9550 all interfere with Astro remote control.



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