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post Mar 23 2014, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(nubJeff @ Mar 23 2014, 06:32 PM)
Arghh...why so difficult get into bank industry in Singapore?! Is it much more higher chance if I walk in to Singapore for interview instead of sending resume through online?They reject me like without considering, night send..next day morning rejected.
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Sure la. You are competing with the herds of indians just off the plane knocking on doors for a banking job. These ppl have the experience and qualification(although the uni nvr heard before) and willing to work hard for a pittance and most importantly can talk and sell themselves. What do you have above and beyond them?
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post Mar 23 2014, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Mar 23 2014, 10:02 PM)
The SG based ones at the bottom of the post.

http://letznetwork.blogspot.sg/2011/07/lea...ndian-ceos.html

From a CNA interview, the Asia CEO of Standard Chartered is apparently a Punjabi man.

With so many in the top position, imagine how many of their countrymen have been installed below them and perpetuating the hiring and promotion practices.
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Not forgeting they only hire their own kind.
Once the banks hire 1 indian in the dept esp a det head, soon the entire dept will be staffed by indians.
They will somehow think of a way to hire their own kind and push the rest out.

Just look at the banks in SG. Citi, Stand Chart, ANZ, HSBC, etc. When you go to some departments you don't even realise you're in SG. You could well be forgiven to think you're in India.
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post Mar 23 2014, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(nubJeff @ Mar 23 2014, 10:56 PM)
Lol bro, you sounds familiar with SG bank culture. I guess you also working in bank industry, got lobang help me in?Lol. brows.gif
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Nope.Quit the banking industry for sometime liao
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post Mar 24 2014, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Mar 24 2014, 02:19 AM)
India 2nd most populated country in the world, still acceptable for Indian CEO heading the Asia part. CEOs and the management are also employees. They still need to answer to their boss which is the board, who need to answer to the shareholders. All these still under the tight control of the authorities here. Anything illegal, unfair employment etc, authorities step in, can pack bag go Changi airport or Changi prison already.
My department still majority locals, only one Indian, but the guy is LSE grad, should be competent enough. If you think there is any biased selection/discrimination during the recruitment process, you can complain to the bank or the authority. They will investigate for sure. I heard people got sacked and charged because of this. I don't know you, but I certainly won't risk my job and future for some countrymen I barely know. For relatives and friends who are applying, we have to disclose the relationship and most of the time another department head will take over the interview process to avoid complication.
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You are from HSBC, right?
I was told by my friend that the credit risk dept is majority that race.

At the end of the day there is a thousand and one reason the hiring manager can give to hire that particular person.
A person can have a certain profile or that person can have a certain amount of experience. You can't really sack a person because the hiring manager choose to hire, for example, entirely indians nationals with a certain profile. Afterall, as the hiring manager HE is the one who will be held accountable for the performance of HIS subordinate.

HR is just for formalities.
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post Mar 25 2014, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(razo2 @ Mar 25 2014, 02:56 PM)
First thing, that is just a joke. We are here to just chat and have fun time.

In offshore and marine. Even locals are telling me the young ones are not willing to take it up. I met so many young fellas quit the job after 1 year. Just in my company alone more than 10 fellas left (all Singaporeans). Not bad pay; get OT, waiting time and offshore rate (USD per day). Some even left after 1 month. We foreigners have to endure all this to keep your port, rigs and vessels working. Your core industry also your locals dont want to handle, then who will?

Send me your kids resume and I can tell you they cant last one month, nonetheless in their life time. And this is from a "foreign" engineer's perspective.

All want office job. I cant blame them if you want office job, but someone has to do the cowboy's job. No alibaba will build your stuff out of thin air.

So, if I take this job is more like contributing to your country's main industry that is keeping you and your family alive. Be thankful that you get the office job and people have to work offsite for your sake.
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Once again be careful of what you're joking about in a public forum.

One might argue that Anton Casey was also joking when he posted those "famous quotes" and see where that leads him to.

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post Mar 27 2014, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Mar 27 2014, 11:41 AM)
Can't say much about the policy of the company, I can only say, the management knew, the board knew, the shareholder knew... since long ago. Different level has their own criteria and I am sure every level weighted the pros and cons before deciding. They only start to react after the cons is more than the pros. For my say already like no say statement, "Rest assure, we know (loooooooong ago before the public even notice it). And steps have been taken. All applications are considered on a fair basis." laugh.gif

My department deal mostly with the local and SEAs clients. As you said, people tends to like working with someone they can click with, so are the clients. We are still quite safe until the day the tycoons are all foreigners in this region... I am also lucky my boss are not those penny wise and pound foolish kind of person, few thousands difference in salary is peanut compared to the funds that come in.
Lucky no need to go there. They always send the locals to come fix my laptop.
There is only one reason that is acceptable to your boss when they audit check you or the hiree can not perform. We are all employees, we can't do whatever we want, we just execute what the company policy wants.
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Well, I'm not saying they are not following procedure or policy. Its just that as a hiring manager when hiring an employee , if all else being equal, tend to favour someone with similar cultural background. Its human nature. Even if it was up to you when hiring an employee and assume you short listed final 2 candidate. If 2 of this candidate are the same or about the same in terms of experience, salary and attitude, I'm sure you will go for the one with similar cultural background as yourself, correct?
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post Mar 28 2014, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Mar 28 2014, 05:01 PM)
It very much depend on the person whether he/she want to be bias based on the similar background or not. By doing that, he/she act unprofessionally. A time bomb that one day may hit back at you. Will you put your job at risk just to bring in someone you think you can work better with from the 1-2 hours of communication? My answer - no.I won't let myself be stuck at that scenario where all things equal and only the cultural background is different. Normally we have another round of interview for those kind of case, throw them few sets of papers and judge base on scores. If everything else fails, do coin flips, 2 out of 3. thumbup.gif
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Well, I certainly don't want to bring in people who i think can't work with me from the 1-2 hours of communication, i can say as much as that. Point is, in the real world (unless you know the candidate personally) 1-2 hours of communication is all you got. Sure, you can do reference checks but that is also not 100% fool proof, is it?
At the end of the day, as a manager, I want people who can work with me. If he can't work with me, if he's always creating problems for me, why should I waste my precious time to manage him, right?

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post Apr 12 2014, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(handsomeguyz @ Apr 11 2014, 11:49 PM)
For me I can save around 2k a month. In malaysia I save ntg.
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Save SGD2k from a SGD3k a month salary? Blimey, you must live one hell of a spartan life.


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