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post Oct 14 2013, 02:42 PM

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Wait a minute.

they dont have enough trains to pull cargo and their solution is to raise passenger ticket price???

adakah penyakit kebodohan yang menular di dalam kabinet Perdana Menteri telah merebak ke KTM juga???
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:00 PM

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post Oct 14 2013, 07:07 PM

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post Oct 14 2013, 07:16 PM

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I am dumbfounded how each and every time a GLC privatised company makes a loss will state cheap fare/fee as a reason.

For god sake, you have no direct competitor and you still can make a loss. Pure idiots I would say. If you dont know how to run a business, let someone else do it.


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post Oct 14 2013, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:16 PM)
I am dumbfounded how each and every time a GLC privatised company makes a loss will state cheap fare/fee as a reason.

For god sake, you have no direct competitor and you still can make a loss. Pure idiots I would say. If you dont know how to run a business, let someone else do it.
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the point of a monopoly is to charge as high a price as you can (actually, to charge as high a price at the same time limiting production, but that's too detailed). when the price is regulated and you CANT charge as much as you want - say, 5 times what it is now - there's really no point being a monopoly now, is it?

dumbfounded no more.
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:40 AM)
Govt should expedite double tracking so as to improve competitiveness on railway against other transport mode.

KTM Intercity ridership dropping, while ETS ridership is increasing. Yet.....less than half of the network is electrified and double tracking, but motorways are almost anywhere in the peninsula.
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Intercity ridership is dropping because of inefficiency & slow, something which i think double tracking will not fully solve

A fully double tracked network with personnel operating in the same mentality and work ethic will be fail just the same
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:31 AM)
Ticket machine project has failed.
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inefficiencies and songlap banyak sangat...naikkan tambang pun tak akan dapat jadi profitable.

beli tren set komuter songlap, tiket sistem songlap, double tracking pun songlap. dont say no songlap when ktm's costs are way more than equivalent purchases by other countries' operators.
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 14 2013, 07:26 PM)
the point of a monopoly is to charge as high a price as you can (actually, to charge as high a price at the same time limiting production, but that's too detailed). when the price is regulated and you CANT charge as much as you want - say, 5 times what it is now - there's really no point being a monopoly now, is it?

dumbfounded no more.
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which comes back to what I said in my post. If a company has total monopoly of the train business and still make a loss, baik tutup saja.

A smart firm will be able to fully monetize its asset rather than letting it lay dormant or generate zero income while still setting reasonable fare.


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QUOTE(779364 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:34 PM)
which comes back to what I said in my post. If a company has total monopoly of the train business and still make a loss, baik tutup saja.

A smart firm will be able to fully monetize its asset rather than letting it lay dormant or generate zero income while still setting reasonable fare.
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then you kinda lose the point of glcs (or state owned enterprises, in other countries).

it's like this: certain services are intrinsically unprofitable - like postal services, utilities etc - especially in small market and more so in rural areas. the only way to provide these services is to up the price or basically not provide that service at all.

now, if there isnt any glc-loss-making-monopoly running, you'd only see services in the urban areas. not just transport, but also of basics - electiricty, water etc. if i were the owner of tnb, i would never invest the capex to connect the poor rural areas because i'll never earn the money back.

and if i were the owner of tnb, i'd maximise my profits - i'd charge as much as i want for the electricity (actualy as far as mc=mr). you cant pay? too bad. hospitals need electricity? then you better charge your patients more to afford my bills. my responsibility is to my shareholders - and since i'm the owner, that means me.

so then you'll have the people calling for the govt "oh please nationalise tnb and make it state-owned so that we'd get cheap electricity and we'll give you our votes" - and we're back to square one.

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post Oct 14 2013, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:58 AM)
Every station have lubang so people ride free. Half the train full of indon and bangla because too cheap.

Time to double the price.
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full of bangla and indon cuz too cheap?

so by increasing the fare,bangla and indon wont ride?

what kind of logic is this?

bangla and indon earn more than a local student

so,if increase the price,bangla and indon probably still able to afford it

but how bout the student?

come on man.what kind of stupid logic is this
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:51 PM

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Other companies slash cost by reducing workforce but KTMB sacrifice quality just to keep their workforce. Confirm sure die la!
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 14 2013, 07:51 PM)
Other companies slash cost by reducing workforce but KTMB sacrifice quality just to keep their workforce. Confirm sure die la!
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:53 PM

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I just dunno why the KTM commuter so slow...

It makes me turn off to take this transportation. dry.gif rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:52 PM)
Union power is strong  biggrin.gif
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do they get strong bonuses?
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QUOTE(xpole @ Oct 14 2013, 07:53 PM)
I just dunno why the KTM commuter so slow...

It makes me turn off to take this transportation.  dry.gif  rolleyes.gif
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so far 3 out of 5 times sure regret.. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:53 PM)
do they get strong bonuses?
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I am not sure, but one thing is definite, they have strong influence in KTM in a number of issues smile.gif For example, the issue of privatisation and restructuring.

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post Oct 14 2013, 08:04 PM

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domino effect from malaysias public transportation perception..

increasing fare will only fix 10% of the problem. the volume still goes to driving cars to work. and yet ppl still complaining bout car prices lol
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post Oct 14 2013, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 14 2013, 07:48 PM)
full of bangla and indon cuz too cheap?

so by increasing the fare,bangla and indon wont ride?

what kind of logic is this?

bangla and indon earn more than a local student

so,if increase the price,bangla and indon probably still able to afford it

but how bout the student?

come on man.what kind of stupid logic is this
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Malysia students are not poor.
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post Oct 14 2013, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Oct 14 2013, 08:38 PM)
Malysia students are not poor.
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yes
some malaysian student are poor

some of them dead poor

some of them eat once a day,and its only maggy

This post has been edited by amon_meiz: Oct 14 2013, 08:39 PM
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post Oct 14 2013, 08:46 PM

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can..u dun need rocketsci to figure why KTM not break even ~

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