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post Sep 10 2014, 09:58 AM

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Hi sifus,

Below are my outstanding loan :
Housing Loan - RM 133k (Interest 2.85%) --> Staff Loan.
Credit Card O/S - RM 14k (Interest 15%)
Credit Card O/S - RM 1.6k (Interest 12.90%) --> Convert CC into PL.
PTPTN - RM 9k (Interest 4%)
ASB Loan - RM 104k (Interest 4.85%) --> Staff Rate.

Below are my savings :
ASB - RM 30k (Total RM 130k include ASB Loan)


Extra savings per month around RM500 - RM800.
My plan is to pay off Credit Card O/S as soon as possible. Any technique how I can pay off quickly the CC?
I don't want to touch RM 30k cash in ASB because that is my emergency fund.

Hope you all can advice me.



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post Sep 10 2014, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 10 2014, 11:14 AM)
1. Divide which one will make u money (investments) and lose you money (liability) and rank them

Housing Loan - RM 133k (Interest 2.85%) --> Staff Loan. - Good debt (less than ASB)
Credit Card O/S - RM 14k (Interest 15%) - VERY BAD
Credit Card O/S - RM 1.6k (Interest 12.90%) --> Convert CC into PL. - BAD
PTPTN - RM 9k (Interest 4%) - Good debt (less than ASB)
ASB Loan - RM 104k (Interest 4.85%) --> Staff Rate. - Good debt (less than ASB)
ASB - RM 30k (Total RM 130k include ASB Loan) - ~8% PA
Extra savings per month around RM500 - RM800.

14k debt @ 15% will cost u ~175 extra a month, which is really bad. I SERIOUSLY urge you to consider using the ASB to clear it.
@800 a month, you'll need about 19 months to get back to 30k. If a true emergency comes (which it rarely does), you can always get a personal loan or credit card quick cash.
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Thanks polkiuj for the reply.
The CC debt is my TOP PRIORITY to clear. I plan to dump 7k dividen from ASB straight to CC.

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post Sep 10 2014, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Sep 10 2014, 12:00 PM)
U should really consider to pay your credit card outstanding..

The interest is so high, not worth for you to even drag it

Total of credit card outstanding is about RM15.6k so why not settle it.. Not worth to compensate the interest for the outstanding just to use ASB  as your emergency fund.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll consider to take out 10k and the balance 4k from my wife's ASB.


QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 10 2014, 12:19 PM)
My suggestion is to clear it all. This debt is not worth having. It's losing you money for no reason.

A true (normal) emergency rarely requires 30k instantly. If not instant, you can easily obtain loans.

Of course, we seeing this from the POV that u have a decent credit score.
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True that. 16k is sufficient as emergency back up.


QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 10 2014, 12:32 PM)
IMHO, on the emergency - it may not be too smart to rely on loans when in an emergency itself.
a. one's CCRIS or credit worthiness may be problematic during the emergency.
b. >=RM30K needed instantly is possible. Thus far, i've seen it happening to me 3 to 4 times already.
Pls note - i'm not a big-shot with lifeSTYLE but generally a worker like most folks.
Thus, if it can happen several times to me... (maybe i'm UNluckier than most tongue.gif )

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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Thanks for the advice.. smile.gif


QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 10 2014, 12:55 PM)
Hello Navink,
So you're in the forum seeking advise again.  biggrin.gif

No need to wait the dividend la... just clear the 14k debt out of the 30k in ASB. Still got balance of 16k. Then re-built the savings again...

But to be careful, you got to know how you got into the cc debt in the first place. Among the top rules or advise in personal financial management is paying the credit cards in full. If not able to do so, this means living above the monthly paycheck.

If it was a one-time big purchase/expense, this is what the savings are for. No point having savings, but using credit card instead of the savings.
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Thanks. The debt is accumulated over the years when I'm in 20's. Now at 34 years, I think the debt and the monthly payment is not worth to pay for CC. Will try to be more prudent when spending thru CC.

QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Sep 10 2014, 01:53 PM)
Yape.. that was what i am wondering.. a balance of RM16K should be sufficient to be noted as emergency fund.
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Thanks. That is why this forum really helps. smile.gif


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post Sep 10 2014, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 10 2014, 03:14 PM)
I was shaking my head, because I read that reply (in blue) to me first.... and then need to edit and re-write this post after reading the first sentence.  sweat.gif

I wonder how much interest the cc debt had compounded over the years.  biggrin.gif
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The first rule of using credit card is ALWAYS PAY THE BALANCE IN FULL.

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LOL.  laugh.gif
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I stop spending my cards since last year.. Since 2013, I managed to close my car loan n personal loan.
Now i'm targetting to pay off CC so I can close all my bad debt and fully concentrate on savings n investment..

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post Sep 11 2014, 11:46 AM

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First of all, I would like to say THANK YOU to all the comments. You guys really take time to explain in details / not in details the cons of having the CC debt. I've decided to settle the CC debt by this week. rclxms.gif

Thank you.. notworthy.gif
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post Sep 11 2014, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 11 2014, 11:55 AM)
Congrats!  I hope you will enjoy ur lack of high interest debts which can allow u to focus on ur savings and investments. Don't forget to spend time with your family and friends and try not to be Uncle Scrooge hehe. =)
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Hopefully I can live happily without ANY BAD DEBT. rclxm9.gif
The CC debt eaten RM800 on monthly basis.. Now that RM800 will go straight into ASB. icon_rolleyes.gif

Again Thank You. notworthy.gif
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post Sep 11 2014, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Sep 11 2014, 11:58 AM)
remember to cut up your card! or stash them far far away.
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Yup.. Plan to change card that have zero annual fees. Any recommendation?

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post Sep 11 2014, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Sep 11 2014, 12:12 PM)
All CC and banks can waive annual fees if you are a good pay master with 0 outstanding monthly
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usually i need to call them and they'll say i need to swap a certain times for that month to waive the thing... thinking of switching cards within the same bank or different bank that comes with 0 annual fees.

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post Sep 12 2014, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(td00164306 @ Sep 11 2014, 06:38 PM)
There are some good personal loans out there offer cash at a much lower rate than credit card. Why don't you try that?

14k is not a lot.
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Thanks but I don't want to create another "bad" debt. Since my savings is more than enough to cover the debt, I'll just pay it off.

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post Sep 12 2014, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 12 2014, 03:20 PM)
So what's the normal PL, higher than the 10% flat rate I shown as an example?

Had never taken any personal loan (yet)... but always got calls from the bank people offering to credit cash into my account, and the offers were getting lower and lower from about 6% down to less than 5%.

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Okay, let's say you can pay on time every month... and the interest rate is 15%
Again using the online calculate, we need to hit 8.2% to get 15.01% effective interest.
I think the person you reply to was on another topic already...  smile.gif
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errr.. me still here.. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 17 2014, 09:07 AM

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Hi sifus,

Below are my current situation :
Housing Loan - RM 133k (Interest 2.85%) --> Staff Loan.
PTPTN - RM 9k (Interest 4%)
ASB Loan - RM 104k (Interest 4.85%) --> Staff Rate.

Below are my savings :
ASB - RM 14k (Total RM 114k include ASB Loan)
Extra savings per month around RM1k - RM1.2k.


From the above outstanding loans, should I close any of the loans or should I start savings.
Your opinions is greatly appreciated.

This post has been edited by navink: Sep 17 2014, 10:00 AM
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post Sep 17 2014, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Sep 17 2014, 10:06 AM)
yes..best reduce any outstanding loan.
I dont mean to ask you Nett INCome- which is PnC.

best try to reduce nt necessary expenses monthly.
Made a goal yourself to solve your PTPTN withing 1-2year.

IF you keep dragging the outstanding- LOAN interest still charging you.
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For PTPTN, I just pay RM100 monthly. smile.gif
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post Sep 17 2014, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Sep 17 2014, 10:53 AM)
this mine opinion said.

Look for the loan with highest incurr interest and timefram able to settle asap.

The less Debt then the less interest your will burden.
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Aware of that.. biggrin.gif
ASB giving me around 7% dividen (if I start savings) while PTPTN charge me with 4% interest.
Year end, I'll receive around 6k cash from ASB as dividen and thinking of putting it there or paying PTPTN.

I'm paying less for PTPTN as per instruction by PTPTN. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 17 2014, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 17 2014, 03:39 PM)
All the loans you never mention monthly payment.
With that extra rm1-1.2k savings, I'll settle PTPTN loan first, follow by ASB loan, last your housing loan.
When you are 0 loan, then you will have more savings and you will know better where your money is going.
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Below are my current situation :
Housing Loan - RM 133k (Interest 2.85%) --> Staff Loan (RM918 @ 15 years)
PTPTN - RM 9k (Interest 4%) RM100
ASB Loan - RM 104k (Interest 4.85%) --> Staff Rate. (RM550 @ 30 years)

As for ASB loan, I believe the loan will be self sustain after a year if I decided wanna use the RM550 for different purposes.
Housing Loan, I can withdraw for Acct 2 EPF to pay a lump sum payment to lessen the period. (is it a good idea?)
As for PTPTN, I'm paying lesser than my astro. smile.gif Do you think I need to pay off RM9k lum sump or keep it in ASB and take the dividen to pay it off slowly.


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post Sep 17 2014, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 17 2014, 03:30 PM)
If all these are effective rates, then u dun need to settle anything unless u have certain reasons to do so.

E.g. Applying for 3rd house loan and wanna get 90% loan.

If not, rejoice for ur ultra low interest rates. ASB will be the best investment without any likely risk.
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Thanks for the advice. Yes. All this are effective rates. smile.gif
Plan to do savings in ASB which return 7%. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 17 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Sep 17 2014, 04:31 PM)
Mine opinion...other ppl can hv different from mine  whistling.gif

Do you need to hv ASTRO?
2ndly - what your INCOME - becoz every month your debts repayment is RM1568 montly.
I doubt you can buy hse at KL except your salary monhtly is above rm5.4K monthly.
A) I presume rm500k condo for 35year; monthly repayment minimum rm2.2k.
If you take Total Debt = RM2.2K +rm1.5K = rm3.7k
Which Bank will use 1/3 as debt ratio servicing;

in summary you need to hv SALRY rm8.1k in order to buy rm500k
Formula
Z= you salary
( z - rm1.5k ) x 1/3 = rm2.2k
B)Maybe we scrap rm500k condo= we take rm300k condo
Loan monthly repayment minimum will be rm 1.3k
If you take Total Debt = RM1.3k +rm1.5K = rm2.8k

Which Bank will use 1/3 as debt ratio servicing;

in summary you need to hv SALRY rm5.4k in order to buy rm300k
Formula
Z= you salary
( z - rm1.5k ) x 1/3 = rm1.3k
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YES. I need to have astro. smile.gif
My salary is around 5.5k and I bought the house in 2005. The housing loan is for RM134k for 15 years at 2.85% so the monthly is RM918 due to staff loan (just started this year after confirmation).
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post Sep 17 2014, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 17 2014, 06:03 PM)
Just another question, what is the total %(rm1568) from your net income?
As far as possible, don't use EPF's money but settle either ASB or housing first, after PTPTN. Astro I will cut also, Streamyx/Unifi will be better.
Again, is depending to your life style.
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Around 32%.
As for ASB loan, I treat the loan as my "forced savings account".
Furthermore I don't think I wanna cancelled it or settle it earlier. Where else can you find interest rate of 4.85% in return of 7.5% (not include bonus)?
For housing loan, the interest rate is just 2.85% due to staff loan.

Compare RM100k in ASB (return 7.5%) vs RM100k to settle the housing loan (interest rate 2.85%) . Which one you prefer?
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post Sep 17 2014, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 17 2014, 06:56 PM)
Congrats... you are all set for the rest of your life!

I would not touch anything further to reduce those cheap loans...

1. Don't touch EPF to reduce the housing loan.
2. Just continue paying 100/mth to the student loan.

ASB is paying you more than what you would lose in PTPTN. Like-wise,  EPF is paying you more than what you would lose in the house loan in interest. So, don't withdraw from the former to pay the latter. Pay them out of your monthly salary.

3. Save at least 100/mth into ASB.
By my calculations, you would incur about 1,700 in total interest paying the student loan, clearing it in 107 months.

If you put 100/mth into ASB at the same time, there will be about 4,000 in total interest, and total amount of 14.8k.

4. Continue with the ASB loan. Complete whatever financial objective you have initially started. Change the method only if you have a alternate method to reach the objective... you don't change objective without considering why you need to change the objective. (You don't move the goal posts nearer simply because you can't kick the ball hard enough.)

Lastly, the loans help to reduce your discretionary income... pay the installments first thing upon getting salary...
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Sifu have spoken..m notworthy.gif

That is the reason why I think I can gain more by savings in ASB rather than paying off the low interest loan. smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2014, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 17 2014, 08:44 PM)
With your recent experiences, you are now a sifu too in your own right... and can share with newbies what you have learnt... thumbup.gif
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hahaha.. me no sifu.. sometimes you need to get few advice so that you can get the best way to settle an issue. smile.gif

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post Sep 18 2014, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Illusion20 @ Sep 17 2014, 04:23 PM)
hey guys,

i'm not sure whether this is the right place to ask..or to tempat merayu..

i need some advice regarding my debt issue and how to manage it ,all this debt i've accumulated because i was having family problems, since a few years ago. 3 months ago my mother passed away.

i started working in this company for almost 4 years as fresh graduates. With starting salary of rm2k, what i can say, thank god, i got increment every 6 month. fast forward middle of last year my salary was revised to 4k from 3.3k,2.9k,2.7k,2.5k and 2k. last jan my salary was 4.3k and now during mid year appraisal on July, i had my increment to 5k basic, and my director promised me to increase more on this january appraisal, provided i'm working hard and subject to all other management approval.

it was just a few months ago that i used up all my saving,pl money,and cc maxed out. that time i dunno what to do, and all i wanted was going back hometown to be with my mother and support my family.. i was about to default all my payments,resign from my company and just balik kampung. i told my boss my situation, he asked me not to resign. he asked me to take unpaid leave, and do whatever i have to do.

fast forward, here i am still working in the company, and thinking how to pay all this debt... and sometimes i fell kinda regret, why i didn't change job much earlier, when all my colleagues who left getting minimum 7k only for 2 years experience. and I've been here for almost 4 years but i'm happy with what i'm doing in this company.

so, the breakdown for now and coming forward, since my father told me not send give him money as nowadays he can manage things with his pension( i still give him btw, just lower)

as far as i remember, i do not have any late payment, and as for cc, normally i will pay more than minimum everymonth.
easyrhb pl = monthly 1028, normally i will pay 1.1 or 1.2k tenure left 51 month with 35k to clear
maybank cc  = 4.5k limit 5k
citibank cc= 4k limit 12
aeon cc = 4k limit 6k
standard chart cc = 197 p.m balance transfer of 6k, still 32 from 36 months
ptptn = 40k left, last year paid 10k,,which i regret why i didn't save the money. now pay only when i have excess money

now my monthly other payment
car persona = 539 - SI still have 70 months to go
motor = 225 - SI - still have 2 years to go.
rental = 250
unifi  = 169 another one year contract left(claimed from office rm50 another 40 from housemate)
allianz insurance = 179  -
gym = 179 contract one year left

misc like top up, etc.. around rm 200
bike fuel, minimum rm25 for 300km..nowadyas i refill once a week, so like rm100 or so
the rest is for my living expenses.
car is only used for balik kampung.. like 4 full tank(rm75) everytime i balik kampung. i had to because i still have my grandmother in hometown.. and i will go on balik kampung every 2 months starting this month.

so, after i paid all of thees, will have around 600 left for my monthly expenses, not including fuel. if i had to go hometown i had to use cc..

and i just paid 500 for this coming raya qurban for my late mother.

oh ya, i forgot to tell, i'm 27 and single working in private sdn bhd SAP Consulting company. now i only have rm1k left as my savings and i use gym and fasting as to reduce my weight since i'm fat. .
i really need some advice as i dunt really know what to do..and i don't want to go akpk too..
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bro.. do you know what is the interest rate for each credit card?
is it cheaper to convert all this CC into "transfer balance" program with 0% interest? with this, i think you can pay off it within a year.

as for ptptn, what is your "kos pentadbiran" per month? if you didn't pay your ptptn, it will increase your overall "baki keseluruhan pinjaman".
imagine if your kos pentadbiran is RM100, it will added up RM1.2k per year in your overall PTPTN loan.

as for other expenses, i'm no sifu to advice. settle your debt 1st, then tackle the unnecessary expenses.

p/s : i also have few "bad" debt in 2012 consist of personal loan 20k, car loan 10k, cc debt 25k but managed to solve this issue. if i can do it, you also can do it.

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