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 Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat

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Rotuham
post Sep 23 2013, 10:26 PM

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Sorry chris lam,i don't think BR is to be blamed fully for the team's performances.
All the players he has bought has performed so far barring aspas and alberto(never played much though).The problem is our midfielders who were already here before BR.

I think kelly should have came on in the second half which is where BR could have done better.Perhaps he also should have started with sterling or alberto.He did recognise this which is why he brought on sterling at half time and alberto later;something which rafa,roy or kenny never did.With all the injuries and suspension for our team BR could not have done much better.The most we could have gotten from southampton game was a goalless draw.

Lets see the list: Johnson,agger(not fully fit),kelly(out since last year),coutinho,cissokho,enrique,suarez.

Thats half the first team out with injuries or suspension.

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post Sep 23 2013, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 23 2013, 10:53 PM)
I think saying either Kenny or Rafa never gave youth a chance is a bit harsh. We need to remember that Suso and Sterling were only 16 year old or so when Kenny was in charge and even younger during Rafa's time with us. Having said this, a young team consists of mostly 18 year olds would not bode well with Rafa's football. Mainly because Rafa's method of play is way too complex and punishing for young players. They need to be fully conditioned for it and that requires muscle and endurance development. And tactical understanding is only gained through years of experience and mental maturity.

But other than that, i agree that the entire team ranging from players and manager had played a part in our defeat to Soto.
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I was referring to the timing of substitutions.Kenny and rafa never made substitutions at half time whenever we were struggling to score.
They usually leave it up to 80 minutes played by which any changes are rendered ineffective.It was especially worse in rafa's last season and used to frustrate the hell out of me.

If you noticed over the years managers like ferguson and mourinho used to make big changes at half time or at 60 minutes whenever things weren't going in their way.

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post Sep 24 2013, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(harry1125 @ Sep 24 2013, 05:36 PM)
2moro milo cup vs manchester united, full strength squad or focus on league?
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Focus on league but BR might field almost full strength.I feel gerrard should be benched.He can be the supersub if we are looking for a goal.
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post Sep 24 2013, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 24 2013, 09:35 PM)
Back in the day the League Cup had a little more prestige, just like how the UEFA Cup was more valuable than today's Europa Cup. Point is that today, the League Cup is a competition where most Premiership sides field their reserves but this was not so before. Hence, winning it carries very little weight. If it were 2 decades ago, King Kenny might have kept his job.

Yes, losing to Sunderland would be a disaster.
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Bill shankly said the league is our bread and butter.
which means league cup is biscuit.

The prize money for league cup is 100k which I doubt is enough to cover suarez one week wages.
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post Sep 25 2013, 04:48 PM

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I'll be more than happy if suarez doesn't get red carded even if he doesn't score.
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post Sep 26 2013, 02:09 AM

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Where's allen? sad.gif
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post Sep 26 2013, 04:59 AM

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Problem is BR took this game too seriously.Should have rested main players.I think most of us anticipated loss.

The onslaught on BR will begin if we fail to beat sunderland.People are gonna criticise him for overplaying some of our players.
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post Sep 26 2013, 05:13 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 26 2013, 05:01 AM)
He should start rotating. Gerrard and Lucas should not start every god damn game. Move Hendo to center with Toure...Couldn't be any worse than Gerrard and Lucas...Put Moses and Alberto on the flanks if not Sterling/Ibe/Aspas on the wide with Sturridge and Suarez upfront.
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Actually I felt gerrard lucas were good for the first three games.However after woy england games gerrard looks exhausted.Today was the right opportunity to rest him but I feel BR screwed up.

We can only hope it wont haunt us against sunderland because like someone said earlier we dont have better midfielders.

We want mata and costa in january!
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post Sep 26 2013, 05:20 AM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Sep 26 2013, 05:03 AM)
Funny Gerrard n Lucas was wut we think was lacking in our squad when both were injured. sad.gif

With Soton, we tot LS7 return wud be it. But still no.

So wut is it?
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Marquee signings bro.

The willians,the eriksens,the mkhitaryans,the matas,the negredos,the paulinhos.
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post Sep 26 2013, 05:35 AM

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That's where you must change your thinking.When do our line up get it?when we are out of contention for every comp and nothing to play for.

Did you see how paulinho got spurs three points?These guys are winners.Can you imagine henderson or allen scoring a 90th minute winner for us if we're drawing 0-0? They may be decent players but they are not winners.

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post Sep 26 2013, 02:00 PM

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Lets do a summary of BR's transfer success with regards to getting into first team.

Mignolet- success
Toure-success
aspas-failure so far
alberto-no significant game time
sakho-success
cissokho-injured
coutinho-success
sturridge-success
illori-not played yet

That's more than 50% success rate with potential for further improvements.

Compare with kenny
enrique-success
downing-failure
henderson-failure
adam -failure
doni-failure

that's only a 20% success rate.If you think henderson is a success it still gives you a max of 40% success rate which is less than br.I have excluded their first transfer windows as they are still new to the job.

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post Sep 26 2013, 03:06 PM

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What i did was quantitative analysis not qualitative analysis.As for henderson i doubt he would get into the team if coutinho was available.

BR's current 50% success rate translates that for every two player he buys one is definitely a success.
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post Sep 26 2013, 11:48 PM

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Last time we had world class midfield but didn't have good front line.Now we have one of the best front line but we don't have good midfield.

Haih.LFC is forever cursed.Suarez fit,coutinho out.
Then when coutinho is fit who is gonna be out? =(
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post Sep 27 2013, 03:46 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 26 2013, 10:55 PM)
I really fancy our Captain to come back with his form. All was lost for him at the early stages of last season until he criticized his own performance and said he needed to improve. And then came superb performances such as the goal against MU and the screamer against MC.

Give him abit more time. I expect him to come back strongly yet again. Hopefully against Sunderland, he will pick it up.
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Our captain can regain his form if puts aside his stupid ambitions for england.What does he hope to achieve with roy?

I wont be surprised if he plays poorly against sunderland.He's been overplayed and if that continues he is gonna get injured at some point.
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post Sep 27 2013, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Sep 27 2013, 05:05 PM)
this..I..no (more) comments, said my piece before.

maybe next i will be labelled as (staunch) anti rodgers.  sad.gif  i want him to do well (for us)
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You are a rafa apologist.Just admit it tongue.gif

Tomorrow one of chelsea or tottenham are gonna lose points or even both and I have no doubt we will fail to take advantage of it as usual.
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post Sep 28 2013, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 28 2013, 11:06 AM)
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Lol.I suppose that's carragher as the iconic player.
The respected player could be agger or skrtel.
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post Sep 28 2013, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Sep 28 2013, 11:47 PM)
Anyway, Yaya Toure really impressive, his interception really top class, his play making also.
Is it possible for us to snatch him in January, so the brothers could live and play together gether again..?  biggrin.gif
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Even west brom can beat united at OT.Liverpool full strength also cannot doh.gif

I think arsenal might draw later drool.gif
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post Sep 29 2013, 01:25 AM

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Every now and then there is talk of torres coming back.
I don't want him back for footballing reasons.He is inconsistent these days and will be 30years old soon.

We better move for someone like diego costa.We must try and get him or someone similar in january if we are serious about top 4.
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post Sep 29 2013, 02:13 AM

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Chill guys no fighting now.
The fighting will commence tomorrow shortly after our match tongue.gif
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post Sep 29 2013, 04:41 AM

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QUOTE(K.H.A.I @ Sep 29 2013, 04:01 AM)
ever heard pirlo,klose?
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There's more proof of olders players their era who have since passed their peak.

players who relied on speed and acceleration: michael owen,ronaldinho,henry,drogba are past their best.

only players who are based on technique and vision play at the highest level for long.zidane,scholes,pirlo,alonso.Perhaps goalkeepers as well.

Very very few strikers can remain on top for long.Torres is definitely not one of them as he has lost his pace and acceleration.

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