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Science Doubt : Going for PhD, Reseach in Science

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jonoave
post Oct 11 2013, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 09:32 AM)
It's true that having a PhD doesn't necessarily make one the best candidate in a job interview. But your statement does not explain why would a PhD holder compete in Diploma/Bachelor-qualified sales jobs? hmm.gif
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It depends on where you apply. Over here, the support department for research e.g. Bioinformatics Unit, Microscopy unit only hire people with master/phd as research support staff. And good bioinformaticians with specific skills are always being searched for to fill a position in a project for 2-3 years, with good benefits.

As far as I know, local unis don't have this level of support for the staff. They usually higher basic degree ppl to fill in staff positions like technicians or lab assistants. Postgrad degrees only help if you want to apply as lecturer.

If you're talking about locally, then it's a bit harder because the industry is not fully geared towards basic r&d. Still, there are some research institutues like Carif, Sime Darby etc that might pay more for good degrees. If you're applying for positions in sales with those bioscience distributors, then having a Msc/Phd will have little benefit.



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post Oct 11 2013, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 05:05 PM)
I've already come up with a good book title! icon_rolleyes.gif

PhD Boss, BSc Boss: What the PhD Teach Their Workers About Success--That the Bachelors and the Masters Do Not!
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 05:16 PM)
Good one.

My retard book will be called:

"Permanent Head Damage? Better than BullSchitters and MSchmucks!"
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Ya la u guys master phd ppl always think u all very smart la... Thats the problem wif u guys got attitude problem not willing to learn think self already very smart than other pppl.

Wif this attitude where u work also sure will problem.
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post Oct 12 2013, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 11:55 PM)
Ya la u guys master PhD people always think u all very smart la... That's the problem with u guys, got attitude problem, not willing to learn and think self already very smart than other people. With this attitude, wherever u work also sure will have problem.
Most adults probably understand that the book title is for comic relief; a parody of Robert Kiyosaki's Rich Dad, Poor Dad: What the Rich Teach Their Kids About Money--That the Poor and the Middle Class Do Not! Do you mean Robert Kiyosaki has attitude problem too? hmm.gif

I'm not both and I don't know, but since you claimed that, have you found that so-called “attitude problem” with ALL Masters & PhD people in your life in every possible circumstance? Mind you, LoveMeNot has a Master's degree. By your claim, if everyone had that belief, then would it be sensible to say these Masters & PhD people would never willing to continue learning at the postgraduate level in the first place? shakehead.gif

QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 02:28 PM)
I'm not purposely post here to win la, but just share my opinion. If there are people who success have master/phd and success work in corporate in Malaysia, I'd be glad to hear his experience.
So when you shared that honestly to us in earlier post but now ranting on attitude problem, would it be fair to say that your “attitude theory” made you against yourself? My advice: Don't let your mind wander. It's way too small to be outside by itself. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 12 2013, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 11:55 PM)
Ya la u guys master phd ppl always think u all very smart la... Thats the problem wif u guys got attitude problem not willing to learn think self already very smart than other pppl.

Wif this attitude where u work also sure will problem.
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Hmmm... why are you clustering all of us in the same boat just because the ones you have encountered sucks big time?

Fyi I personally never think that I'm smart. In fact I think I'm stupid. How?
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post Oct 13 2013, 10:17 AM

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Yes, Msc and PhD are useful in the academic line. Some companies look for these qualifications as well, but not much. More emphases were being put into work experience. Taking Msc and PhD is like upgrading yourself to have higher qualifications and better knowledge in certain fields/topics/sections.
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post Oct 25 2013, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(Savor_Savvy @ Oct 13 2013, 10:17 AM)
Yes, Msc and PhD are useful in the academic line. Some companies look for these qualifications as well, but not much. More emphases were being put into work experience. Taking Msc and PhD is like upgrading yourself to have higher qualifications and better knowledge in certain fields/topics/sections.
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This very much sums it up. Of course, it goes back again to the line of work and what you have done during your Master or PhD program. For example, if you're in engineering, getting a Master degree or a PhD in Korea or Japan will somehow give you "work" experience. As the graduate students more often than not participate in lab projects, which actually comes from the industry via the government. If you're studying in US, Master degree is basically classes all over again, tho of course with more specific and in-depth lessons. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 8 2013, 09:24 PM

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Sacrificing 4 years for a PhD will eventually pay for itself in the long run. Having a PhD distinguishes yourself from the pack, whether or not the PhD is related to your career. It opens doors to senior management or policy-making roles in many situations where a a bachelor's degree isn't enough. Put simply, a PhD unlocks potential and options and tells people you are capable of solving problems and thinking critically, both of which are transferable generic skills. I'd rather have a thought-altering, career-changing, attitude-shaping PhD than get a 4 year entry-level start to a 40 year career. Of course, it is arguably more desirable if your PhD is somewhat related to your field biggrin.gif

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