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 Sony XPERIA™ Z1, Official Thread V2, 5"FHD, 20.7MP-GLens (lossless D. Zoom)

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post Sep 20 2013, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(joytest @ Sep 20 2013, 10:19 PM)
Your posts 2, 3, 5, 6 are waaayyy too big when viewed in desktop firefox.
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Use Chrome la, it auto resize and fit nicely.
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post Sep 20 2013, 11:50 PM

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Welcome Andrew_1980 as TS. smile.gif
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post Sep 21 2013, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(joytest @ Sep 21 2013, 12:01 AM)
I'm using a 1920x1200 monitor. I know Chrome can resize but I have a preference for FF.
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Haha! Then no choice and your resolution really weird.
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post Sep 21 2013, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(joytest @ Sep 21 2013, 12:19 AM)
No arr.... 16:10 I like. More vertical pixels.

I don't mind the 120pixel black bar when watching a movie.
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16:10 - ok, ... Haha!
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post Sep 21 2013, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 21 2013, 09:15 AM)
Some camera review from a Vietnamese site.

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This review is misleading if you can't read Vietnamese and didn't do translation.

Those macro shot is additional attached with macro clip support.
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post Sep 21 2013, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(uzary @ Sep 21 2013, 10:47 AM)
Thats y for me these water resistance feature is a precaution in case we accidently dropped the phone into the water. But to test it by submerge it for fun still a bad idea.btw my cousin's acro s also water leaked inside when he was playing with it in the pool. And even samsung s4 active suffered from this issue.
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Normatter how hard manufacture do, water still an enemies of electrical devices.
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QUOTE(Xirality @ Sep 21 2013, 01:15 PM)
Too bad. Maybe still a lot of people buy Sammy and iPong  tongue.gif
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Maxis seems not carry Note 3 this time as well. From people comment, Maxis plain carry iPhone 5S/5C only.

Maxis is fruity fans, I think Maxis shall change name to iMaxis.

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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Sep 21 2013, 01:33 PM)
Onion Bokeh this bokeh.

Tamron 24-70mm has Onion Bokeh.

The Nikon doesn't.

They call it Onion Bokeh because it looks like an Onion being sliced across in half.

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Now look at the Bokeh on the Z1.

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But then again, if the guy was using some Macro add-on clip, the Onion Bokeh could have resulted from using that add-on.
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If you mean that Vietnam site, he is using macro ring, his sample photo is misleading and total out.

And I Don't know what onion bokeh you talk about also, I only know some lens cannot generate circle bokeh but Hexagon bokeh. But for me both got it nice moment actually.

You are looking at mobile camera not DSLR lens, bokeh output is by how many blade inside the lens, don't you think you hope too much? Thanks it can given you some bokeh effect as it is just a mobile phone.

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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Sep 21 2013, 05:03 PM)
name taken  laugh.gif
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Hahaha! Maxis must be really sad about it. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Andrew_1980 @ Sep 21 2013, 04:42 PM)
He fall in love with that camera features sweat.gif
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DSLR is DSLR, not everyone fancy on it. It is big, heavy and bulky, not suitable for daily carry and not for every moment taken.

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QUOTE(Xirality @ Sep 21 2013, 05:29 PM)
They are the first to bring iPhone to Malaysia right?  Back when iPhone 3G.
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QUOTE(jloi @ Sep 21 2013, 05:42 PM)
Shift the words. Become iMaxs... XD
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Lol...
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QUOTE(jloi @ Sep 21 2013, 05:53 PM)
Walkthrough from Android Central


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Crash and Factory Reset at end talk by the reviewer.

Sony if not able to solve that probably silly fake hang and SOD. Sony soon will big headache with Z1 and Z Ultra!
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post Sep 22 2013, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Sep 22 2013, 12:55 AM)
I may not have been that clear with my statement, or maybe you missed the photo.

My comment has nothing to do with the shape, how round, how hexoganish etc. the bokeh is. Again, refer to the image below.

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It is to do with the texture within the bokeh itself. Compare between the Tamron and the Nikon. What do you see? The Nikon's bokeh is smooth and milky. The Tamron's bokeh on the other hand, has a similar texture to that of a sliced onion, hence the term "Onion Bokeh". See embedded image below in the spoiler for that of a sliced onion to see the similarity.

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Now, referring back to the image taken from the Vietnamese website, ignoring the shape of the bokeh (center bokehs are round, bokehs on the sides will be different).

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Viewing the image in the spoiler, you can see especially in the center bokeh, there are clear evidences of the Onion textures.

I hope this is clear now. I understand the mechanics of bokeh, how round it is dependent on the aperture blades etc., which is a whole different issue. I am talking about the texture of it. Not its shape.
Actually, I would rather it not have the bokeh if it is going to be the onion ones. LOL.

It is one reason I ended up paying extra for a 24-70mm 2.8L even though the Tamron is much cheaper. It gets really messy and dirty. But of course that's subjective. One person's poison is another person's perfume.

Edit: To place the onion photo into a spoiler so as to not affect the post size.
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oh. Ok, get it. smile.gif

Smooth sure look nice and clean. smile.gif

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post Sep 22 2013, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Sep 22 2013, 01:13 AM)
mmhmmm

Smooth would be preferable. I rather have no bokeh at all than to have one that's onion shaped, but gotta wait for someone to really test it. Could be an issue with the macro clip that guy was using.
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QUOTE(Stitchie @ Sep 22 2013, 03:10 AM)
i pointed out that the conclusion is biased and not fair for z1, and my comment got deleted =.=
what should i say? a very trusted and fair website for phone now turn into what?
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GSMArena is famous deleting comments against them.

That site is kind of shit long ago.
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post Sep 22 2013, 03:25 PM

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I love my own review. tongue.gif

Kidding.....

I more prefer android authority, engadget, Pocket now and phonearena.

No more GSMArena after I notice they are not pro especially in camera part. Last time they can do compare with enlarging, really crap lo....
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QUOTE(Andrew_1980 @ Sep 22 2013, 03:27 PM)
Bro you member tittle haven't change tongue.gif

I tot your Xiao Mi is from friend? Last time I saw you said will pass to your sister when bought Note 3
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I still using XiaoMi 2s, haven't getting note 3 yet.

Not passing to my sister, I said I might buy XiaoMi 3 for my sister after getting the note 3.
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post Sep 23 2013, 11:30 AM

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Just check out the comparison photos by NZtechfreak - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2446868

My Conclusion:

Outdoor
  • Nokia 808 - quite dark and dull, the photo missing light source, overall is not sharp.
  • Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - crazy sharp, a bit over sharpen but still under control, color is more warmer from others.
  • Samsung Galaxy S4 - Colorless, too bright, whole sky is whiten out. Over exposure.
  • Sony Xperia Z1 - I find it look the nicest actually, the color tone is much better than rest, well exposure.
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Nokia 808

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Samsung Galaxy Note 3

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Samsung Galaxy S 4

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Sony Xperia Z1


Indoor
  • Nokia 808 - Awesome, nothing to complain.
  • Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - Quite ok also, but seems this time S4 is much sharpen.
  • Samsung Galaxy S4 - Sharp, but color a bit cool.
  • Sony Xperia Z1 - Weaknesses of Sony algorithm is out here! bad noise control, check the top left corner, the only show noise here. The worst output.
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Nokia 808

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Samsung Galaxy Note 3

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Samsung Galaxy S 4

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Sony Xperia Z1


Summary
  • Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - It might not win in all category, but it is the safer among all, no worried snapping in any condition.
  • Nokia 808 - It never is my favor since launching, I not talk about the OS, but the camera itself, I know it had crazy great lossless digital zoom but I always find it photo a bit under expose when snap outdoor.
  • Samsung Galaxy S 4 - Not my favor also as it always colorless, thanks Samsung fixed it under Note 3.
  • Sony Xperia Z1 - As usual, Sony still cannot proper control it auto mode, I believe the tester snap at Auto Superior Mode, and I notice that indoor photo has been push up to ISO 1000, that why noise appear, where others only in between ISO 125 to ISO 160. Z1 is still an awesome camera if you know to manual control handle it, by the way it is the second company out lossless digital zoom. Zoom lover will like it.
Origin file here - https://www.dropbox.com/s/l39au9dc6rvfm3n/Compare.zip
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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 23 2013, 11:31 AM)
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y still compare to 808?
i'd rather see comparison with HTC One
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Maybe the user don't have others phone.

No need compare with HTC One, frank said HTC One camera really fail, the color output is the worst I ever seen. It is weird yellowish + over saturation.
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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Sep 23 2013, 11:36 AM)
Comparison with 5S was posted not long ago - http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4544/...eria-z1-review/
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Thanks for that post, I am downloading origin photo and check it out now. smile.gif

QUOTE(suadrif @ Sep 23 2013, 11:37 AM)
i dont feel it to be trustable  sweat.gif
never mind for all of u, but i dont think its for me
just personal preference  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I think it is trustable, all Exif is there.

But, after check around all the photos, I notice ISO is pushing up really high for Note 3 where it is under control for Z1. I don't think Samsung push that high ever base on my experience usage.

Base on previous site user compare, it is opposite where Z1 is pushing higher ISO in dark shoot - and this is what always Sony did in auto mode.

We not sure the user using what mode actually, if the user at eprice using auto mode, then Sony already fix the auto algorithm, else the comparison is unfair if the Z1 is shot under manual mode.

Short Conclusion assuming all is auto mode.

Outdoor Flower
- iPhone 5s seems a bit less expose than others, a bit too dark. Note 3 and Z1 is awesome.

Outdoor City
- I find the Note 3 the best as the whole photo looks bright and great contrast, iPhone 5s the second, last is Z1 as the Grand Theft is not clear as others.

Indoor Dragon Toy
- No doubt Z1 the best. Worst Note 3, it auto push to ISO 1000, hmm, I never seen Samsung phone auto that high.

Indoor Food Court
- iPhone 5s too dark, but well control the light source, all the food photo is clear. Note 3 is blur, Z1 the best.

Outdoor - Night Scene
- Z1 if auto mode really can control at ISO 400, then it is really great. The best, another 2 is too bad to comment.


evilhomura89 Now I know why you feel not trusted also, and eprice is always Sony fans site.

Edit: I just read the user review, it seems the user play manual mode in night shoot, in this case it is really unfair if photo not shoot in same ISO if want play manual mode. I am going to by pass this user review then.

It is obvious the user pick the safer ISO range for Z1 (ISO-400) but pushing over limit for Note 3 (ISO-1000).


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