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TSdanielcmugen
post Oct 6 2013, 12:55 AM, updated 13y ago

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What's the difference apart from the size?
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post Oct 6 2013, 01:09 AM

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macro filter would be something like Raynox DCR-250 I believe, it attaches to the front of the lens.

a macro extension tube on the other hand, is placed between the lens and the camera body.
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post Oct 6 2013, 02:00 AM

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unlike macro filter, extension tube doesnt have any glasses
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post Oct 6 2013, 02:04 AM

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filter degrades the quality of pics
it lil sharp on centres and worst at corners

here is image i took using 10x hoya filter
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post Oct 6 2013, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 01:09 AM)
macro filter would be something like Raynox DCR-250 I believe, it attaches to the front of the lens.

a macro extension tube on the other hand, is placed between the lens and the camera body.
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QUOTE(kalakatu @ Oct 6 2013, 02:00 AM)
unlike macro filter, extension tube doesnt have any glasses
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So the result is exactly the same?

QUOTE(alpha001 @ Oct 6 2013, 02:04 AM)
filter degrades the quality of pics
it lil sharp on centres and worst at corners

here is image i took using 10x hoya filter
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Thx for sharing, but can crop hmm.gif . U got take any macro shots of insect with that filter b4?
Extension tube also got this prob?
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post Oct 6 2013, 08:32 AM

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I own 100mm macro, but most of the time the subject is to small. The raynox help reducing the minimun focus distance for more magnification. For me, I no longer use the ET as high chances dust get into the sensor. My fav combo however m43 body, olympus 40-150mm + raynox. Its light, cheap combo and importantly still do the job.
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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Oct 6 2013, 02:42 AM)
So the result is exactly the same?
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nope.
any additional glass, especially the low quality glass will degrade ur photo quality. usually it'll decrease the sharpness and contribute to more CA.

ext tube doesnt have glass, so no changes in the photo quality.

still, macro filter is much more easier to be used compared to ext tube
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post Oct 6 2013, 10:13 AM

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some samples. taken with 50mm + ext tube:

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EJAD0108 by Ejad_Fotopoyo, on Flickr

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IMGP9779 by Ejad_Fotopoyo, on Flickr
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post Oct 6 2013, 10:27 AM

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I dont see any degrade in photo quality with raynox. The DOF become thinner when you become much closer with your subject. Uncrop..GX1/Oly40-150 @ 102mm + raynox250 with in camera flash. Raynox 150 maybe less demanding to use. No CA correction

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Fish Hook Ant by MS@N PHOTOGRAPHY, on Flickr

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post Oct 6 2013, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Oct 6 2013, 03:42 AM)
So the result is exactly the same?
Thx for sharing, but can crop hmm.gif . U got take any macro shots of insect with that filter b4?
Extension tube also got this prob?
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sure can crop, but it will be different story, the quality will not be the same

i taken few photos of ants and flowers before, quality not really that great, raynox will do better job i guess
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post Oct 6 2013, 03:30 PM

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100mm with raynox 250

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robberfly by melnikor, on Flickr


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weevil by melnikor, on Flickr

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mosquito by melnikor, on Flickr

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jumping spider having lunch by melnikor, on Flickr

this one crop a lot ....

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robberfly by melnikor, on Flickr

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post Oct 6 2013, 10:59 PM

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Last time I used Raynox, I didn't like the output. Went for a macro lens in the end.
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post Oct 6 2013, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(kenary820 @ Oct 6 2013, 08:32 AM)
I own 100mm macro, but most of the time the subject is to small. The raynox help reducing the minimun focus distance for more magnification. For me, I no longer use the ET as high chances dust get into the sensor. My fav combo however m43 body, olympus 40-150mm + raynox. Its light, cheap combo and importantly still do the job.
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Raynox is different from ET and macro filter? rclxub.gif Macro lens not enough? Still need to add raynox?
Now I see there's 4 solutions for macro which is macro lens, raynox, ET and macro filter.

QUOTE(kalakatu @ Oct 6 2013, 10:03 AM)
nope.
any additional glass, especially the low quality glass will degrade ur photo quality. usually it'll decrease the sharpness and contribute to more CA.

ext tube doesnt have glass, so no changes in the photo quality.

still, macro filter is much more easier to be used compared to ext tube
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Thx. What's CA?

QUOTE(kalakatu @ Oct 6 2013, 10:13 AM)
some samples. taken with 50mm + ext tube:

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The quality looks okay for me hmm.gif

QUOTE(alpha001 @ Oct 6 2013, 11:04 AM)
sure can crop, but it will be different story, the quality will not be the same

i taken few photos of ants and flowers before, quality not really that great, raynox will do better job i guess
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Like this I think not acceptable for me. Thx for sharing.

QUOTE(melnikor @ Oct 6 2013, 03:30 PM)
100mm with raynox 250

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100mm is macro lens?
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post Oct 7 2013, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Oct 6 2013, 11:39 PM)
100mm is macro lens?
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yeah 100mm L macro
i also add ET for normal shot .. only use raynox for close up, or very small insect

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QUOTE(melnikor @ Oct 7 2013, 12:19 AM)
yeah 100mm L macro
i also add ET for normal shot .. only use raynox for close up, or very small insect
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^ Example of normal shot? hmm.gif
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post Oct 7 2013, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Oct 7 2013, 12:30 AM)
^ Example of normal shot? hmm.gif
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without raynox

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finger print ant by melnikor, on Flickr

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robberfly having lunch by melnikor, on Flickr

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Ant Mimic Spider by melnikor, on Flickr

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Robberfly by melnikor, on Flickr

with raynox

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Robberfly Eye by melnikor, on Flickr

50mm with raynox

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bee1 by melnikor, on Flickr

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spider2 by melnikor, on Flickr
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post Oct 7 2013, 12:36 AM

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daniel, if you don't already know, macro lens can be used as a normal lens like any other prime lens to focus on everyday subject, just that macro lens allow you to get very close to the subject. if you're really interested in macro, straight get the macro lens. macro lens usually have higher optic quality, but with smaller aperture and longer focal length.

for E mount version, 30mm isn't very long but still not very convenient as multipurpose lens. but if that's what you want, it's better than spending extra money to try all sorts of macro lens alternatives to end up giving up and buy the macro lens.
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post Oct 7 2013, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(melnikor @ Oct 7 2013, 12:34 AM)
without raynox

with raynox
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Thx for sharing, but can I see some samples from the macro lens alone (50mm preferred)? Sorry if I'm asking too much.

QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 7 2013, 12:36 AM)
daniel, if you don't already know, macro lens can be used as a normal lens like any other prime lens to focus on everyday subject, just that macro lens allow you to get very close to the subject. if you're really interested in macro, straight get the macro lens. macro lens usually have higher optic quality, but with smaller aperture and longer focal length.

for E mount version, 30mm isn't very long but still not very convenient as multipurpose lens. but if that's what you want, it's better than spending extra money to try all sorts of macro lens alternatives to end up giving up and buy the macro lens.
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Eh I didn't know that smile.gif . So 30mm isn't convenient to be used as a multipurpose lens, but is it ok for portrait at least?

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post Oct 7 2013, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Oct 7 2013, 12:47 AM)
Thx for sharing, but can I see some samples from the macro lens alone (50mm preferred)? Sorry if I'm asking too much.
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no prob ..just sharing
50mm ... i use normal canon 50mm 1.8 ... not real macro lens ..

100mm macro only, no tube n raynox,

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white and yellow water lily by melnikor, on Flickr

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dragonfly3 by melnikor, on Flickr

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butterfly6 by melnikor, on Flickr

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spider4 by melnikor, on Flickr
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post Oct 7 2013, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Oct 7 2013, 12:47 AM)
Eh I didn't know that smile.gif . So 30mm isn't convenient to be used as a multipurpose lens, but is it ok for portrait at least?
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that lens is 45mm equivalent, while lumia 800 is 28mm equivalent, which is about 1.6x of lumia 800. you can always try setting your phone to 1.6x and see if you like the field of view, but i think not easy to know what's the focal length or zoom level since camera phone don't have indication for this. hmm.gif

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