how you know the reliability when it's a new car???

this is not the same as the previous thai CBU although it does look quite the same... HM says there is 30~40% parts being localized which lead to a cheaper price tag...

actually the CKD bumper looks quite good...

one of the specific thai CBU models had a bumper that made the car look a big roundish from the back...at least this one was not too bad even without the skirts and bodykits...

the side mirrors don't auto fold on car lock... even the previous accord didn't have this feature if i am not wrong...

the buzzer sound is a mystery... not sure why they came to this decision to have lights blinking as the indicator instead of sound... but, it's no longer the cobra alarm they previously used... but, it's no deal killer...

EPS is speed sensitive... it is lighter and less sensitive on slow speeds to help with parking and stuff... and it will load up as speed increases...although it will never be as heavy as some cars...

i doubt it can do 570 even.... it depends on how and where you drive the car...

the range cannot be trusted when you first reset it after a pump.. you need to drive it a while as it's calculated based on your KM/L if i am not wrong...

not an option... warranty issues...

i do 10k in my current car.. estimate the mileage remains the same...it's not cheap for me as well especially comparing the cost of my current car against it...

but, she should do what she think is worth it... if she feels nicer driving in a better car albeit short distances.. it might still have a chance of worth to her... if she thinks of it as a mode of transport and it is strangling her financially... better of getting something less expensive and still sensible like a myvi and live with it...

that's what i think of the situation... but, frankly to say... 75k ain't too far from a full spec 1.5SE myvi which is 56k + the higher interest rates... the question of money is as always cannot be avoided... it's just whether if she can see it as a worthy purchase over time...

there is no 10k service for jazz... there is fully synthetic option.. but also same 5k interval...

the jazz hybrid is still having a 10k discount on all branches... but car has to be registered before 31st december 2013 and they are currently lacking of stock as far as i know... the wait list is actually lined up until mid jan already... so, you need to hunt a dealership that can give it to you sooner...

price wise for the hybrid... it's 90k - 10k discount - 3.5k (if i am not wrong service labour charges over the duration of 3 years) meaning the car + ownership cost is about 76~77k over the first 3 years

while the ckd petrol is 75k with no discounts and a 3.5k service labour charges over the first 3 years to retain the warranty... which comes to about 78~79k car + ownership cost over the first 3 years..

the only major difference is the lacking of 4 disc on hybrid (cosmetic thing) and a different center console and chrome grills....

reliability wise.. it's anyone's guess.. i doubt the car will fail... but the battery lifespan is more or less a worry... but, as it is an assist motor rather than a full EV capable one like the prius... the utilization of the battery is lower compared to prius which should mean the battery can retain charge for a longer period of years... hence, honda giving it 8 years warranty if i'm not wrong...

fuel saving wise, some people says it helps, some says it doesn't....i think it depends on how you drive...

the aircond compressor thing is automatically in effect as long as your are in D-mode... if you are in S or neutral... it doesn't kick in if i am not wrong...

as for the depreciation... that is due to the pricing kept on lowering with the introduction from CBU japan to CBU Thai to CKD local... that is why the car depreciated fast as far as i understand...

if you mean the eco button... i remember it doesn't turn off the engine start stop function...

it just makes the brake regenerative function less aggressive and make the idling time longer before it cuts out the engine...

it's harder by comparison to other honda models due to the ultraseats...

actually... i trust the sound is actually more of the exhaust noise than the engine from the L15a unit...

it's no bang & olufsen on a merc, that's for sure... but it does a decent job for most people...

it's all based on your expectations...

dun set your expectations too high... the L15A is a single cam vtec with no cam lift... just variable valve timing if i am not wrong...

it just sounds louder than what you hear @ 3k revs...

apart from the looks for the current GE8... the plus point for me other than it being more feminine (jus jokin )... it is actually more flexible with the ultraseats.. people who have driven myvi and kenari's before this will understand it... it can ferry things no almera, jazz or even a camry or accord can carry...

only on par???

it's actually much more muted than the myvi... from the closing of the door.. you already know the jazz passenger cabin will be quieter because the doors are much heavier to close and closes with a much more solid sound rather than a more metal against metal sound on a myvi...

that being said, it's not really that quiet if you have high expectations but being a 75k ringgit car, i don't think one should be complaining that much...

if you are aiming for a top of the line myvi... it's a worthy investment to consider forking out more for the jazz petrol since it's roughly 20k extra on top of the 1.5se and there is a better chance of resale value some time down the road...

the jazz hybrid is not a full hybrid car... .so, can't really compare to the prius... it doesn't even have EV mode... it is only offering energy recovery and power assistance...but on the other hand... you know that the cycle on the battery charge and discharge is not as heavy as a full hybrid car hence the possibility of a replacement is not as soon as well...

actually the hybrid feels quite OK trundling around the city... on highway, i guess the petrol is better but not by a mile...

good luck with that... you need a panel replacement to fit a single or dual din player into the car... a bit of hassle to do so... and there is possibility of gaps after your player goes in...

http://www.lelong.com.my/honda-fit-jazz-20...3-12-Sale-P.htm
not sure if this is the same one for the current GE8 that malaysia is selling... looks slightly different... but accessory shops should have them...

i mean you have to look at it from a totality point of view...

in terms of NVH short and long term as you said it's a showroom unit.... resale value after x amount of years and whether do you really need the power you gain from the preve...

i driven before both... the CFE was a journalist unit when it was a couple months after they launched it... so, it is what i should say quite well used... i for sure certainly didn't take care of it when i was driving.. so, you get the idea...

power wise is a very subjective thing... if you really need that amount of power delivery out of the car... then preve seems a better bet... but on paper, it doesn't seem much since it is only less than 20 horses more with 20kgm on tap and it is heavier than the jazz to begin with...

i am not saying the preve is not good... it is worthy from the perspective that it is a segment c sedan and it is priced lower than a jazz even after it was CKD'ed...

so, it's at the end of the day a question of what you prefer between both cars... one might look nice, one might be more powerful, one might be comfier, one might have more flexible room in the car...it's a question of balancing what you want as both might have a certain something that you fancy but for sure no one will find everything they want in one car...

actually the jazz also has quite ample space for things as there is no boot lid to prevent luggage storing... and if car is not fully loaded with people.. the ultra seats can be folded down to store more luggage... it might not be what most people want.... but it is a good thing to have sometimes...

going shopping for huge and bulky items is usually more easier with the jazz as the preve might find it harder to stuff chunky things into the boot...

comfort wise... i think the preve wins because the jazz ultraseats are never as comfortable...

dun feel it on short trips.. but definitely noticeable on longer ones...

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 29 2013, 05:29 PM

which CBU and version?

very obviously, the price... more parts on the car being localized (almost 40% according to honda) compared to the thai imports, lost 16 inch wheels, slightly different look compared to thai cbu grade v (face-lifted version)... and if you compared with the original ge8 (non face-lifted) grade v, then you lose even more things like audio control, paddle shift (but that's 100k easily)

it's practically the same car as the thai imported grade s that was sold for over 90k not long before the launch of the ckd jazz hybrid...

for a comparison, order in chronological of introduction....

Jazz Grade V and S (second gen, original GE8)

Jazz Grade V (face-lift)

Jazz Grade S (face-lift)

Jazz Petrol CKD

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 30 2013, 07:38 AM

Looks as good as the cbu versions

But, only time will tell

comparing it to a myvi... i think the jazz might be slightly better.. road noise is very subjective due to the tires used and as the tires wear... the road noise might change as well...

on cabin noise... the myvi is more or less the same except for going through rough roads is where the myvi might lose out where the interior does not produce that more solid "thud" and instead crashes around a bit... older units might sound even worst....as i mentioned before... jus the sound of closing doors on both the cars you can notice the difference...

it doesn't quite work... different placement positions, different microphone sensitivity will produce differentiating results... you need a controlled test where the same phone is used, same roads are ran on in order to get a more accurate comparison..

actually.. the stock 175/65/15 Goodyear GT3 is quite silent when i drove it... jus a slight hum at speeds... i am now using 205/45/17 toyo drb... and the noise is even worst than the stock GT3...

still got 2 gears to go...

actually.. .cars like myvi, kenari, jazz has the common problem because they do not have an isolated boot space where the rear seat prevents the road noise coming up from the wheel weld to enter the passenger cabin...

i think what you can do is first see if they can stick soundproofing mat onto the spare wheel weld as that place might be the source of sound to come in... the passenger cabin has carpeting to adsorb a bit of noise... the spare wheel weld is just plain naked metal...

if sticking soundproofing mat does not obstruct the placement of the spare wheel and it reduces the road noise at the rear... that might be adequate...unless you itchy handed and mess with other places...

soundproofing the entire car will not be cheap...

yeah.. normally side windows only 2 days... and demister for 2 weeks...

it is however recommended that the car is left under the sun for the duration of the entire month so the security tint is better bonded to the windows.. not sure if this is true or not...