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Science Doubt : Going for PhD, Reseach in Science
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 4 2013, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(QDaMonster @ Sep 30 2013, 10:17 AM) Hi, I'm a fresh graduate and still pondering whether to pursue Master. I like lab work but my lecturer told me once that doing research is all about the efforts you give in which means you need to sacrifice lots of time in it. I'm thinking that if I really choose to pursue Master then sooner and later need to get a PhD as well. So, I hope that I can get some feedback and opinion from you guys. Oh and from my final year project experience is that you'll like go to the lab early in the morning and go back "not on time" like you have to korek more and more time for your project. I never seem to hate holiday until I'm doing my project because that means that the lab will close and no progression. So is it like going to PhD like you probably won't have time for anything else and just to your work? Honestly, at the first place, why do you want to further your Master? I personally think that the only reason for one to take up MSc and PhD in Science is to go into the lecturing line. Other than that, it's almost non beneficial.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 9 2013, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 8 2013, 12:06 PM) It is good to have something else (other than a career) to look forward to, and to work on. I believe that makes a person well-rounded. The problem with graduates nowadays is they'd prefer to continue their study even without knowing what they actually want to do. In the end, having a PhD or a Master may not be beneficial anymore as it may not be related to their future job
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 9 2013, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 9 2013, 09:49 PM) Based on your findings, Why do graduates nowadays prefer to continue study?  1. unsure of what they want to do-thus furthering study because they are not ready to face the working world 2. naive; thinking that the higher you go, the better it'll be without considering IF this is what they'll be doing in the future. 3. study till the highest level; then only search for job without considering if that job requires this kinda qualification? I personally never encourage my students to take this path. One should know or at least have some idea of their pathway before pursuing further. I myself took 2 years off after my Bachelor to identify exactly what I'm into, then only pursue my MSc. Took me 3 jumps of jobs in 1 year to find out.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 10 2013, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 10 2013, 10:14 AM) When you said you took 2 years off, did you mean you were actually working in industry, and finally found your true calling in pursuing a MSc? Or did you mean you did not do anything at all, then spent a year with 3 different jobs, before pursuing your MSc? Were the 2 years well-spent, in your opinion? And are you advocating your students to follow your path, or not? I must be a confused old man for failing to comprehend what you wrote.  Meaning I do intend to pursue my MSc after my Bachelor. However, I've decided to work for 2 years just to (1) gain some working experience in the industry (2) see what exactly I want to do (3) identify which area I would want to further into (4) do I really need to take up MSc. My third job-which is a tutoring job, answers everything. After tutoring for about 2 years I applied for a MSc relevant to my teaching. It was very well spent of course because without it, I wouldn't even know my direction. I'm not advocating them to follow my path. Just an advice to them IF they do not know what to do next. Why do something if you are unsure if it will be useful to you in the future? This post has been edited by LoveMeNot: Oct 10 2013, 11:38 AM
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 10 2013, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 10 2013, 12:06 PM) Thanks for elaborating and glad hearing you have found a pathway for yourself. The point I would like to make is that: who amongst us actually could tell exactly what we want to do, if not after some trials and errors? If life is often that straightforward, it wouldn't be as interesting.  Yeah understood. I was a little lost too right after my degree. And that's why working is the best way to find out isn't it? I was job hopping among 3 industries within a year to know. If indeed I'm alright with my 1st job, my MSc will not really be beneficial at all already. They won't even pay higher for it.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 10 2013, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 10 2013, 12:21 PM) I suppose every individual has unique reasons for pursuing MSc. Some pursue it because they like teaching (like you), some do it for monetary returns (as you had expected), some do it to further their knowledge, some do it to hone their research skills, some do a field that was never their forte, some do it because they want to stick to their comfort zone on campus, some do it because it is a natural progression from a BSc. There is no right or wrong in wanting to pursue higher education. It is like asking why get a Mercedes, when a MyVi would suffice to bring you to point A to B, without examining the intrinsic values people attach to driving a Merc. You got your points there. Indeed different individual has their reasons. I guess mine is applicable for those who kinda have their mind set and wants to move forward rather than dilly dallying. Also, money play an important role too. I personally don't have that much money to do it just to further my knowledge. And thus, most of the time I'll have a long chat with my students just to understand better their reason before I advice them. Mine is not always right. ps: you should add on this reason why people wanna pursue their Master these days : peer pressure; seeing everyone is doing it and you are left out.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 11 2013, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 08:17 AM) Its difficult to explain to ppl who never experience before cos if u experience study masters/phd beforeand look for job in the corporate you will know. If continue as lecturer in academic field ok la.. I have to agree with you on this. In lecturing, Master in Science is beneficial. But if you go into other field e.g. sales, MBA may be more relevant. Also, like you said, it's almost impossible to do part time studying in science if one is working. I personally had to go let go of my job for both MSc and PhD to go full time.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 11 2013, 03:16 PM
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aiya you all don't lari topic la. The focus here is on science related MSc or PhD. I don't think one need a Master or PhD in Science to compete in the corporate world. It is only useful if you are in the academic line.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 11 2013, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 03:26 PM) Are you saying it is better NOT to have a Masters in order to compete better in the corporate world? Different type of masters for different field my friend. Having a science master may not be beneficial if you are in the management line.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 11 2013, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 11 2013, 03:44 PM) Yes, Ma'am! Perhaps you think that you don't need a MSc or PhD to climb the corporate ladder? IMO, prolly not a science master or PhD; but something else. This is however, based on my personal experience only. I don't see my knowledge in biomed comes in handy now since I'm in the management team.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 11 2013, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 03:54 PM) Are you a lecturer or are you a manager actually? I'm utterly confused.  I used to lecture for almost 5 years. I'm in the management team now
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 11 2013, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 03:59 PM) Ok, so you got your masters, started lecturing after your masters, got promoted to management, and now say that your masters is useless?  It's certainly useful if I am still lecturing. But now since I'm in the management, it doesn't really help at all. I'm not saying it's useless. I'm considering taking up PhD non related to my MSc.
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LoveMeNot
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Oct 12 2013, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 11:55 PM) Ya la u guys master phd ppl always think u all very smart la... Thats the problem wif u guys got attitude problem not willing to learn think self already very smart than other pppl. Wif this attitude where u work also sure will problem. Hmmm... why are you clustering all of us in the same boat just because the ones you have encountered sucks big time? Fyi I personally never think that I'm smart. In fact I think I'm stupid. How?
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