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post Oct 6 2013, 12:55 AM, updated 13y ago

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What's the difference apart from the size?
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post Oct 6 2013, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 01:09 AM)
macro filter would be something like Raynox DCR-250 I believe, it attaches to the front of the lens.

a macro extension tube on the other hand, is placed between the lens and the camera body.
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QUOTE(kalakatu @ Oct 6 2013, 02:00 AM)
unlike macro filter, extension tube doesnt have any glasses
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So the result is exactly the same?

QUOTE(alpha001 @ Oct 6 2013, 02:04 AM)
filter degrades the quality of pics
it lil sharp on centres and worst at corners

here is image i took using 10x hoya filter
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Thx for sharing, but can crop hmm.gif . U got take any macro shots of insect with that filter b4?
Extension tube also got this prob?
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post Oct 6 2013, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(kenary820 @ Oct 6 2013, 08:32 AM)
I own 100mm macro, but most of the time the subject is to small. The raynox help reducing the minimun focus distance for more magnification. For me, I no longer use the ET as high chances dust get into the sensor. My fav combo however m43 body, olympus 40-150mm + raynox. Its light, cheap combo and importantly still do the job.
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Raynox is different from ET and macro filter? rclxub.gif Macro lens not enough? Still need to add raynox?
Now I see there's 4 solutions for macro which is macro lens, raynox, ET and macro filter.

QUOTE(kalakatu @ Oct 6 2013, 10:03 AM)
nope.
any additional glass, especially the low quality glass will degrade ur photo quality. usually it'll decrease the sharpness and contribute to more CA.

ext tube doesnt have glass, so no changes in the photo quality.

still, macro filter is much more easier to be used compared to ext tube
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Thx. What's CA?

QUOTE(kalakatu @ Oct 6 2013, 10:13 AM)
some samples. taken with 50mm + ext tube:

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The quality looks okay for me hmm.gif

QUOTE(alpha001 @ Oct 6 2013, 11:04 AM)
sure can crop, but it will be different story, the quality will not be the same

i taken few photos of ants and flowers before, quality not really that great, raynox will do better job i guess
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Like this I think not acceptable for me. Thx for sharing.

QUOTE(melnikor @ Oct 6 2013, 03:30 PM)
100mm with raynox 250

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100mm is macro lens?
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post Oct 7 2013, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(melnikor @ Oct 7 2013, 12:19 AM)
yeah 100mm L macro
i also add ET for normal shot .. only use raynox for close up, or very small insect
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^ Example of normal shot? hmm.gif
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post Oct 7 2013, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(melnikor @ Oct 7 2013, 12:34 AM)
without raynox

with raynox
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Thx for sharing, but can I see some samples from the macro lens alone (50mm preferred)? Sorry if I'm asking too much.

QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 7 2013, 12:36 AM)
daniel, if you don't already know, macro lens can be used as a normal lens like any other prime lens to focus on everyday subject, just that macro lens allow you to get very close to the subject. if you're really interested in macro, straight get the macro lens. macro lens usually have higher optic quality, but with smaller aperture and longer focal length.

for E mount version, 30mm isn't very long but still not very convenient as multipurpose lens. but if that's what you want, it's better than spending extra money to try all sorts of macro lens alternatives to end up giving up and buy the macro lens.
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Eh I didn't know that smile.gif . So 30mm isn't convenient to be used as a multipurpose lens, but is it ok for portrait at least?

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post Oct 7 2013, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 7 2013, 01:11 AM)
that lens is 45mm equivalent, while lumia 800 is 28mm equivalent, which is about 1.6x of lumia 800. you can always try setting your phone to 1.6x and see if you like the field of view.
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This 1 right? http://www.sony.com.my/product/sel30m35 Wonder why they call it 30mm when its focal length is not 30mm.

I checked the max aperture of both the 16-50 kit lens and the macro lens above, both same. Advantage of kit lens is shorter/adjustable focal length and 3x optical zoom, advantage of macro lens is ability to shoot macro. Sounds alright to ditch the kit lens for macro? Can save some money. hmm.gif But since the focal length of kit lens can go until 75mm, it should mean that it will have better bokeh in non-macro shots compared to macro lens?

Tough decision but I'm leaning towards keeping the kit lens. Any inputs?

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post Oct 7 2013, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 7 2013, 09:55 AM)
it is a true 30mm, but on a smaller sensor compared to full frame, you get smaller crop. to get the same field of view in full frame (35mm format), it's 1.5x of aps-c, which is 45mm. so people use the full frame 35mm format as the standard for equivalent. like Nokia 808 actual focal length is 8mm, but to make it equal to 35mm format for easier interpretation, it's actually 26mm.
save money. it's interchangeable lens camera, you'll start to invest quite a few more lens in the future. smile.gif
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I expected u to suggest me to keep the kit lens as adviced by u few days ago when I was comparing with prime laugh.gif , may I know why it's different when I compare with macro lens?

This macro lens vs the standard kit lens, which will give more detail in pictures of non-macro shots? Ignoring the focal length.

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post Oct 7 2013, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 7 2013, 03:05 PM)
I am still a noob in macro

But macro lenses will allow you to get much closer for smaller insects, and should focus better and easier too (Assuming you are using an NEX-3N + Kitlens at the moment)  icon_rolleyes.gif
Summore macro lenses can be used for normal shots too, although they in general focus slower than prime or kitlens  hmm.gif 

A quick Google search revealed that the 30mm macro lens doesn't seem to be very good at optical quality, especially soft at the corners  hmm.gif
But can't really expect too much since its pretty affordable  laugh.gif
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Soft corners hmm.gif , I googled also....actually I dun think it's gonna be obvious. But optic quality (excluding the corners) for non-macro shots on both day/night, kit lens or macro will win?

On a side note those features in http://snapsort.com/cameras/Sony-Alpha-NEX-3N-specs like in-camera HDR, 25 focus points, RAW support, 30sec long exposure and good dynamic range will still be there if I change lenses?

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post Oct 7 2013, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 7 2013, 04:23 PM)
i mean, save more money and top up for the macro lens along with the kit lens package. biggrin.gif

or, save up for adaptor and macro lens from other manufacturer. the good thing about the NEX is the focus peaking is dead easy to use. smile.gif

2nd part of your post, it really depends on the optical quality of the lens, the better the quality, the higher the price. so the SEL30M priced at RM999 retail, i wouldn't expect too much quality though it should be better than the kit lens. i never try the macro lens, only playing with demo unit at KLCC. phone them and see if they have SEL30M for demo, and bring along your SD card.
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Got adaptor means can use DSLR macro lens?

QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 7 2013, 04:25 PM)
Wah, a bit hard to compare there since both are different type of lenses man laugh.gif
Personally I think soft corners may be a problem for macro since you don't always frame your subjects in the middle right?  hmm.gif

As for the features, no worries, they will be around even if you switch lenses  rclxms.gif
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Dunno, usually macro I will crop laugh.gif . But I've seen a bunch of sample pics on Flickr, looks very good to me. Soft corners then soft corners only lor, no choice rclxub.gif . My budget only 2k including the camera, can't top up.
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post Oct 7 2013, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 7 2013, 04:43 PM)
RM2k is pretty good already yo brows.gif

Can get either NEX-3N + kitlens + a fancier lens; or even a NEX-5R + kitlens brows.gif
I would recommend going for the NEX-5R instead, better ergonomics and controls thumbup.gif
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Ergonomics I dun really care, but what control?
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post Oct 8 2013, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 7 2013, 05:02 PM)
That extra dial on the upper right will help a lot in getting you the settings you want as compared to none on the NEX-3n nod.gif
Definitely worth it  nod.gif

Not to mention you get touchscreen for easier access to functions etc.
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How much is NEX 5R?
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post Oct 8 2013, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 8 2013, 09:30 AM)
Not sure how much the NEX-5R costs now that the NEX-5T (~RM1950 with kitlens) is out.
But do expect the price to be cheaper. Since the NEX-5T doesn't really have much upgrades from the 5R, the 5R is the better pick, especially if you are on a budget  icon_rolleyes.gif

I think you should stick to the kitlens (I don't think they sell NEX body only), and invest in some cheap extension tubes. That should be within your budget nod.gif
Play around with it first, when you are familiar with macro already and when budget permits, then get a dedicated macro lens  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 8 2013, 01:35 PM)
that seems always a common dilemma for first camera. laugh.gif

like myself, when i read more about cameras, the more i "want", and end up no decision. so i went and bought my first camera and learned a lot since then. biggrin.gif
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Thank you, I think I'll keep the kit lens and play with it 1st. If I get 3N, I'll go straight for macro lens as I'm lazy to go through the hassle of trying an extension tube or raynox. For 5R, depends on price 1st but I think at most I can only afford a raynox with my 2k budget.
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post Oct 8 2013, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(kenary820 @ Oct 8 2013, 03:50 PM)
Daniel you need lens longer than 50mm otherwise you'll vignetting which is not fun if you considering raynox. Anyway looking at your flickr, I feel shame cos you have been taking wonderful photo just with HP hehe..
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Thanks for the advice, raynox at most will only be a temporary solution. Will always eye a macro lens.
Lately been using compact cam more than phone btw biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ChinWY @ Oct 9 2013, 07:20 PM)
part of the attributes of a good macro is it is capable of maintaining a very flat focal plane.. how else did they do photo reproduction then?  Nikkor 50 is reputed to be among the favorite..  so to accept soft edge is not relevant.  IF you use stock prime for macro work then it will be soft because it is not design and compensated to have a flat surface edge to edge. There are sweet spots you have to use to achieve those results... refer to each lens technical datasheet for them.  Have fun...  BtW,, enlarger lens do make good macro too...
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I dun have any other options for e-mount macro lens within my budget. But what is enlarger lens?

 

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