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Science Doubt : Going for PhD, Reseach in Science
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 10 2013, 12:45 PM
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Study master or phd no future. Better start career early. In sales line when u start after degree u already own a house when ppl finish master/phd. When they start buy house u already finish paying for your house.
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 10 2013, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Oct 10 2013, 01:16 PM) You can have a career while pursuing postgraduate too..be it in the academic or industry line u mean part time study? Depend on what your master/phd is about. If MBA and stuff sure ok. But if scientific then alot ppl drop out from what i seen real life experience. Its too tough to be doing master and phd part time and take along time that u just give up naturally
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 12:09 AM) One of the limitations with this reasoning is that it does not explain Why do so few sales people get rich? In fact, WintersuN's argument seemed to rely too heavily on time comparison. It also seems that WintersuN's understanding of the postgraduate study is questionable. Like LoveMeNot, postgraduate study can be the foundation to a great career. WintersuN's interpretation of " Study master or PhD no future" tends to overlook the fact that postgraduate studies can help one's career in lots of ways, such as specialising in the field of study, increasing your salary, gaining access to industry and forging invaluable contacts, etc. Its difficult to explain to ppl who never experience before cos if u experience study masters/phd beforeand look for job in the corporate you will know. If continue as lecturer in academic field ok la..
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 12:34 PM) I am interested to know the benchmark you are using to come up with this statement. Why would a MSc or PhD graduate face difficulty getting a job in industry if they have the right attitude, expectations, and fit for the job? Try think in terms of employer mindset and you will know the reason  It is not only fit for the job and stuff but in hiring someone everything takes into account. Example u r phd right atitude, expectation ,etc ,etc candidate... You are only focusing on yourself as a candidate why u r fit for the job. But u never realise besides you there are many more applying for the job and they are your competitors. As a phd you have no xperience in working field,etc etc.. The employer have many choices and they are choosing the best that suits them and it is not academic knowledge that they are looking at. Every candidate has their own unique skill sets. This post has been edited by WintersuN: Oct 11 2013, 12:42 PM
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 12:51 PM) Are you living for your employer, or are you living for yourself? dafuq? ww are talking about getting a job now and wat r u asking.. r u gonna b your own boss after u grad or look for employment?
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 01:17 PM) That is why I am interested to know why you assert that employers would not hire master or doctorate students. Going by your assumption, you might as well ask everyone to suppress their desires and ambition, and just submit themselves as slaves to whoever is merciful enough to hire them.  Im just saying master/phd no future cos just having phd doesnt make u the best candidate out there. If u r employer u will not take phd student over a degree grad who already have 5 yrs experience in the job you r looking for
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 01:28 PM) Who knows? I may be an extraordinary employer looking for extraordinary employee and willing to pay extraordinary bucks. Just saying. There is no certainty in life. Just do what you want to do and be happy.  u mean having phd is extraordinary compare against degre having 5 yrs experience? I no comment on u willing pay extraordinary bucks. Of cos can do wat u 1 2 do and b happy but not always your life in in your control. Many times u it depends on other ppl like getting a job. Unless u haf rich father then u can do wat ever u 1 and b happy. Nobody 1 employ u just ask your father open a company for u b boss.
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 01:59 PM) If you think inside the box of course you are absolutely right. Going by linear thinking also you are right. You win on both counts. Congrats.  QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 02:16 PM) Thanks for sharing your painful experience and now I know. It's true that postgraduate studies may not be for everyone. And it's probably quite difficult for some salespeople who hold Master/PhD and DO NOT excel in their career to envision the many benefits of postgraduate study, as well as to open doors of marketing opportunity to new or related fields of career. Good luck!  Im not purposely post here to win la but just share my opinion. If there are ppl who success have master/phd and success work in corporate in malaysia I will glad to hear his experience. Most I know is that degree who enter Intel and from there the company give them scholarship for master/phd. That will be best case cost u already secure a job and at same time study. After finish u haf both experience and acedemic.
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 02:32 PM) It's true that having a PhD doesn't necessarily make one the best candidate in a job interview. But your statement does not explain why would a PhD holder compete in Diploma/Bachelor-qualified sales jobs?  i thinku mis-track here la.. since when im talking about sales job? Im talking of getting employer with master/phd degree not care if sales or research or watever
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 03:26 PM) Are you saying it is better NOT to have a Masters in order to compete better in the corporate world? QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 03:44 PM) Yes, Ma'am! Perhaps you think that you don't need a MSc or PhD to climb the corporate ladder? Just saying that the time u take to pursue your masters/phd is better use at gaining experience in the job. Of course its always better to have a masters but you do not have all the time in the world. WHenu finish your masters/phd you are at an age where the employers are looking at experience to hire not some 30 year old fresh phd graduate. Yes i think it is not need msc or phd to climb corporate ladder. U need experience more than those academic qualification. QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 03:49 PM) Since Post #16 if you recall. Even if you generalize ALL kinds of job, the existing accounts fail to resolve the contradiction between PhD-qualified jobs and Bachelor-qualified jobs. Any idea?  I dunno wat u trying to tok and using special english to make me look lousy
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 04:23 PM) I would like to learn of your age, qualification(s) and job role. Perhaps I may make you my model of success. I am not being sarcastic. Perhaps I would write a book on how to be successful with just a degree, and name you as co-author. yeah yeah.. laugh at me la.. how about u write a book how to be successful with a master/phd in malaysia and i name u as co author
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 04:50 PM) I am neither successful nor wise enough to write such a book. That is why I am very excited to read people's comments on their sure-win recipes for success. i think u abit mis-track. I never say i sure-win. Just saying that master/phd got no future in malaysia corporate.
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SUSWintersuN
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Oct 11 2013, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 05:05 PM) I've already come up with a good book title! PhD Boss, BSc Boss: What the PhD Teach Their Workers About Success--That the Bachelors and the Masters Do Not! QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 05:16 PM) Good one. My retard book will be called: "Permanent Head Damage? Better than BullSchitters and MSchmucks!" Ya la u guys master phd ppl always think u all very smart la... Thats the problem wif u guys got attitude problem not willing to learn think self already very smart than other pppl. Wif this attitude where u work also sure will problem.
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