i think you guys dont understand the client very well. Does your website guarantee sales and profit through the look of the design.

you guys should provide marketing solution.

clients not interested in technical and design. they dont think like you. if your website generate profits, you have the right to charge them but what if it doesnt. Can your idea guarantee the client business? Can you see what he/she is thinking at his office table. While talking to the client, swap your roll for a while and thinks like him.

If i am any of you, i would love to see my website marketing idea works . im not interested in only designing, there's a lot of things to bring them together like advertisment and domain name.

look for longer term business and it works . Eg. Printer's price nowaday is cheap but not the Ink. See what im trying to explore your business and marketing outlook. Charge low first but get that extra perks in a hidden manner that works for you and also the client.

Welcome to the business world. by the way, im not a designer anymore. use to be but retires already due to cold treatment in the industry. I can see the world much better than i once live inside the box. ( the creative world - where most creative people believe in, they were stucked for good not realizing that they were getting more sophisticated and debating the same thing , loosing grip of other things and anti-social ). think outside the box only makes you live inside the box longer. Let it Go!

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 21 2007, 12:06 AM

most of my client can cough out more but how many designer can do marketing campaign as well. not many.
goldfries, you miss out something in your article .

you have mention every reasons for business to own a website and you know what? What if?
company has 1000 items like gifts, accesorys , apparels which constantly change and updated. What do you do as a business owner? Obviously they dont have the time to sit there and update the details.

focus on Online business or open a Retail Shop ?

there's a limitation when business products are tangible. If running a Corporate Website like SPA or Hair saloon website, the approach is different. Not all websites work for the type of businesses. People dont like buying hair pin from website.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 21 2007, 09:25 PM

I do agree website is as important in any other form of marketing campaign. It leads the information from a simple name card to more information behind the mission statement of the company .

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i think nowadays, all this corporate employees are still fan of Frank Sinatra or Elvis. Most of them still not parting with the company and hogging the new generation from taking their position. Therefor they dont understand the needs of younger generation.

goldfries, guess we r in the same shoes. seen it and done it. dealing with people who refuse to see the lights from a dark cave is like talking to somebody who don't need help in the first place.

Even worse were those who pretended to make you buy his expression but no sign of confirmation. time wasted is like 2 to 3 hours sitting thru the presentation for the sake of getting a longer break.

These were the old geeks that refuse to adapt and change.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 27 2007, 08:23 AM