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post Oct 14 2013, 09:22 AM, updated 13y ago

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By Sharen KaurPublished: 2013/10/14

FARES REVISION OPTION: KTMB needs RM550m revenue to break even, says president


KERETAPI Tanah Melayu Bhd (KTMB) needs to ring up a revenue of RM550 million a year to break even, says its president Datuk Elias Kadir.

But the national railway company is far from being profitable, as its current revenue is in the region of RM330 million to RM360 million a year, Elias told Business Times recently.

KTMB, which employs 5,500 people, runs cargo, commuter and inter-city services.

Its bread and butter is cargo. But the business has dwindled because of the lack of operating locomotives, Elias said.

KTMB targeted a revenue of RM266 million from cargo last year but achieved RM140 million.

Elias said 58 locomotives were required to achieve the target but only 44 were in operation.

The rest could not be used as they had not been maintained, while for some, the works were halted due to issues with contractors. Due to this, the load factor fell by as much as 30 per cent.

Elias said a revenue of RM550 million is achievable if current fares for cargo, commuter and intercity services are revised accordingly.

The last time the fares were raised was in 1982 for cargo and 1992 for commuter services.

“The revised rates will help double revenue.

Our rates for cargo are the cheapest compared with other modes of transportation,” Elias said.

KTMB has been recording losses since its corporatisation in 1992. It did, however, post net profits of between RM9 million and RM15 million from 1993 to 1995.

For fiscal year 2012, KTMB recorded a net loss of RM284 million on revenue of RM361 million.

Operating loss was RM275.6 million, attributed to the company’s high yearly expenses of around RM600 million, Elias said.

He added that KTMB spent an average RM250 million a year on wages, RM200 million on fleet and infrastructure maintenance and the rest was direct operating cost.

“We are working on reducing our yearly expenses to RM500 million. The potential for cuts is there. We will not slash our workforce,” Elias said.

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post Oct 14 2013, 09:25 AM

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They separate woman coach n mens coach was a big mistake..there are many vacant seat for woman coach

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250mil / 5500 = 3700/month per person hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Oct 14 2013, 09:25 AM)
They separate woman coach n mens coach was a big mistake..there are many vacant seat for woman coach
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Even worse when single wimminz purposely sits at mixed coach even during peak hours doh.gif mad.gif
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post Oct 14 2013, 09:28 AM

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main prob is
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The rest could not be used as they had not been maintained, while for some, the works were halted due to issues with contractors. Due to this, the load factor fell by as much as 30 per cent.

but solution is raise fair ... lol! fuking genius strategy ....

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post Oct 14 2013, 09:31 AM

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Ticket machine project has failed.
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post Oct 14 2013, 09:31 AM

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nowadays all malaysian company claimed theirs is the cheapest in the region, in the south east asia, in the asia, in the asia pacific, in the world huh?!? 58 of your train loco suppose to work for you.. why it didnt?! its your internal problem. dont drag your internal issues to the end users as we just dont care... fix the issue and start working..
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post Oct 14 2013, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(s@ni @ Oct 14 2013, 10:27 AM)
Even worse when single wimminz purposely sits at mixed coach even during peak hours doh.gif mad.gif
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some enjoy the taboos ..
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post Oct 14 2013, 09:34 AM

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they giving free couch entrance to vmen and now saying they are in losses?

ask them changes their strategy not to empahsis on price increase
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post Oct 14 2013, 09:35 AM

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They want more people and companies to use their services and they plan to do this by increasing the fares?
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post Oct 14 2013, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:31 AM)
Ticket machine project has failed.
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they failed never mind...they can tax back the money from citizen
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They want more people and companies to use their services and they plan to do this by increasing the fares?
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Govt should expedite double tracking so as to improve competitiveness on railway against other transport mode.

KTM Intercity ridership dropping, while ETS ridership is increasing. Yet.....less than half of the network is electrified and double tracking, but motorways are almost anywhere in the peninsula.
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post Oct 14 2013, 09:41 AM

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increase fare to 1 fold la
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QUOTE(cangkui @ Oct 14 2013, 09:31 AM)
nowadays all malaysian company claimed theirs is the cheapest in the region, in the south east asia, in the asia, in the asia pacific, in the world huh?!? 58 of your train loco suppose to work for you.. why it didnt?! its your internal problem. dont drag your internal issues to the end users as we just dont care... fix the issue and start working..
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when your price is set artificially low by the govt for social purposes, there wont be enough money to expand (or maintain) your business even if you are a monopoly.

even if you're the only char kuey teow seller in malaysia, if the govt sets your price at 1rm per pack when the cost of your ingredients alone is above that, you're maknig losses every day.

the only way is to get huge capex investments in order to increase your scale and get a lower per pack average cost. what ktm should do is to either float on the stock market, or do a large bond sale backed by its assets (or whatever it hasnt turned into collateral yet).
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 14 2013, 09:44 AM)
the only way is to get huge capex investments in order to increase your scale and get a lower per pack average cost. what ktm should do is to either float on the stock market, or do a large bond sale backed by its assets (or whatever it hasnt turned into collateral yet).
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Listing in stock market is no no for KTM. That is because it will open itself into takeovers, for which parties now perceive that some companies wanted to takeover KTM just for its land rather than for its transport service.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:46 AM)
Listing in stock market is no no for KTM. That is because it will open itself into takeovers, for which parties now perceive that some companies wanted to takeover KTM just for its land rather than for its transport service.
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you can just open up a minority position (or even sell non-voting shares - although probably not much demand in that).

in any case, there's a lot of assets and value (as you mentioned, land being one of them) that ktm can unlock to get the funds for capital.
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Every station have lubang so people ride free. Half the train full of indon and bangla because too cheap.

Time to double the price.
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 14 2013, 09:44 AM)
when your price is set artificially low by the govt for social purposes, there wont be enough money to expand (or maintain) your business even if you are a monopoly.

even if you're the only char kuey teow seller in malaysia, if the govt sets your price at 1rm per pack when the cost of your ingredients alone is above that, you're maknig losses every day.

the only way is to get huge capex investments in order to increase your scale and get a lower per pack average cost. what ktm should do is to either float on the stock market, or do a large bond sale backed by its assets (or whatever it hasnt turned into collateral yet).
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The rest could not be used as they had not been maintained, while for some, the works were halted due to issues with contractors.

issues with contractors should not be bragged out to the news yoo..


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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Oct 14 2013, 09:25 AM)
They separate woman coach n mens coach was a big mistake..there are many vacant seat for woman coach
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exactly.
it's reasonable on the old 3 coaches.
but 6 coaches? c'mon.....
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Wait a minute.

they dont have enough trains to pull cargo and their solution is to raise passenger ticket price???

adakah penyakit kebodohan yang menular di dalam kabinet Perdana Menteri telah merebak ke KTM juga???
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post Oct 14 2013, 07:00 PM

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If send come genius into KTMB, result will different.
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Prasarana takeover it la
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I am dumbfounded how each and every time a GLC privatised company makes a loss will state cheap fare/fee as a reason.

For god sake, you have no direct competitor and you still can make a loss. Pure idiots I would say. If you dont know how to run a business, let someone else do it.


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QUOTE(779364 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:16 PM)
I am dumbfounded how each and every time a GLC privatised company makes a loss will state cheap fare/fee as a reason.

For god sake, you have no direct competitor and you still can make a loss. Pure idiots I would say. If you dont know how to run a business, let someone else do it.
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the point of a monopoly is to charge as high a price as you can (actually, to charge as high a price at the same time limiting production, but that's too detailed). when the price is regulated and you CANT charge as much as you want - say, 5 times what it is now - there's really no point being a monopoly now, is it?

dumbfounded no more.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:40 AM)
Govt should expedite double tracking so as to improve competitiveness on railway against other transport mode.

KTM Intercity ridership dropping, while ETS ridership is increasing. Yet.....less than half of the network is electrified and double tracking, but motorways are almost anywhere in the peninsula.
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Intercity ridership is dropping because of inefficiency & slow, something which i think double tracking will not fully solve

A fully double tracked network with personnel operating in the same mentality and work ethic will be fail just the same
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:31 AM)
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inefficiencies and songlap banyak sangat...naikkan tambang pun tak akan dapat jadi profitable.

beli tren set komuter songlap, tiket sistem songlap, double tracking pun songlap. dont say no songlap when ktm's costs are way more than equivalent purchases by other countries' operators.
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 14 2013, 07:26 PM)
the point of a monopoly is to charge as high a price as you can (actually, to charge as high a price at the same time limiting production, but that's too detailed). when the price is regulated and you CANT charge as much as you want - say, 5 times what it is now - there's really no point being a monopoly now, is it?

dumbfounded no more.
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which comes back to what I said in my post. If a company has total monopoly of the train business and still make a loss, baik tutup saja.

A smart firm will be able to fully monetize its asset rather than letting it lay dormant or generate zero income while still setting reasonable fare.


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QUOTE(779364 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:34 PM)
which comes back to what I said in my post. If a company has total monopoly of the train business and still make a loss, baik tutup saja.

A smart firm will be able to fully monetize its asset rather than letting it lay dormant or generate zero income while still setting reasonable fare.
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then you kinda lose the point of glcs (or state owned enterprises, in other countries).

it's like this: certain services are intrinsically unprofitable - like postal services, utilities etc - especially in small market and more so in rural areas. the only way to provide these services is to up the price or basically not provide that service at all.

now, if there isnt any glc-loss-making-monopoly running, you'd only see services in the urban areas. not just transport, but also of basics - electiricty, water etc. if i were the owner of tnb, i would never invest the capex to connect the poor rural areas because i'll never earn the money back.

and if i were the owner of tnb, i'd maximise my profits - i'd charge as much as i want for the electricity (actualy as far as mc=mr). you cant pay? too bad. hospitals need electricity? then you better charge your patients more to afford my bills. my responsibility is to my shareholders - and since i'm the owner, that means me.

so then you'll have the people calling for the govt "oh please nationalise tnb and make it state-owned so that we'd get cheap electricity and we'll give you our votes" - and we're back to square one.

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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:58 AM)
Every station have lubang so people ride free. Half the train full of indon and bangla because too cheap.

Time to double the price.
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full of bangla and indon cuz too cheap?

so by increasing the fare,bangla and indon wont ride?

what kind of logic is this?

bangla and indon earn more than a local student

so,if increase the price,bangla and indon probably still able to afford it

but how bout the student?

come on man.what kind of stupid logic is this
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Other companies slash cost by reducing workforce but KTMB sacrifice quality just to keep their workforce. Confirm sure die la!
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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 14 2013, 07:51 PM)
Other companies slash cost by reducing workforce but KTMB sacrifice quality just to keep their workforce. Confirm sure die la!
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I just dunno why the KTM commuter so slow...

It makes me turn off to take this transportation. dry.gif rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:52 PM)
Union power is strong  biggrin.gif
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do they get strong bonuses?
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QUOTE(xpole @ Oct 14 2013, 07:53 PM)
I just dunno why the KTM commuter so slow...

It makes me turn off to take this transportation.  dry.gif  rolleyes.gif
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so far 3 out of 5 times sure regret.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:53 PM)
do they get strong bonuses?
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I am not sure, but one thing is definite, they have strong influence in KTM in a number of issues smile.gif For example, the issue of privatisation and restructuring.

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domino effect from malaysias public transportation perception..

increasing fare will only fix 10% of the problem. the volume still goes to driving cars to work. and yet ppl still complaining bout car prices lol
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 14 2013, 07:48 PM)
full of bangla and indon cuz too cheap?

so by increasing the fare,bangla and indon wont ride?

what kind of logic is this?

bangla and indon earn more than a local student

so,if increase the price,bangla and indon probably still able to afford it

but how bout the student?

come on man.what kind of stupid logic is this
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Malysia students are not poor.
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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Oct 14 2013, 08:38 PM)
Malysia students are not poor.
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yes
some malaysian student are poor

some of them dead poor

some of them eat once a day,and its only maggy

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can..u dun need rocketsci to figure why KTM not break even ~

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