Less then your budget...

Talk to him lah. I might get in trouble putting prices here... You don't want that right....

This post has been edited by Mov_freak: Oct 22 2013, 11:00 PM

Well, to be frank, my experiences on sub is still limited and hard to judge solely based on sub because we do not just listen to only sub in any shop.

My recommendation is EarthQuake Minime P12, which is a 12" that can do as low as 18 hz. Good enough for me.

Mind to elaborate more of u impression on LX87? Movie, stereo...

hmm... not quite understand that u mention on [12" that can do as low as 18 hz]. what to do with the 18hz?

To select a sub the lower the hz can go the better. SVS can lower than 18hz, so theoretically is better. In practical it is a better sub as well

Movies and concert BD experinces are fantastic with clarity and details that never heard before... Basically another level as compare to normal Marantz or Onkyo. I can give 9/10.

Stereo music wise.... a bit complicated. Details got, depth so-so... So later I switch to using CD player analog output where depth improved, but details and clarity drop. So far cannot find good general solution on the stereo music. I can give 4/10.

Anyway, dun get me wrong on the not-so-good stereo music playback, most people speakers should already has a limit on hearing the bottleneck. Some more most ears cannot ears the differences much... So still okay to most people including the experinced one.

Thus for LX series users, serious recommend to buy another set of stereo amp.

Our amp can usually do between 10Hz to 100kHz. A good sub must be at least doing 20Hz on the low side for deeper feel. Cheap sub is about 30Hz where hardly can feel the deep depth stuff.

Thanks for you sharing.
Maybe the older model LX-90 Susanno is doing better in stereo?

What do you think if LX86/87 compare to Denon 4311?

No experinces on Denon....

Any1 willing to sponsor me the Denon for 2 weeks evaluation?

Hopefully I can get a Yamaha soon...

Btw, I think the Pioneer LX86 and 87 should be the best for movies... For 2 reaons;

(1) I hear it, damn good and impressed
(2) Even in KL intertional video audio show, most demostration are using pioneer after all. Assume they had done thier homework.

This post has been edited by chanhin: Oct 23 2013, 02:20 PM

Last time i owned pioneer vsx-ax2as (thx selec 2 cert.) then i want upgrade to HD sound...i bought onkyo not sure the model but it was THX selec 2 also, price around 4.5k
sorry to say it cannot beat pioneer sound especially when i try play around with THX mode...i owned only one week then sent it back ...replace with pioneer LX82...
this situation is 5 years ago, now im not sure onkyo improving or not...

agree with u i dont have thx format disk but for pioneer but when you setting your system with pioneer thx speaker setting even though your speaker not thx certified, trust me you can
feel different especially your sub and surrbck..

What is class D you can google it bro...and pioneer is pioneer in THX class D av receiver if i' not mistake...

Matyeo is right, for class D defination, can google.

Here has some human understanding of defination of Class D;

(1) Nothing wrong with details and clarity, proven in LX-87
(2) When you play to max power ratted, the distortion is much worst than Class AB, which completely unacceptable for music.

Anyway, there is no worry, with the Pioneer, max rated is about 200 watt, how to use to the max in home? First bottleneck is speakers.

While for class AB maxed out power, distortion could be detected at small detailed, which is not that bad as compare to class D.

And for Class A, I think hardly can detect any issue when max out power...

Again, all these not important in reality...

Btw, when you guys trying to max up all the rated power for any reason, be very careful on the multiple speakers connection using single amp output. If you do parrellal connection too much, the amp is very very hot and easily burn it.

This post has been edited by chanhin: Oct 23 2013, 02:39 PM

Reading of your experience makes me wanna try out Pionner Elite

Does the Advance MCACC comes with Bass correction?

im not sure what you mean by bass correction but mcacc for LX series got extra menu for sub setting ...
and pioneer dont have sub trim like others...

bro...if you really like watch movie more...pioneer LX is good chioce ..

Just ask yourself this - Do you want a sub for accuracy, or you want a sub that can let your heart feel the "thumb" , especially during explosion?

Oh, is the mean MCACC have room correction for low frequency as well? But I thought it only correct until 60Hz (not sure)

Well, time to hunt for a LX series!

SS2 hi way laser carry a lot if pioneer AVR models

I in Penang state

Normally SenQ and Harver Norman do have it as well. You can try your luck

Vince, PM me if you looking for spkrs.

So far in hifi world, very very rare things can impressed me... And these are the very few;

(1) LG 84" UDHD TV - my house can fit, but my wallet cannot afford
(2) Focal Electra series speakers - super realistic sound, but too bad not pocket friendly.
(3) Pioneer LX-87 for BD experinces (movies and concert). Please insist to get those DTS-HD Master. And use very good mid and high freq speakers. Example: KEF Q series

So 1+2+3 will be the ultimate Home theater setup for those who have deep pocket