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employers not fond of msian uni grads?, something to ponder on..
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SUSTheOwl
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May 21 2014, 04:19 AM
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 24 2013, 12:14 PM) Are you hinting that statistically, students tend to do better in Soalan Aneka Pilihan (SAP) than in Essay-type questions (long answers) or Problems/Computational questions?  I would say it's a FACT. Many students are unable to handle computational questions bcs they cannot analyse or think logically. They are unable to handle essay-type questions bcs they are weak in language,esp'ly english and poor in logical thinking/analysis. Bcs of spoon-feeding and the lack of reading they cannot write on questions that require some facts. I've seen exam transcripts of of Form 4/5/6 students and undergrads. How could they expect to be given 15-25 marks by writing a one-sentence answer to an open-ended question like ... Why do you agree or disagree? The answer - I agree bcs ...or I disagree bcs ... that's all. No elaboration. They do not know how to present their case,how to argue for or against etc,how to persuade the readers to agree with their views which they dun seem to have. That's the low quality of students and graduates today. There are also masters and Phd students of such low calibre. You should read the kind of sentences these post-grad students write. Even those at the NUS can't write well. I've seen some in my time.
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SUSTheOwl
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May 22 2014, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 21 2014, 11:05 PM) well, u cant take the few u know and generalize it across the whole school... apparently those u know arent up to par, ppl say if u wanna be successful u gotta mix with the right ppl which u arent doing... also internationally, ppl dont agree with what you're saying bout nus I'm not just saying about NUS. It's happening all over the world at almost all the unis except perhaps the ivy leagues. It's the falling standards all over the world but it's worse in MY. How do you know I'm mixing with the wrong people? Dun tok like you know me. I could be doing better than you,you know and perhaps I am too so dun patronize.
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SUSTheOwl
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May 22 2014, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 22 2014, 08:03 AM) if it happens all over the world then its not a comparison point... with u saying 'except perhaps' means u are not too sure? standards arent dropping, because it is set by the general student population at that time and in fact it is going up not down due to competitiveness and increase population for the good schools well, u already mentioned bout u seeing some of them in your time, i didnt mention it... It's okay. I'm not in the frame of mind to argue or to explain further. The good schools are an exception. Generally,the standards are going down everywhere.
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SUSTheOwl
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May 23 2014, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 22 2014, 09:51 PM) bro, constructive arguments mer..  anyway... thanks for sharing Yeah bro,thx for sharing too. You must forgive me bcs I had some serious problems to handle so could not explain further. Yes,arguments should be constructive so we learn. I wasn't talking about the top schools but even some good schools have seen standards dropping. It's a worldwide phenomenon but in MY it's generally very bad. If they simply admit spm holders who had never studied/worked hard thru'out their school career into matric,then uni what do you expect?
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SUSTheOwl
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May 23 2014, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 22 2014, 02:12 PM) In public universities locally, the quality of graduates produced is getting bad from each passing year. Not too say that private unis are much better but most at least try to maintain their standards due to the competitive nature of this business. In public universities, the fees payable are so much less and despite the deteriorating standards, they are never short of students in filling up the places. I agree. The public unis are picking up all the trash. The private ones are no better bcs they have to survive so all those rubbishy ones who can afford the exorbitant fees are more than welcomed. These are the copy-pasta/copy-cat students who are actually "unemployable". In my time I've spoken to so-called graduate who cannot understand a basic simple question which many primary 3 bright kids could easily understand. I used to get application letters written in real trashy English which I never bothered to read.
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SUSTheOwl
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May 23 2014, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 22 2014, 01:53 PM) hi there... the question is not whether enough or not... the question is whether they are up for high value employment.. 1. u can just handpick a few and use them as an example.. we should look at the cohort in general.. not the top 90% percentile... 2. petronas is a glc, intel in msia is a manufacturing cost centre... rm3k i must say is a reasonable pay in msia... but internationally, its not very good I agree with both 1 and 2.
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SUSTheOwl
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May 27 2014, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 27 2014, 03:56 PM) When I advertise for vacancies, I asked them to write to my email address and most send their cv. When I find them ok, I call for an interview and normally ask them to fill up a form. I dont ask them to fill up the form now as most need about 1 hour to fill up the form and passed it back to me later.  goodness 1 hour? Sounds like you're joking but I'm not surprised at today's graduates who dun seem to understand basic English. Thank God,there are also some good ones around. The teruk ones are those who dun make an effort to improve themselves.
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