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 Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat

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post Sep 27 2013, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Sep 27 2013, 12:57 PM)
even with lucas dm he still lost place when opponent counter attack.. like against manu, after he was subbed off them look more smooth with hendo moving to center
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Play either one of them, aka between Lucas and Gerrard, one on the bench.

Two holding midfielder role with 3/4 CB, indirectly means only 4 players on the offensive front, how to break down opponent with 4 players only involved in the front or final third?

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post Sep 30 2013, 02:35 PM

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Despite the scoreline 1-3, Liv's performance especially midfield area was poor, instead the tempo and play mostly dominated by Sunderland.

The major difference was clinical finishing and assist from Sturridge.

Despite, the team play with 3-5-2 formation, yet cannot control the midfield, everytime closed down or pressed by Sunderland players, players seems easily lose the ball, or has no clue what to do.

What role Lucas was playing last night?
Holding midfielder? x
Defensive midfield? x
Attacking midfield? x
Box to box? x
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Henderson is hardwork, and get into good position, but delivery was poor.
If can deliver like Sturridge, Suarez may easily get a hattrick, Sunderland left area was wide exposed many time.
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post Oct 1 2013, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Oct 1 2013, 01:58 PM)
lol watching Carra in suit really feel weird...2nd time he own Gary already on show?
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I hope Carra become the pundit of Astro-supersport.
At least got some more insight and humour.

Currently pundit personnel talk mostly are sweat.gif

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post Oct 2 2013, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Oct 2 2013, 09:01 PM)
Unrealistic indeed.  tongue.gif  But yeah, Dembele is one of the more solid ball-winning central midfielders right now. Same goes to Paulinho. Spurs' midfield has so much depth and quality right now it's quite scary to think how well they can play if they gel.

Right now, LFC is not exactly short on numbers, just short of adequate quality replacements for certain positions. Defensive midfield comes to mind. Lucas does a half-decent job at that position. The problem is nobody can do a much better job at the same position. Henderson or Allen certainly don't play the role well enough to start ahead of Lucas on a consistent basis.
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It is not only adequate quality, but a top class quality.

If the team want to be on top, or in CL, you need top class quality players around, this is the difference.

See how Arsenal added Ozil into the team, then the team seems like step up a gear.

It is same with young Gerrard when hit peak time, who can single carry the team, even winning the CL.

This is the type of top quality player needed for the team to "step up a gear".

A team with a top class player is better than having 3x mediocre average adequate quality player.

Average player is easily to get and can easily get a replacement, as long as got money to spend.
But to get a top class player is not easy, both in $ term as well as ability to spot one and turn the player into top class one.



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post Oct 2 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 2 2013, 09:06 PM)
Half decent Lucas is our BEST def midfielder in the team. And nothing was done in the summer.
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Lucas was quite decent prior before the injury.
Made plenty of decisive tackle, broke up opponent attack play, hold up the ball well, and some good passes as well.


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post Oct 6 2013, 12:03 PM

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Another 45 mins display.
The 45 min tag become more and more pronounced.

Wonder related fitness issue?
Always brilliant at first half, then seems like shut down or lack of energy on second half.

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post Oct 6 2013, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 6 2013, 02:45 PM)
Does this mean lucas is one of the problem so far?do we need him after this?

Anyway,henderson did well yesterday but he is gonna have to maintain this level if I am to eat the humble pie.
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Lucas has been underperforming, I think little people will dispute this.

Hendo is like workhorse, hardworking, box to box midfielder.

Many had seen problem starting both Lucas and Gerrard together.
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post Oct 6 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 6 2013, 03:01 PM)
Short memory span is a serious illness to the fast moving world today. Hence, People judge too quickly too often in a post match. Lol biggrin.gif

Myself included at times but make no mistake, Lucas is still the best DM for us. He just need to regain his form. Hendo can provide a competition there and also to SG's position.
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The team cannot wait the player to regain his form, that's the problem.

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post Oct 6 2013, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Oct 6 2013, 02:30 PM)
Me..me..! Never really like Sterling, he is good in speed, pacey, dribbling. and nothing else is impressive.
But BR prefer him over Ibe, like anak angkat..so no choice.
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You always need a pacey, dribbling skill to bring the ball upfront, especially play a quick counter attack time.
But decision making, and delivery somehow need a lot of improvement.
Yesterday got couple of good chances, cross not delivered at right area, or pass not good at wrong area.
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post Oct 7 2013, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Oct 7 2013, 03:39 PM)
Here's Carra and Neville take on BR's 352 and SaS partnership. Neville was a great fullback and even he admits that it's hard to play as a wingback. BR must be a sadist to put an 18 year old winger as a wingback tongue.gif But it's a very insightful vid.


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As pointed by Neville, the major drawback of the 3-5-2 system is when opponent team double team up on either both wing, lot of space there for the opponent to exploit.
It rely a lot on hardworking midfielder a lot to cover those area.
Coincident Hendo seems play better? Because Hendo may more hardworking or workhorse type of player as compare to Lucas.

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post Oct 7 2013, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 7 2013, 11:49 AM)
Not sure if the 3-5-2 was enforced upon is or planned. It may be pre-meditated hence the purchase of Sakho and Ilori when we already had Agger, Toure, Wisdom, Skrtel and Kelly on our payroll. It has been said that we'd not field this formation with the return of Johnson but I reckon we'll be even stronger when he returns and we maintain this shape. Enrique and Johnson are both well suited for the role of wingbacks unlike say fielding Sterling in that position who is a liability on defence. It also helps masks the inconsistency of Lucas and gives him less pressure in that position. Henderson excelled against Palace also because there was less pressure on him defensively what with us having 3 at the back. More importantly this formation allows both Sturridge and Suarez to adopt more central roles and it was easy on the eye how well they linked up against Palace. They are the highest scoring duo in the prem. Like it or not, Rodgers isn't a one-trick-pony despite allegations that he doesn't have a plan B. The issue we have now is maintaining our rhythm in the 2nd half. When asked,  Rodgers said they weren't playing passively under his instructions and it was an issue of mentality. Reckon we need to hire a new sports psychologist then.
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From my pov,

Sakho dominant in the air as well as tough defending that actually make the 3CB look good/solid.
The 3-5-2 system has yet undergone major test against top team. So jury still out there.

While when BR played 4 CB with Sakho at the fullback time, the team looked poor.

The plan B issue is about changing during the match, aka changing of tactic and personnel during the match, when play poorly, and manage to change the face of the match or result.
Not about change between matches.

But now the issue is not about plan B, but the tag of a 45 min team. tongue.gif

The mentality issue was already spotted since the match against Swansea.

If the team drop off purposely and due to tactically issue, by playing counter attack, then seems ok.
But second half often the team like run out of steam one.
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post Oct 8 2013, 05:03 PM

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I just read across news that,
Liverpool won the league title for the Women super league.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ol-8847697.html

I do not know there is a women league team before that.
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post Oct 8 2013, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 8 2013, 04:51 PM)
Great win for the U21 team but I think the Spurs team performed very poorly too.

Ally's through pass was rather impressive. If he keeps gaining fitness and improves, BR will have a massive headache. BR just described Enrique as one of the best leftbacks in the PL!

So how, brown cow?!
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 8 2013, 05:04 PM)
From the official site :
"Brendan Rodgers today backed Jose Enrique to prove why he has all the attributes to become one of the finest left-backs in the Barclays Premier League."

"There's no doubt that on his day he's one of the best in that position in this country."

Read the whole thing.
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Read the word in between... whistling.gif

The team has one of best striker pairing.
Now has one of best LB,
also Gerrard, one of best midfielder in the world.
One of best GK in the PL.
One of the best CB in the PL.

So many one of best,
if cannot be near the top of the league, or top 4, how? whistling.gif

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post Oct 8 2013, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 8 2013, 08:42 PM)
Sounds like we were always circling the hole but fail to enter it for 20 years.  brows.gif
Now that is, really frustrating  biggrin.gif
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Enough with best midfielder, best fullback, next Zidane in making, or whatever.

What's the point having best this best that, and yet cannot win anything or near at top of the league.

I would say just do the damn job week in week out by winning matches during the weekend. biggrin.gif

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post Oct 15 2013, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 15 2013, 03:18 PM)
When we sold Shelvey, I was of the opinion we should have let Henderson go instead but the latter has looked impressive this season after being eased into the squad. I reckon there was too much pressure on him in his first season with us as he was thrust immediately into the first team. The lad has proven to be hardworking, and persistent. Needs to be noted also that there is a physical element to his game. I was afraid that we'd be a little soft in midfield after Jonjo was sold. I do think that Henderson has the potential to play in Lucas' role which will be a big plus for us. Lucas struggled before adapting to that role but I think Henderson can acclimatise much quicker.
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May be the price tag that send the wrong expectation in the first place.
At 15~20 million price tag, may be many expect the player to be world beater, carry the ball pass 2-3 defender and score.
Or spraying diagonal passes like Gerrard did, curling freekick into top corner.

If the price tag was 7-8 million, many may say a good squad player.

The too high expectation sometimes does not do a favour for the player to develop.

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