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Tim_HKG
post Feb 26 2011, 09:52 PM

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How to seperate the "R" & "L" speaker wires, power-controlling wires from the all-in-one 5-pin cable of Altec Lansing ACS 45.1? I'd really want to make them all independent as the initial modification. Thanks in advance!
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post Feb 27 2011, 11:27 PM

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No idea of how to making independent sockets and buttons for the wires inside the 5-pin cable respectively. Perhaps the pictures below would be another alternative, or simply just an external box, but maybe they're too powerful for ACS 45.1!

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post Mar 8 2011, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(stan001 @ Feb 28 2011, 02:39 AM)
What board are those ?

They look so cool in red PCB...
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LM3866、TDA7293/4、LM1875、LM4766...so many choices! Either in the form of the pictures I'd posted up before or in this way!

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However, they're just too powerful for the 4 ohm speaker drivers of ACS 45.1 as the sellers said...sigh!


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For me, a newbie, would like to seperate the 5-pin socket which includes R, L, subwoofer, volume on/off, volume +/- into independent channels respestively. With that, I could have had all the poor-quality cables & wires changed, then some capacitors replaced. Unfortunately, still have no idea of how to seperate this 5-pin socket into independent channels! Could you tell with more pictures?

Besides, could you help me figuring out which of the capacitors should be replaced at least in order to have much more "clear signals" and "clear sound", and the specifications of the maximum V, UF for those capacitors I should buy.

Thanks in advance!

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post Mar 16 2011, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Mar 14 2011, 02:05 PM)
heh, most of them are babies. they expect us to spoonfeed yhem  immediately witout doing homework.

=) most don't even turn up when after request filled
best part about it is not even a thank you 90% of the time haha
unless you are following thread, don't request =)

ACS45.1 controls... trace the wires back to your board.. according to color
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the thick RED, GREEN and BLACK is speaker right,left and ground

ATP3 has new version and old version, this is the new (cut cost) version.
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yes, nao you just trace the wires back to the board using a multitester or batteries with led/lightbulb
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desolder the 7pin thingy out first, attach it back to the plug, cut the wires, trace each wire color to destination
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heh, grumpy. needed to open my sets up for you all. get your own pics next time!! =D
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Here's my ACS 45.1
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Sorry for bothering you again, since I've already taken out the whole set of stuff from the subwoofer and stepped into the no-return way to the modifications of my ACS 45.1!

Have you ever succeeded in detaching the "black plastic cover from the PCB board? I've found it quite difficult to detach it from the PCB board for having any work at the 5-pin connector.

As I'd mentioned before, I'd like to rebuild the independent R & L channels for the satellite speakers firstly. So, under such circumstance, would it possibly be the short cut to bybass it and just soldered wires onto the back of the PCB board as your picture shows?
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Thanks in advance!

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post Mar 17 2011, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Mar 17 2011, 12:15 AM)
heh, no problem. i am just grumpy at times =)
black plastik cover thingy is just glued there, unscrew and peel/pry it out.. no problem to put it back. you can be more hard it doesn't break easily.
OH YEAH YOU NEED A LONG SCREWDRIVER to unscrew heatsink then only black plastic

after removing the black plastic, it is much easier to see what goes where =)
happy modding =)
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The big earthquake in Japan did affect the emotion in doing such a time-consuming and quite-useless work like modifications of speakers. Anyhow, this ACS 45.1 is just like Japan, they're heading to a no-return way, just hoping for a better new tomorrow...sigh!

This part has been broken up by my violence
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However, still have to find out the channels to be soldering independent cables for building up the R, L, power on/off, volume +/- connections respectively.

Besides, if I'm going to have had all the capacitors replaced, not including those brown and green ones, there are 35 pieces totally, not an easy task!

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post Mar 17 2011, 03:52 PM

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4558? is it LM4558? Could the TDA7370 be replaced by this one without changing the others?

Here's the list of the capacitors:
0.1uf 50v x1
0.47uf 50v x5
1uF 50v x3
2.2uf 50v x13
4.7uf 25v x4
10uf 16v x1
47uf 16v x1
100uf 16v x3
220uf 16v x1
1000uf 16v x2
10000uF 50v x1

So, which of the above capacitors should have been changed in order to have the best result? And, what will be the best uf, v for those capacitors I'm going to buy?

Thanks in advance!

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post Mar 18 2011, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Mar 17 2011, 09:18 PM)
4558 is the eight leg square...
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don't bother changing anything else, not value for money

16v and above... for all... depends on your pocket.... and availability
for best result, change  to a reputable brand. badcaps.net for reference what is good or bad

10000uf first (stability)RM17-18

1000uf to 2200uf (sats have better range) RM1 each

220uf (sub sound stability)

2.2uf and 1uf for signal path (clarity and punchier bass)

my advice for practical best results. you should actually change all the cables (internal and external) before changing components inside =)
also, it has the best value for money mod. it takes some time to burn-in.
so the cables might make your set sound strange when newly changed

AND DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU THAT ALTEC TRACE COMES OFF EASILY
careful, desoldering the parts out... use a sucker!
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Since I'm going to solder some wires onto them, do you have the full idea of what are these soldering points stand for? For examples, the +/- of the R&L speakers' wires, the power on/off wires, the volume +/- wires.

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Thanks in advance!
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post Mar 19 2011, 09:03 PM

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The 5-pin female connector from the pcb board has been removed, and another 5-pin male connector from the right-satellite speaker cut off too, it's really a no-return way!

I did not dare to power on it yet, put it for your eyes first!

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post Mar 19 2011, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(stan001 @ Mar 19 2011, 09:44 PM)
Pls use the multimeter beeper / connectivity tester to check for short circuits...
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I don't have such tools, by the way, I'm just a copycat of the information provided by beggarmaster2000...shame!

QUOTE(nismo91 @ Mar 19 2011, 10:24 PM)
yeah better try first. i doubt it can output directly, cause the 5-pin DIN transfer digital data, not raw audio signal. including maybe 3-5V for the LED.
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The 4 wires(I guess they're power on/off, power led, volume +/-) soldered onto the pcb board was originated from the 5-pin cable comes off from the right satellite speaker, so does it mean it has the same kind of signal? While the other two wires soldered on the pcb board are for independent R&L satellite speakers, to be connected to new connectors.

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post Mar 22 2011, 12:49 AM

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After the first soldering job, I did power on it, fortunately no explosion! Without the heatsink attacted(quite dangerous?), I tested the R&L channels individually with just one satellite speaker, subwoofer not yet tested, IT SOUNDS, though seems not louder than before(weird?)!

Tonight, I re-soldered all the power-controlled wires connected on the pcb from downside to upside in order to make them coming out through the black plastic cover more easily, and changed the R&L internal speaker cables from copper to silver-material wires.

I haven't tested it again yet, and have it re-assembled to this stage as the pictures showed, hope it will work as before!

No matter it'll whether work again, I'd like to thank all the people here, especially "beggarmaster2000"! To your question, it's worthy of having a new account registered here, without doing it, I wouldn't have obtained the information from you. Thank you!

Very tired and haven't had my late late dinner yet, needed to take a break and have something to eat!

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post Mar 23 2011, 04:09 PM

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My ACS 45.1 is equipped with this kind of power cord, no ground wire? How can I change it to a standard and better power cord? To where will the ground wire be connected? Thanks in advance!

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post Mar 23 2011, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Mar 23 2011, 04:15 PM)
most multimedia computer don't need ground wire. they are insulated equipment. see the double square logo near the power cord?

this is a class II double square logo:
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No such logo was found on the power cord, it doesn't matter! Anyhow, thank you!

Just came back with the new wires bought, need to get back to the final stage of the 1st-phase modification, report later!
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post Mar 24 2011, 03:11 AM

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QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Mar 24 2011, 12:04 AM)
hmmn.. stan001 nebermind hahaha =)

i have a feelin about tim modding his set just for the wtf value (customised looks) direction
'oh i modded it, nice eh? uahhh fat cables!' hahaha
but i must compliment tim for his nice pictures while he is figuring his set out.

make sure you play counterstirke loud loud on it after mods!!! =)
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Oh master, please don't let me be misunderstood(grin)! I do really want to inprove the sound quality rather than its appearance!

By the way, the 1st-phase modification has just been roughly COMPLETED, now just figuring out should I change the speaker connectors to another kind, and also the power cord.
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About the replacement of capacitors, actually I have had nearly all the capacitors bought even before the modification started. One of the shops' boss did find me some Elna, Rubycon, Black Gate..., but they are just too big in size, out of my soldering skill level! While another shop selling cheaper ones succeeded in getting almost all of them for me.
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From tomorrow on, I'll start listening to it, noticing what's the main change of the sound quality, and will proceed to the 2nd-phase modification, replacement of the capacitors later. However, more than 40 pieces needed to be replaced, not an easy soldering task for an unskilled man like me! How long does it take for me?

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post Mar 26 2011, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:52 AM)
i promise you that:

it definitely will sound bettar than stock but...
those nippon chemicon caps are gonna sound real bad on your set...
Here's the list of the capacitors:
0.1uf 50v x1
0.47uf 50v x5
1uF 50v x3
2.2uf 50v x13
4.7uf 25v x4
10uf 16v x1
47uf 16v x1
100uf 16v x3
220uf 16v x1
1000uf 16v x2
10000uF 50v x1

So what is your recommendation? All ELNA? It's quite difficult to find all of them from the list, then which of them are the most important ones to buy first? Besides, I did notice there's red and black colours of ELNA, which is better? Thank you!
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post Mar 27 2011, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Mar 26 2011, 07:47 PM)
the red elnas are usually stargets... they are too expensive for this set
black and gold are usually silmics which are even more expensive....

my recommendations are based on cheap, good and easy to buy if you are msian

for 10000uf you can use rubycon,panasonic or nippon

for the rest you can buy yellow or blue elna cap
or panasonic (M symbol) purplelish (looks black) gold or metallic blue type

a mix will be good, you tweak whre you like according to taste
pana has more punchy bass property..but the metallic blue ones go way smooth
elna regulars have 'bright' property

them not too expensive and sounds good! =)
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Sorry for bothering you again, do you know the exact names & specifications of the things squared with red & yellow colours? To save time, I'd like to have them replaced as well as other capacitors. Thanks in advance!

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post Mar 29 2011, 01:29 PM

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Since I'm going to confirm the order for some ELNA's caps later today, I did remember last time you'd suggested me replacing the 1000uF caps with 2200uF caps.

So can you tell me what will be the advantages & disadvantages of doing that? Thanks in advance!

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post Mar 29 2011, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(stan001 @ Mar 29 2011, 02:52 PM)
Those large caps act as "power reserve" that might be needed during those high power bass output... *boom* *boom* *boom*

Read this :-
http://www.ehobbycorner.com/pages/tut_capacitors.html

AC Coupling:
The ability of the capacitor to pass AC signals while blocking DC signals is most often used in audio circuits, in order to allow opamps to work of a single supply potential. (or just to protect against DC inputs, which can be noisy)
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Though it's too technical for me to understand, really thank you!

Besides, there's one 0.1uF 50V on my order list, I picked this one, also states 0.1uF 50V, but don't know whether it suits due to its relatively strange appearance. Is it just the same kind of caps? Thanks in advance!

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post Apr 2 2011, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Mar 29 2011, 06:59 PM)
upgrading from 1000uf to 2200uf improves the frequency range
means your sound will more separation lower bass, higher highs bla bla bla

you don't have to replace the 0.1uf just leave it as stock.... it doesn't do much....
you can go ahead to replace it. but i didn't bother to trace it. so i don't really know where it goes. but since the value is so insignificant.... i can live with it =)

and please, change your capacitor in stages! (the biggest one to the smaller ones)
power filter first!!!!
change 1 type of cap. test. see if works? hear what it does? then change again then test.... that way... you'll know the faults and learn what does it do!
DON'T go ALL IN at once... you'll be scratching your head asking us more questions later.
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A new set of caps has just arrived, I'll follow your instruction, change them in order, from the biggest uF down to the smallest value.

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post Apr 2 2011, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(stan001 @ Apr 2 2011, 04:54 PM)
Where did you mail-order yr caps from ?
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mail order from China.


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QUOTE(Cosef @ Apr 2 2011, 05:27 PM)
The red colours highlighted is most probably a metal film capacitor, while the yellow one is ceramic capacitors. It seems to be enough already, if you want for more then replace it to polypropylene one, especially the signal path.
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Thank you so much! However, I don't even know their names & values for the purchase...shame!

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post Apr 5 2011, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Apr 3 2011, 03:52 PM)
Slowly search and learn....no worries

You can search around for well known good cap brand, but mostly is WIMA and Vishay one. The value reading you refer to here, it works like resistor colour code.
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Yes, you're right! It needs to take some times to search and learn for a newbie like me, to look before leap. Thank you!


QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Apr 3 2011, 10:16 PM)
nice stuff tim! =) enjoy yourself and beware of imitation =)
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Yes, Mainland China is famous for her fake and imitation goods. Though I did pick the shop who has asked for relatively higher prices, and also comparatively those models in higher prices too, I do still have no idea of whether they are genuine or fake!

Perhaps you may take a look on them, I couldn't justify their genuineness!
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Besides, is the bigger red one really 0.1uF 50V and could be used to replace the stock one? And, is this bigger red one better than the other smaller one?
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