Haha that's just gross man.
Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat
Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat
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Oct 11 2013, 11:56 PM
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Haha that's just gross man.
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Oct 13 2013, 11:23 PM
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With Lucas, Gerrard and Alonso those are 3 very off paced midfielders. If BR persists with 352 and going with 2 CMs and a CAM triangle, then Alonso would be playing in Gerrard's position as the other CM has to do more of the heavy lifting. Can't see us play both Gerrard and Alonso in midfield as they lack pace and tenacity, unless we play more like Juventus with 3 CMs. But Coutinho should be playing as the no 10 when he gets back, he is potentially a genuine playmaker and needs to play more centrally.
I can't wait to see who we sign. Hopefully a solid midfielder. |
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Oct 14 2013, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 14 2013, 11:06 AM) IF we do sign Alonso, I reckon it will be Lucas who will be phased out and Henderson who will move into a central role from his current wider position. He has shown great tenacity this season and often operates on both ends of the pitch, most notably against Crystal Palace. He has the energy and stamina to complement Gerrard and Alonso. But Lucas does read the game well. Perhaps mental and physical fatigue has slowly taken it's toll on him. Or maybe he has become disenchanted with the prospect of playing for Liverpool which has been quite a trend with foreign players lately i.e. Reina, Skrtel etc.In the event we play Lucas instead, we can play with 3 at the back as we have been to make up for the lack of pace by pushing one of our centrebacks up into midfield when needed. In any case, if someone lacks pace, they can make up for it by reading the game well. It's something Hamann did to great effect. I think both Allen and Hendo can do a job in midfield especially the former. Hendo has great engine but he can't bring the ball forward like Allen can. Both players have their strengths and weaknesses. With Alonso, i'm not sure how we will accommodate him. As he will essentially play in the same role as Gerrard. Do we rotate them? And will they be so open to the idea with World Cup around the corner ? |
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Oct 14 2013, 03:15 PM
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If Lucas is getting sold it is simply because we need the money for whatever reason. He's not had a good start this season but you could say the same for Gerrard. The other midfielders haven't had enough start so we can't exactly make any decent comparisons.
Hendo has had a good start this season but lets not get carried away. If i'm not mistaken, he has played only once this season in midfield and that was against C. Palace. I think we will know who BR rates more when we play Arsenal. |
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Oct 14 2013, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Oct 14 2013, 03:29 PM) Got to disagree with that part there, I don't think Hendo couldn't bring the ball forward, most probably he's just been restricted to do so by BR. Look back at last season, he did bring the ball forward and support the whole attack process, just this season he's been staying at the middle and holding both side of the pitch. I'm not saying he can't bring the ball forward at all. Just that he's not as good as Allen when it comes to bringing the ball forward at pace. Take a look at this clip here at 38 secs mark and onwards. It's that kind of directness and attacking mentality that i'm referring to. |
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Oct 14 2013, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Oct 14 2013, 06:28 PM) The whole video showing what he did during his time at Swansea, I am sorry to say that but he did not do all those during his time at Liverpool, he tend to hold the midfield and do side way passing most of the time. And I don't blame him, it could be BR again restricting the player. He did showed some great offensive ability just before he injured, but I just don't see his position if we bring in another midfield during Jan transfer. That's because he was used more as a defensive midfielder when Lucas was recovering from injury. He wasn't bought for his defensive quality but more for his ability on the ball and he hasn't really been given the chance to fulfill that role. I hope he gets his chance this season because imo, he's a natural central midfielder where as Hendo is more like a utility player. |
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Oct 14 2013, 08:49 PM
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Allen the Joe ? Do you work in a gift shop or something Dillo ? You come out with the most outrages nicknames lol.
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Oct 14 2013, 09:21 PM
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Hahaha nice list. Im going with Hoping for Illori
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Oct 15 2013, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 14 2013, 11:53 PM) People like Hendo is not appreciated much but in long term, it is vital for the club because he can fill in any part and still do a decent job. Role like this is of course very much underappreciated as compared to Allen's role of attacking and spreading passes to create chances. However, imo, if there is one to sacrifice between Allen, Lucas and Hendo, I would pick Allen and if Allen starts performing, I would then sacrifice Lucas. I would save Hendo last because very much like Kolo Toure who can fill RB, CB and DM, these are the players that who can give a lot more than the other. He reminds me a little of young gerrard who plays RB, RW, LW, CM , DM and moves to AM and then SS under rafa. They are important. I do appreciate Hendo. Hendo is a great asset to have due to his versatility and being English, but it's not fair to compare one set of players in poor form to another with a decent form. When Lucas and Allen were both on good form, Hendo couldn't even get close to the first team. And even then i didn't think we should sell Hendo as i believed he was a handy player. But Lucas at the top of his game was a beast - crisp passing, impeccable positioning and tenacious tackling. He was the league's best midfield destroyer for a period of two seasons until he got injured. Hendo hasn't really set any benchmark which is why BR kept picking Lucas ahead of Hendo. The question is whether Lucas can regain his form, if he does then there's no way we should even contemplate of selling him. He's also a great character to have in the team - remember the turmoil season of Hogdson ? A lesser player or person would not have rose to the occasion like Lucas did - there is no bigger test of character than that. Lucas can be sacrificed mainly because if(and ONLY IF) Alonso is coming, he would have spend more time on bench since Gerrard and Alonso would be rotating the the deep lying role. We would also have Toure, Sakho and Agger all being capable of playing at DM. But like I said, it all starts with IF and ended up with nothing usually. Doubt Alonso will be coming but if he did, it would be a great lift to the way now that we have a midfield general who can dictate play more effectively that anyone in the squad. QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 15 2013, 09:55 AM) I'm glad someone leh sees what I see. Allen was largely used to fill the gap vacated by the injured Lucas and clearly he looked like a fish out of water. The bloke simply isn't a defensive Titan. Whenever he's played in an advanced role however, he's impressed if only briefly because by that time, he was used sparingly as a substitute. During preseason he played further up the park and he looked impressive. I reckon he needs more game time in the opposition half. Agreed. Can't wait to see him back in the team this season.This post has been edited by hfi: Oct 15 2013, 01:39 PM |
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Oct 15 2013, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Oct 15 2013, 01:46 PM) This. Well it's kind of both simple yet complicated situation for them. For Kagawa to play as the no 10, Rooney would have to be pushed out wide so it's either one or the other for them. The fact that they rebuffed Chelsea's interest in Rooney meant Moyes valued Rooney very highly. Unfortunately, Kagawa is not very effective out wide so he's stuck in a limbo at the moment.Same thing going on at United with Kagawa. That dude is talented. So is it his fault for not knowing how to play in an unfamiliar position or is it Moyes' for not knowing how to utilize his talents? |
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Oct 15 2013, 04:03 PM
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Dillon, were you still making list before you slept ? How fooking inappropriate indeed |
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Oct 17 2013, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 17 2013, 12:54 PM) Alas, here comes the personal attacks & emotional 1119 essays. Wounded ego and butthurt? Give me a freakin break. Single me out if u want, I couldn't be bothered about it. There's always a price to pay for going against the flow. You are not the first one I clashed my opinion with and definitely will not be the last one. I speak out what I see and I keep it real. You said you don't take yourselves seriously and then you wrote this marvelous piece. No need to be so emotional. Would rather talk about football rather than drawn into another moral debate about how to be a fan or so. Seriously, give it a rest. Carloz man, i think even you can see and appreciate the tone of Led'z post. I don't think it was his intent to attack you, in fact he even offer an apology at the end of his post. He made an effort to have an open conversation with you and his post alluded that much. The least you could do is return the courtesy. |
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Oct 17 2013, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 17 2013, 11:30 AM) Ditto. Personally I think he's a good player, neat and tidy and I'm sure he would do well in a team like Southampton or Swansea. However, whether he could step up to another level is a doubt. Based on our current squad, it will be hard for him to break into the first team. He has neither the engine of Henderson, the defensive abilities of Lucas nor the passing range of Gerrard. He has lots of ground to cover. I was watching Ibrahimovic interview the other day and he said he prefer Messi over C.Ronaldo because the former is a more natural footballer and the latter is a trained product. That kinda reminded me of Allen and Hendo. Allen for me is the more natural footballer, where as Hendo struct me as a train product. I remember all those club's individual competitions where Hendo always ended up winning against the likes of Suarez, Downing, Coates etc. But of course Suarez turns out to be a whole different beast on the pitch because his natural football instincts come to play at the most crucial of moments where as Hendo football intelligence kinda lets him down. I believe that's why we need to see Allen is in his favored position before passing judgement, it is when he has the ball and space to attack that his football instinct comes alive. |
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Oct 17 2013, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 17 2013, 04:50 PM) Agree with you on his qualities. I remember when he first came in, he was shoulders above the rest. That's not saying a lot considering how crap the rest of the squad was doing but you knew he had the qualities - made the right decisions, kept the ball flowing and the moves tidy and always presenting himself as an option. But he needs to regain that form and confidence and also perform consistently in the team. To do that he needs game time. But I have a question, what's his favourite position? He used to play in Gerrard's current role in Swansea but I don't see Rodgers dropping Gerrard at all. If he should be played further upfront where he could cause the most damage, we have Coutinho and Alberto - 2 natural footballers no less - above the pecking order. It's going to be a tough mountain to climb. I reckon a ball winning midfielder that operates higher than the conventional anchor midfielder like Lucas. I really do feel he is one of the better midfielder to play the pressing game and still have the passing and dribbling ability to dominate the ball. Is it a mere coincidence that we stopped playing possession football without Allen in the team ? Gerrard may seem irreplaceable but once the other midfielders start putting on some good performance, i reckon he would have little choice but to make some changes. Having said that, Gerrard has played 2 great games for England so perhaps his form is returning. That goal against Poland shows he still got it when given the license to attack. |
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