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post Sep 18 2013, 09:29 PM, updated 13y ago

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If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.

After you defeated and landed the fish, you release it again... to fish for another day... If that's not cruel, I don't think anything is...









BRB Imma go play 'fishing' with a cat... you know, put food in the hook... entice the cat to eat that food... ah you know the drill

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post Sep 18 2013, 09:35 PM

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im fishing wimminz

its not cruel at all

she seems to enjoy my 17"
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:35 PM

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if the fish dont fight then ppl wont have the thrill liao.. will stop fishing..

just like rape.. dun fight then ok liao
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Sep 18 2013, 09:35 PM)
im fishing wimminz

its not cruel at all

she seems to enjoy my 17"
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(lohmaikai @ Sep 18 2013, 09:35 PM)
if the fish dont fight then ppl wont have the thrill liao.. will stop fishing..

just like rape.. dun fight then ok liao
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Cats will fight too./.. why don't they 'fish' cats?
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:37 PM

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paip paip also cruel sport........... brows.gif brows.gif
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:39 PM

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No fishing enthusiast wanna reply here ka?
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 09:37 PM)
Cats will fight too./.. why don't they 'fish' cats?
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so u dun suka your bini say jgnlah abang jahatlah abang tak maulah abang when u piap piap?

masuk je bang uh...sambil aku tengok tv
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QUOTE(lohmaikai @ Sep 18 2013, 09:36 PM)
sportrim ka?
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:50 PM

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it is cruel, but people who call it sport (like those who shoots animal in the name of sport) have thousand of excuses to legalize what they are doing.

Different ideology, different perspective.
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:52 PM

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I always think fishing is cruel, no matter you release it afterward or not,
imagine some allien from sky use a hook to drag you up though your mouth when u eating
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:52 PM

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Animal Rights Uncompromised: Catch-and-Release Fishing

Catch-and-release fishing is cruelty disguised as "sport." Studies show that fish who are caught and then returned to the water suffer such severe physiological stress that they often die of shock. Fish often swallow hooks, and anglers may try to retrieve a hook by shoving their fingers or pliers down the fish's throat, ripping out not just the hook but some of the fish's throat and guts as well. When fish are handled, the protective coating on their bodies is disturbed. These and other injuries make fish easy targets for predators once they are returned to the water.

Fish feel pain because, like all animals, they have nerves. Hooked fish struggle out of fear and physical pain, desperate to breathe. Once fish are hauled out of their aqueous environment and into ours, they begin to suffocate, and their gills often collapse. In commercial fishing, fish's swim bladders can rupture because of the sudden change in pressure.

Angling hurts other animals too. Every year, anglers leave behind a trail of tackle victims that includes millions of birds, turtles, and other animals who suffer debilitating injuries after they swallow fishhooks or become entangled in fishing line. Wildlife rehabilitators say that discarded fishing tackle is one of the greatest threats to aquatic animals.

Fishing is far from a harmless pastime. Please encourage anglers to ditch their poles and try alternative activities, such as hiking, camping, and mengumpul setem.



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post Sep 18 2013, 09:57 PM

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post Sep 18 2013, 10:00 PM

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damn this tered is making me hungry for ikan bakar la..
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post Sep 18 2013, 10:04 PM

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fishing is rike piap2 oso maa . . . catch n release. . .

ini malam tangkap, besok pagi kasi lepas laaa. . . laugh.gif
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post Sep 18 2013, 10:06 PM

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but i heard pompuan kaki pancing ni pengecat dinding. . . betul ke?
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post Sep 18 2013, 10:09 PM

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i dont think all fish got any stress. some makan hook ady then putus. then makan again one more time and kena landed.


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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 09:29 PM)
If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.

After you defeated and landed the fish, you release it again... to fish for another day... If that's not cruel, I don't think anything is...
BRB Imma go play 'fishing' with a cat... you know, put food in the hook... entice the cat to eat that food... ah you know the drill
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post Sep 18 2013, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(ZforZebra @ Sep 18 2013, 10:09 PM)
i dont think all fish got any stress. some makan hook ady then putus. then makan again one more time and kena landed.
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QUOTE(yuusuke-kun @ Sep 18 2013, 09:50 PM)
it is cruel, but people who call it sport (like those who shoots animal in the name of sport) have thousand of excuses to legalize what they are doing.

Different ideology, different perspective.
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QUOTE(mashed-potato @ Sep 18 2013, 09:37 PM)
paip paip also cruel sport........... brows.gif  brows.gif
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post Sep 18 2013, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(supermoto @ Sep 18 2013, 10:11 PM)
dont abuse cat later cellfreezer user posted image
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post Sep 18 2013, 10:14 PM

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post Sep 18 2013, 10:14 PM

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Majlis fatwa should just declare that sport fishing (fishing, other than to eat) Haram...
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How can I abuse Cattitude?
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one animal abuser sudah butthurt...
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post Sep 18 2013, 10:15 PM

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jeremy wade must be really cruel
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 10:13 PM)
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put more blackberry so that cellfreezer will summon Cattitude
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post Sep 18 2013, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Cattitude @ Sep 18 2013, 10:22 PM)
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If I 'fish' cats, would you be angry?
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yes very cruel indeed!!!!
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 10:23 PM)
If I 'fish' cats, would you be angry?
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 09:29 PM)
If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.

After you defeated and landed the fish, you release it again... to fish for another day... If that's not cruel, I don't think anything is...
BRB Imma go play 'fishing' with a cat... you know, put food in the hook... entice the cat to eat that food... ah you know the drill
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its fun. the most fun part is where u unhook the hook.pull till the mouth of the fish got teared.damn its funnn
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 10:23 PM)
If I 'fish' cats, would you be angry?
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ya agree with ts... it is cruel!!!
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post Sep 19 2013, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 10:14 PM)
Majlis fatwa should just declare that sport fishing (fishing, other than to eat) Haram...
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ahahahahahahahaha, u just made my day, they will declare sport fishing haram, only when eating chicken and beef is haram. everything also wanna haram, i think being poor also haram la cuz it makes u suffer
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/...30808123719.htm
fish do not feel pain
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so you mean jeremy wade is cruel la
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 09:29 PM)
If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.

After you defeated and landed the fish, you release it again... to fish for another day... If that's not cruel, I don't think anything is...
BRB Imma go play 'fishing' with a cat... you know, put food in the hook... entice the cat to eat that food... ah you know the drill
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eating chickens, cows, goats also cruel

eating vegetables also cruel, coz animals become homeless from the clearing of forest.


stay in house also cruel, coz monkeys no more trees to sleep.



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post Sep 19 2013, 10:37 PM

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Let's feed the trolls. Just like fish feed frenzy. Taruk makan taruk makan

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 09:29 PM)
If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.

After you defeated and landed the fish, you release it again... to fish for another day... If that's not cruel, I don't think anything is...
BRB Imma go play 'fishing' with a cat... you know, put food in the hook... entice the cat to eat that food... ah you know the drill
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then tell ur mom dont cook chicken,its too cruel,they just live for surviving,or any animal u eat,toooo cruel cry.gif cry.gif
if you're a vegetarian, don't eat vege,their have life too(though vegetrian din think so),just vege don't scream when dying
there ton's of wrong doing that human did,which some are extremely cruel,so just keep your opinion to your own and make your own choice,don't try to be busybody or ''priest''. You opinion on internet will make no different,i prefer you do some charity or conservation on animal planet,which is more meaningful rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(mobileapps @ Sep 19 2013, 10:37 PM)
eating chickens, cows, goats also cruel

eating vegetables also cruel, coz animals become homeless from the clearing of forest.
stay in house also cruel, coz monkeys no more trees to sleep.
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Anglers in general bodo tak tau baca ka?

my post - ' If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.'


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QUOTE(mobileapps @ Sep 19 2013, 10:37 PM)
eating chickens, cows, goats also cruel

eating vegetables also cruel, coz animals become homeless from the clearing of forest.
stay in house also cruel, coz monkeys no more trees to sleep.
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Anglers in general bodo tak tau baca ka?

my post - ' If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.'


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QUOTE(nickchk89 @ Sep 19 2013, 10:46 PM)
then tell ur mom dont cook chicken,its too cruel,they just live for surviving,or any animal u eat,toooo cruel  cry.gif  cry.gif
if you're a vegetarian, don't eat vege,their have life too(though vegetrian din think so),just vege don't scream when dying
there ton's of wrong doing that human did,which some are extremely cruel,so just keep your opinion to your own and make your own choice,don't try to be busybody or ''priest''. You opinion on internet will make no different,i prefer you do some charity or conservation on animal planet,which is more meaningful  rclxms.gif
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Anglers in general bodo tak tau baca ka?

my post - ' If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.'

kesian your mum dapat anak bodo macam adik ammoshaf...
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Sep 19 2013, 10:34 PM)
so you mean jeremy wade is cruel la
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jeremy who?

if he fish just for the thrill, yes he's cruel
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Hooked on a Cruel Sport
Finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.
by Jeff Jacoby

I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat, fish, and fowl. I don't oppose experimenting on animals when necessary for medical research. I like zoos. I have no moral objection to wearing fur or leather. I think it's okay to keep pet dogs on a leash and birds in a cage. And while I admire the work of the American Humane Association, I am no supporter of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) or its fanatic agenda.

But I do think sport fishing is cruel.

By sport fishing I mean catch-and-release fishing -- fishing for fun and adventure, not for food. I have no quarrel with the man who takes a salmon or trout out of the water and eats it for dinner, even if he greatly enjoys the taking. What appalls me is fishing for its own sake. I don't doubt that it can be thrilling to drag a fish through the water by a barbed hook in its mouth, or that there is pleasure in making it struggle frantically, or that it is exciting to force a wild creature to exhaust itself in a desperate bid to get free. I don't deny the allure of it all. But finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.

One of PETA's billboards shows a dog with a barbed hook through its lip, and asks: "If you wouldn't do this to a dog, why do it to a fish?" PETA's analogies are frequently tasteless and morally repugnant, but this one is exactly right. No one would throw Fido a Milk-Bone with a hook hidden inside and then, when the barb had pierced his mouth and he was trying violently to shake it loose, drag him to a place where he couldn't breathe. Anyone who did such a thing would be condemned for his brutality. Is it any less brutal to do it to a fish?

Writing a few years ago in Orion, a magazine about nature and culture, essayist and avid outdoorsman Ted Kerasote opened a piece about the ethics of catch-and-release fishing with a quote from a fellow outdoorsman, "the philosopher, mountaineer, and former angler Jack Turner."



"Imagine using worms and flies to catch mountain bluebirds or pine grosbeaks," Turner told him, "or maybe eagles and ospreys, and hauling them around on 50 feet of line while they tried to get away. Then when you landed them, you'd release them. No one would tolerate that sort of thing with birds. But we will for fish because they're underwater and out of sight."

I can hear the indignant reply of countless anglers: Fish are different! Unlike dogs and birds and other advanced animals, fish don't feel pain. The hook doesn't hurt them.

But there is mounting evidence that fish do feel pain. A team of marine biologists at Edinburgh's Roslin Institute make the case in a paper just published by the Royal Society, one of Britain's leading scientific institutes. Their experiments with rainbow trout prove the presence of pain receptors in fish, and show that fish undergoing a "potentially painful experience" react with "profound behavioral and physiological changes . . . over a prolonged period comparable to those observed in higher mammals."

Other studies have demonstrated the agitated responses of fish to painful conditions, from rapid respiration to color changes to the secretion of stress hormones. Does this mean that a fish feels pain in just the way we do, or that its small brain can "understand" the painful event? No. It does mean that the ordeal of being hooked through the mouth, yanked at the end of a fishing line, and prevented from breathing each time its body leaves the water is intensely unpleasant and distressing. To put a fish through that ordeal in order to eat fresh fish is one thing. But to do it for fun?

Anglers tell themselves that catch-and-release fishing is more humane and nature-friendly than catching fish and killing them. That strikes me as a conscience-salving fib. Hurting an animal for enjoyment is never nature-friendly, even if the animal doesn't die. Sport fishing is clearly more cruel than hunting. Hunters don't torment their prey or force it to engage in frenzied combat. They aim to kill the animal, as quickly and painlessly as possible. But how many sport fisherman want a quick kill? Where's the excitement in that?

"We angle because we like the fight," Kerasote writes. "Otherwise all of us would be using hookless [flies] and not one angler in 10,000 does. The hook allows us to control and exert power over fish, over one of the most beautiful and seductive forms of nature, and then, because we're nice to the fish, releasing them 'unharmed,' we can receive both psychic dispensation and blessing. Needless to say, if you think about this relationship carefully, it's not a comforting one, for it is a game of dominance followed by cathartic pardons, which . . . is one of the hallmarks of an abusive relationship." (His essay in Orion, by the way, was titled "Catch and Deny.")

I'm not blind to the beauty of fishing, to the peace many find in it, to the connection it affords to the water and the surrounding landscape. But any sport that depends for its enjoyability on forcing an animal to fight for its life is wrong. Wrong for what it does to the fish. Even more wrong for what it does to the fisherman.

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 09:29 PM)
If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.

After you defeated and landed the fish, you release it again... to fish for another day... If that's not cruel, I don't think anything is...
BRB Imma go play 'fishing' with a cat... you know, put food in the hook... entice the cat to eat that food... ah you know the drill
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HEY YOU EAT SHIT
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HEY YOU EAT SHIT
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ƒuck your mother...
ƒuck your ancestors...

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QUOTE(Manlet @ Sep 18 2013, 09:35 PM)
im fishing wimminz

its not cruel at all

she seems to enjoy my 17"
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 03:11 AM)
Anglers in general bodo tak tau baca ka?

my post - ' If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.'
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eating animal = still cruelty. subjecting animals to lifetime of suffering, from birth to death. cramped in small confined spaces, force fed until they cant move. live in dilapidating conditions, some end up crippled

i'd say fishing is even less cruel, because the fish HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE.

But your consumption of industrialized food, animals HAVE ZERO FIGHTING CHANCE

You're still a hypocrite.
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 03:17 AM)
Anglers in general bodo tak tau baca ka?

my post - ' If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.'

kesian your mum dapat anak bodo macam adik ammoshaf...
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lol,i never fish before,might fish once in primary though,with nets biggrin.gif
if you can read my comment as well,my point is please use better approach to doing something,rant on /k/ won't save ur dear fish suffering rclxms.gif
the reason i comment you,is you're sound too much like a sunday priest,think you're the ''white'' knight and have better moral than other thus comment what other people should or should not do, you're God? why not go out and make a campaign to stop people from fishing for fun? hmm.gif
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Which just shows ts knows nothing about catch and release.

Peeple do catch and release because they wanna give a chance for the fish to breed. If every person brings back every fish from big to small, what would be left ? Ever heard of OVERFISHING ? Never thought of that eh?
Pikir perut je
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 18 2013, 09:29 PM)
If you're fishing to eat, then fine... All you larat makan, you fish la.

Don't fish just for the sake of your enjoyment 'fighting' the fish... You might enjoy it. The fish don't. They're fighting for their lives.

After you defeated and landed the fish, you release it again... to fish for another day... If that's not cruel, I don't think anything is...
BRB Imma go play 'fishing' with a cat... you know, put food in the hook... entice the cat to eat that food... ah you know the drill
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u belong to mars...go back..earth's not safe for folks like u.....

if u think fishing is cruel, u must be blind all these while to other 'sports'... doh.gif

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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 20 2013, 09:14 AM)
u belong to mars...go back..earth's not safe for folks like u.....

if u think fishing is cruel, u must be blind all these while to other 'sports'...  doh.gif
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What other sports?

Bull fighting? Yes it's cruel...

Cock fighting? Yup...

Same as sport fishing...

Live with it... Pipu got their own view too you know... Jangan nak sakit juboq sangat pipu call your 'sport' cruel whistling.gif

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Anglers care passionately about the protection of fish stocks and do more than any other group to protect and improve freshwater and salwater environments
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 09:45 AM)
What other sports?

Bull fighting? Yes it's cruel...

Cock fighting? Yup...

Same as sport fishing...

Live with it... Pipu got their own view too you know... Jangan nak sakit juboq sangat pipu call your 'sport' cruel whistling.gif
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i dont fish actually.. lol

but i remember last time there's a debate on whether fish feel any pain..
and scientist from both sides came out with their own research article...
one about no pain nerves and even if they do, they forget the pain the following second...that explains why fish who got hooked, will be hooked again if catch-and-release was practised...

and of course the other side present facts like if they didnt feel pain...then why they flinch or move away from possible painful objects?

so hence i ask for sosso hence i try to be sarcastic hoping u can throw me with some sos..coz i have been searching this information for past 8 or maybe 9 yrs after i brought my ex gf to a prawn fishing shop....that's probably my 1st and last..coz the ROI is jst not so healthy.. brows.gif

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and oh..they jst released this 8-Aug-2013...it's prety new...


Do Fish Feel Pain? Not as Humans Do, Study Suggests

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 08:59 AM)
Which just shows ts knows nothing about catch and release.

Peeple do catch and release because they wanna give a chance for the fish to breed.  If every person brings back every fish from big to small, what would be left ? Ever heard of OVERFISHING ? Never thought of that eh?
Pikir perut je
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If anglers so want to give the fish chance to breed... why not DON'T FISH AT ALL after you catch your dinner.

Catch whatever you need to eat... and then go home...

Such an irony... I put bait in hook to tempt the fish to eat the hook so that after it eats the hook I can release it back for a chance for it to breed...


Mulianya manusia...

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 09:53 AM)
If anglers so want to give the fish chance to breed... why not DON'T FISH AT ALL after you catch your dinner.

Catch whatever you need to eat... and then go home...

Such an irony... I put bait in hook to tempt the fish to eat the hook so that after it eats the hook I can release it back for a chance for it to breed...
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go read the link i provided..
u have ur opinions..and others hav theirs..but without any sos to backup...it's jst another opinion..like a buthole..everyone has one...but..but..does others wanna see urs? so if dont plan to see others...best not to show others yours 1st.. tongue.gif
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Anglers care passionately about the protection of fish stocks and do more than any other group to protect and improve freshwater and salwater environments
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And here..the whole nine yard for anyone keen to read but lazy to click on the link i provided above..

included sos kicap :
Do Fish Feel Pain? Not as Humans Do, Study Suggests

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Do Fish Feel Pain? Not as Humans Do, Study Suggests

Aug. 8, 2013 — Fish do not feel pain the way humans do. That is the conclusion drawn by an international team of researchers consisting of neurobiologists, behavioural ecologists and fishery scientists. One contributor to the landmark study was Prof. Dr. Robert Arlinghaus of the Leibniz Institute of Freshwater Ecology and Inland Fisheries and of the Humboldt University in Berlin.

On July 13th a revised animal protection act has come into effect in Germany. But anyone who expects it to contain concrete statements regarding the handling of fish will be disappointed. Legislators seemingly had already found their answer to the fish issue. Accordingly, fish are sentient vertebrates who must be protected against cruel acts performed by humans against animals. Anyone in Germany who, without due cause, kills vertebrates or inflicts severe pain or suffering on them has to face penal consequences as well as severe fines or even prison sentences. Now, the question of whether or not fish are really able to feel pain or suffer in human terms is once again on the agenda.
A final decision would have far-reaching consequences for millions of anglers, fishers, aquarists, fish farmers and fish scientists. To this end, a research team consisting of seven people has examined all significant studies on the subject of fish pain. During their research the scientists from Europe, Canada, Australia and the USA have discovered many deficiencies. These are the authors’ main points of criticism: Fish do not have the neuro-physiological capacity for a conscious awareness of pain. In addition, behavioural reactions by fish to seemingly painful impulses were evaluated according to human criteria and were thus misinterpreted. There is still no final proof that fish can feel pain.

This is how it works for humans

To be able to understand the researchers’ criticism you first have to comprehend how pain perception works for humans. Injuries stimulate what is known as nociceptors. These receptors send electrical signals through nerve-lines and the spinal cord to the cerebral cortex (neocortex). With full awareness, this is where they are processed into a sensation of pain. However, even severe injuries do not necessarily have to result in an experience of pain. As an emotional state, pain can for example be intensified through engendering fear and it can also be mentally constructed without any tissue damage. Conversely, any stimulation of the nociceptors can be unconsciously processed without the organism having an experience of pain. This principle is used in cases such as anaesthesia. It is for this reason that pain research distinguishes between a conscious awareness of pain and an unconscious processing of impulses through nociception, the latter of which can also lead to complex hormonal reactions, behavioural responses as well as to learning avoidance reactions. Therefore, nociceptive reactions can never be equated with pain, and are thus, strictly speaking, no prerequisite for pain.

Fish are not comparable to humans in terms of anatomy and physiology

Unlike humans fish do not possess a neocortex, which is the first indicator of doubt regarding the pain awareness of fish. Furthermore, certain nerve fibres in mammals (known as c-nociceptors) have been shown to be involved in the sensation of intense experiences of pain. All primitive cartilaginous fish subject to the study, such as sharks and rays, show a complete lack of these fibres and all bony fish – which includes all common types of fish such as carp and trout – very rarely have them. In this respect, the physiological prerequisites for a conscious experience of pain are hardly developed in fish. However, bony fish certainly possess simple nociceptors and they do of course show reactions to injuries and other interventions. But it is not known whether this is perceived as pain.

There is often a lack of distinction between conscious pain and unconscious nociception

The current overview-study raises the complaint that a great majority of all published studies evaluate a fish’s reaction to a seemingly painful impulse - such as rubbing the injured body part against an object or the discontinuation of the feed intake - as an indication of pain. However, this methodology does not prove verifiably whether the reaction was due to a conscious sensation of pain or an unconscious impulse perception by means of nociception, or a combination of the two. Basically, it is very difficult to deduct underlying emotional states based on behavioural responses. Moreover, fish often show only minor or no reactions at all to interventions which would be extremely painful to us and to other mammals. Pain killers such as morphine that are effective for humans were either ineffective in fish or were only effective in astronomically high doses that, for small mammals, would have meant immediate death from shock. These findings suggest that fish either have absolutely no awareness of pain in human terms or they react completely different to pain. By and large, it is absolutely not advisable to interpret the behaviour of fish from a human perspective.

What does all this mean for those who use fish?

In legal terms it is forbidden to inflict pain, suffering or harm on animals without due cause according to §1 of the German Animal Protection Act. However, the criteria for when such acts are punishable are exclusively tied to the animal’s ability to feel pain and suffering in accordance with § 17 of the very same Act. The new study severely doubts that fish are aware of pain as defined by human terms. Therefore, it should actually no longer constitute a criminal offence if, for example, an angler releases a harvestable fish at his own discretion instead of eating it. However, at a legal and moral level, the recently published doubts regarding the awareness of pain in fish do not release anybody from their responsibility of having to justify all uses of fishes in a socially acceptable way and to minimise any form of stress and damage to the fish when interacting with it.
 
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Anglers united - "We care for the fish so we put hooks in their mouth!"
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it's never too late to learn..and admit ur mistake.. rolleyes.gif
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it's never too late to learn..and admit ur mistake..  rolleyes.gif
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Admit what?

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:00 AM)
Anglers united - "We care for the fish so we put hooks in their mouth!"
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we catch and release to make sure there will always be future generations of fish species.

Give them a chance to breed. Unlike you who only thinks of your own perut.
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Hooked on a Cruel Sport
Finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.
by Jeff Jacoby

I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat, fish, and fowl. I don't oppose experimenting on animals when necessary for medical research. I like zoos. I have no moral objection to wearing fur or leather. I think it's okay to keep pet dogs on a leash and birds in a cage. And while I admire the work of the American Humane Association, I am no supporter of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) or its fanatic agenda.

But I do think sport fishing is cruel.

By sport fishing I mean catch-and-release fishing -- fishing for fun and adventure, not for food. I have no quarrel with the man who takes a salmon or trout out of the water and eats it for dinner, even if he greatly enjoys the taking. What appalls me is fishing for its own sake. I don't doubt that it can be thrilling to drag a fish through the water by a barbed hook in its mouth, or that there is pleasure in making it struggle frantically, or that it is exciting to force a wild creature to exhaust itself in a desperate bid to get free. I don't deny the allure of it all. But finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.

One of PETA's billboards shows a dog with a barbed hook through its lip, and asks: "If you wouldn't do this to a dog, why do it to a fish?" PETA's analogies are frequently tasteless and morally repugnant, but this one is exactly right. No one would throw Fido a Milk-Bone with a hook hidden inside and then, when the barb had pierced his mouth and he was trying violently to shake it loose, drag him to a place where he couldn't breathe. Anyone who did such a thing would be condemned for his brutality. Is it any less brutal to do it to a fish?

Writing a few years ago in Orion, a magazine about nature and culture, essayist and avid outdoorsman Ted Kerasote opened a piece about the ethics of catch-and-release fishing with a quote from a fellow outdoorsman, "the philosopher, mountaineer, and former angler Jack Turner."



"Imagine using worms and flies to catch mountain bluebirds or pine grosbeaks," Turner told him, "or maybe eagles and ospreys, and hauling them around on 50 feet of line while they tried to get away. Then when you landed them, you'd release them. No one would tolerate that sort of thing with birds. But we will for fish because they're underwater and out of sight."

I can hear the indignant reply of countless anglers: Fish are different! Unlike dogs and birds and other advanced animals, fish don't feel pain. The hook doesn't hurt them.

But there is mounting evidence that fish do feel pain. A team of marine biologists at Edinburgh's Roslin Institute make the case in a paper just published by the Royal Society, one of Britain's leading scientific institutes. Their experiments with rainbow trout prove the presence of pain receptors in fish, and show that fish undergoing a "potentially painful experience" react with "profound behavioral and physiological changes . . . over a prolonged period comparable to those observed in higher mammals."

Other studies have demonstrated the agitated responses of fish to painful conditions, from rapid respiration to color changes to the secretion of stress hormones. Does this mean that a fish feels pain in just the way we do, or that its small brain can "understand" the painful event? No. It does mean that the ordeal of being hooked through the mouth, yanked at the end of a fishing line, and prevented from breathing each time its body leaves the water is intensely unpleasant and distressing. To put a fish through that ordeal in order to eat fresh fish is one thing. But to do it for fun?

Anglers tell themselves that catch-and-release fishing is more humane and nature-friendly than catching fish and killing them. That strikes me as a conscience-salving fib. Hurting an animal for enjoyment is never nature-friendly, even if the animal doesn't die. Sport fishing is clearly more cruel than hunting. Hunters don't torment their prey or force it to engage in frenzied combat. They aim to kill the animal, as quickly and painlessly as possible. But how many sport fisherman want a quick kill? Where's the excitement in that?

"We angle because we like the fight," Kerasote writes. "Otherwise all of us would be using hookless [flies] and not one angler in 10,000 does. The hook allows us to control and exert power over fish, over one of the most beautiful and seductive forms of nature, and then, because we're nice to the fish, releasing them 'unharmed,' we can receive both psychic dispensation and blessing. Needless to say, if you think about this relationship carefully, it's not a comforting one, for it is a game of dominance followed by cathartic pardons, which . . . is one of the hallmarks of an abusive relationship." (His essay in Orion, by the way, was titled "Catch and Deny.")

I'm not blind to the beauty of fishing, to the peace many find in it, to the connection it affords to the water and the surrounding landscape. But any sport that depends for its enjoyability on forcing an animal to fight for its life is wrong. Wrong for what it does to the fish. Even more wrong for what it does to the fisherman.

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48944011.html?mobile=yes


I can paste wall of text too... And I'm not inflicting any pain/injury whatsoever to any animal by doing so... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 10:03 AM)
nopes  smile.gif

we catch and release to make sure there will always be future generations of fish species.

Give them a chance to breed. Unlike you who only thinks of your own perut.
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What if you don't fish at all? You don't have to release any animal to feel mulia...

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:06 AM)
What if you don't fish at all? You don't have to release any animal to feel mulia...
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At least its an activity that brings us closer to nature. Not everyone enjoys staring at the computer 24/7
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 10:09 AM)
At least its an activity that brings us closer to nature. Not everyone enjoys staring at the computer 24/7
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Gaaaahahahhahahahhahaha... OHWOW.0jpg

closer to nature...

Haaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahhahahahahha

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agree with ts. Pipu hurt the fish, then release the fish back into water, let it suffer with the injury caused by human
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:10 AM)
Gaaaahahahhahahahhahaha... OHWOW.0jpg

closer to nature...

Haaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahhahahahahha
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yeh susah nak berdialog dengan manusia berfikiran sempit. adios
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:05 AM)
Hooked on a Cruel Sport
Finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.
by Jeff Jacoby

I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat, fish, and fowl. I don't oppose experimenting on animals when necessary for medical research. I like zoos. I have no moral objection to wearing fur or leather. I think it's okay to keep pet dogs on a leash and birds in a cage. And while I admire the work of the American Humane Association, I am no supporter of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) or its fanatic agenda.

But I do think sport fishing is cruel.

By sport fishing I mean catch-and-release fishing -- fishing for fun and adventure, not for food. I have no quarrel with the man who takes a salmon or trout out of the water and eats it for dinner, even if he greatly enjoys the taking. What appalls me is fishing for its own sake. I don't doubt that it can be thrilling to drag a fish through the water by a barbed hook in its mouth, or that there is pleasure in making it struggle frantically, or that it is exciting to force a wild creature to exhaust itself in a desperate bid to get free. I don't deny the allure of it all. But finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.

One of PETA's billboards shows a dog with a barbed hook through its lip, and asks: "If you wouldn't do this to a dog, why do it to a fish?" PETA's analogies are frequently tasteless and morally repugnant, but this one is exactly right. No one would throw Fido a Milk-Bone with a hook hidden inside and then, when the barb had pierced his mouth and he was trying violently to shake it loose, drag him to a place where he couldn't breathe. Anyone who did such a thing would be condemned for his brutality. Is it any less brutal to do it to a fish?

Writing a few years ago in Orion, a magazine about nature and culture, essayist and avid outdoorsman Ted Kerasote opened a piece about the ethics of catch-and-release fishing with a quote from a fellow outdoorsman, "the philosopher, mountaineer, and former angler Jack Turner."
"Imagine using worms and flies to catch mountain bluebirds or pine grosbeaks," Turner told him, "or maybe eagles and ospreys, and hauling them around on 50 feet of line while they tried to get away. Then when you landed them, you'd release them. No one would tolerate that sort of thing with birds. But we will for fish because they're underwater and out of sight."

I can hear the indignant reply of countless anglers: Fish are different! Unlike dogs and birds and other advanced animals, fish don't feel pain. The hook doesn't hurt them.

But there is mounting evidence that fish do feel pain. A team of marine biologists at Edinburgh's Roslin Institute make the case in a paper just published by the Royal Society, one of Britain's leading scientific institutes. Their experiments with rainbow trout prove the presence of pain receptors in fish, and show that fish undergoing a "potentially painful experience" react with "profound behavioral and physiological changes . . . over a prolonged period comparable to those observed in higher mammals."

Other studies have demonstrated the agitated responses of fish to painful conditions, from rapid respiration to color changes to the secretion of stress hormones. Does this mean that a fish feels pain in just the way we do, or that its small brain can "understand" the painful event? No. It does mean that the ordeal of being hooked through the mouth, yanked at the end of a fishing line, and prevented from breathing each time its body leaves the water is intensely unpleasant and distressing. To put a fish through that ordeal in order to eat fresh fish is one thing. But to do it for fun?

Anglers tell themselves that catch-and-release fishing is more humane and nature-friendly than catching fish and killing them. That strikes me as a conscience-salving fib. Hurting an animal for enjoyment is never nature-friendly, even if the animal doesn't die. Sport fishing is clearly more cruel than hunting. Hunters don't torment their prey or force it to engage in frenzied combat. They aim to kill the animal, as quickly and painlessly as possible. But how many sport fisherman want a quick kill? Where's the excitement in that?

"We angle because we like the fight," Kerasote writes. "Otherwise all of us would be using hookless [flies] and not one angler in 10,000 does. The hook allows us to control and exert power over fish, over one of the most beautiful and seductive forms of nature, and then, because we're nice to the fish, releasing them 'unharmed,' we can receive both psychic dispensation and blessing. Needless to say, if you think about this relationship carefully, it's not a comforting one, for it is a game of dominance followed by cathartic pardons, which . . . is one of the hallmarks of an abusive relationship." (His essay in Orion, by the way, was titled "Catch and Deny.")

I'm not blind to the beauty of fishing, to the peace many find in it, to the connection it affords to the water and the surrounding landscape. But any sport that depends for its enjoyability on forcing an animal to fight for its life is wrong. Wrong for what it does to the fish. Even more wrong for what it does to the fisherman.

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48944011.html?mobile=yes
I can paste wall of text too... And I'm not inflicting any pain/injury whatsoever to any animal by doing so... whistling.gif
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lol..dont make me laugh mang..

wat u post are jst a blog of thoughts from an unknown like my cousin brother who put up bits and pcs from multiple source to make it sound professional and legit..but lack of scientific backing..
that's liek a fortune teller telling u about your life past and future after he had observed the way you talk move and react to questions...

check out the bolded part..i think..ya..i bet those scientist didnt perform any test or experiment also..they base on think and assumption. ur teacher back in chemist and biology class also accept your answer when you jst him/her u think a frog's heart will still beat as normal when u chop it down from the middle? or when natrium or kalium mixed with water will produce vapor? ya..everything is base on u think, i think we think.. lol

and to compare dog and fish..well, the link i provided gave u information on why it's not right to compare mammal with fish...read the part about morphine....

if u wanna defend ur opinion..i am ok with it..but present with more facts and research lar..

not wat ur neice or nephew think lar dei... sweat.gif

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agree with ts. Pipu hurt the fish, then release the fish back into water, let it suffer with the injury caused by human
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Well catch and release versus overfishing, take your pick.

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howabout going after people that do this instead? could be more worthwhile your time.
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 20 2013, 10:15 AM)
lol..dont make me laugh mang..

wat u post are jst a blog of thoughts from an unknown like my cousin brother who put up bits and pcs from multiple source to make it sound professional and legit..but lack of scientific backing..
that's liek a fortune teller telling u about your life past and future after he had observed the way you talk move and react to questions...

check out the bolded part..i think..ya..i bet those scientist didnt perform any test or experiment also..they base on think and assumption. ur teacher back in chemist and biology class also accept your answer when you jst him/her u think a frog's heart will still beat as normal when u chop it down from the middle? or when natrium or kalium mixed with water with produce vapor? ya..everything is base on u think, i think we think.. lol

and to compare dog and fish..well, the link i provided gave u information on why it's not right to compare mammal with fish...read the part about morphine....

if u wanna defend ur opinion..i am ok with it..but present with more facts and research lar..

not wat ur neice or nephew think lar dei...  sweat.gif
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The point is... the writer conveyed better what I feel...

I need no scientist to tell me that sport fishing is cruel... I know so...

Unless the animal abusers themselves... need scientists to tell them fish don't feel pain, so therefore let's put hooks in their mouth...

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:05 AM)
Hooked on a Cruel Sport
Finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.
by Jeff Jacoby

I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat, fish, and fowl. I don't oppose experimenting on animals when necessary for medical research. I like zoos. I have no moral objection to wearing fur or leather. I think it's okay to keep pet dogs on a leash and birds in a cage. And while I admire the work of the American Humane Association, I am no supporter of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) or its fanatic agenda.

But I do think sport fishing is cruel.

By sport fishing I mean catch-and-release fishing -- fishing for fun and adventure, not for food. I have no quarrel with the man who takes a salmon or trout out of the water and eats it for dinner, even if he greatly enjoys the taking. What appalls me is fishing for its own sake. I don't doubt that it can be thrilling to drag a fish through the water by a barbed hook in its mouth, or that there is pleasure in making it struggle frantically, or that it is exciting to force a wild creature to exhaust itself in a desperate bid to get free. I don't deny the allure of it all. But finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.

One of PETA's billboards shows a dog with a barbed hook through its lip, and asks: "If you wouldn't do this to a dog, why do it to a fish?" PETA's analogies are frequently tasteless and morally repugnant, but this one is exactly right. No one would throw Fido a Milk-Bone with a hook hidden inside and then, when the barb had pierced his mouth and he was trying violently to shake it loose, drag him to a place where he couldn't breathe. Anyone who did such a thing would be condemned for his brutality. Is it any less brutal to do it to a fish?

Writing a few years ago in Orion, a magazine about nature and culture, essayist and avid outdoorsman Ted Kerasote opened a piece about the ethics of catch-and-release fishing with a quote from a fellow outdoorsman, "the philosopher, mountaineer, and former angler Jack Turner."
"Imagine using worms and flies to catch mountain bluebirds or pine grosbeaks," Turner told him, "or maybe eagles and ospreys, and hauling them around on 50 feet of line while they tried to get away. Then when you landed them, you'd release them. No one would tolerate that sort of thing with birds. But we will for fish because they're underwater and out of sight."

I can hear the indignant reply of countless anglers: Fish are different! Unlike dogs and birds and other advanced animals, fish don't feel pain. The hook doesn't hurt them.

But there is mounting evidence that fish do feel pain. A team of marine biologists at Edinburgh's Roslin Institute make the case in a paper just published by the Royal Society, one of Britain's leading scientific institutes. Their experiments with rainbow trout prove the presence of pain receptors in fish, and show that fish undergoing a "potentially painful experience" react with "profound behavioral and physiological changes . . . over a prolonged period comparable to those observed in higher mammals."

Other studies have demonstrated the agitated responses of fish to painful conditions, from rapid respiration to color changes to the secretion of stress hormones. Does this mean that a fish feels pain in just the way we do, or that its small brain can "understand" the painful event? No. It does mean that the ordeal of being hooked through the mouth, yanked at the end of a fishing line, and prevented from breathing each time its body leaves the water is intensely unpleasant and distressing. To put a fish through that ordeal in order to eat fresh fish is one thing. But to do it for fun?

Anglers tell themselves that catch-and-release fishing is more humane and nature-friendly than catching fish and killing them. That strikes me as a conscience-salving fib. Hurting an animal for enjoyment is never nature-friendly, even if the animal doesn't die. Sport fishing is clearly more cruel than hunting. Hunters don't torment their prey or force it to engage in frenzied combat. They aim to kill the animal, as quickly and painlessly as possible. But how many sport fisherman want a quick kill? Where's the excitement in that?

"We angle because we like the fight," Kerasote writes. "Otherwise all of us would be using hookless [flies] and not one angler in 10,000 does. The hook allows us to control and exert power over fish, over one of the most beautiful and seductive forms of nature, and then, because we're nice to the fish, releasing them 'unharmed,' we can receive both psychic dispensation and blessing. Needless to say, if you think about this relationship carefully, it's not a comforting one, for it is a game of dominance followed by cathartic pardons, which . . . is one of the hallmarks of an abusive relationship." (His essay in Orion, by the way, was titled "Catch and Deny.")

I'm not blind to the beauty of fishing, to the peace many find in it, to the connection it affords to the water and the surrounding landscape. But any sport that depends for its enjoyability on forcing an animal to fight for its life is wrong. Wrong for what it does to the fish. Even more wrong for what it does to the fisherman.

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48944011.html?mobile=yes
I can paste wall of text too... And I'm not inflicting any pain/injury whatsoever to any animal by doing so... whistling.gif
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here..this 2 para and 1 sentence will explain ur above wall of text about pain...
the bolded part below elaborate on wat those amateurs about try to put up as a legit reason..
and if i MAY emphasize..my link was as of Aug-2013... oh waii...



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Unlike humans fish do not possess a neocortex, which is the first indicator of doubt regarding the pain awareness of fish. Furthermore, certain nerve fibres in mammals (known as c-nociceptors) have been shown to be involved in the sensation of intense experiences of pain. All primitive cartilaginous fish subject to the study, such as sharks and rays, show a complete lack of these fibres and all bony fish – which includes all common types of fish such as carp and trout – very rarely have them. In this respect, the physiological prerequisites for a conscious experience of pain are hardly developed in fish. However, bony fish certainly possess simple nociceptors and they do of course show reactions to injuries and other interventions. But it is not known whether this is perceived as pain.

There is often a lack of distinction between conscious pain and unconscious nociception

The current overview-study raises the complaint that a great majority of all published studies evaluate a fish’s reaction to a seemingly painful impulse - such as rubbing the injured body part against an object or the discontinuation of the feed intake - as an indication of pain. However, this methodology does not prove verifiably whether the reaction was due to a conscious sensation of pain or an unconscious impulse perception by means of nociception, or a combination of the two. Basically, it is very difficult to deduct underlying emotional states based on behavioural responses. Moreover, fish often show only minor or no reactions at all to interventions which would be extremely painful to us and to other mammals. Pain killers such as morphine that are effective for humans were either ineffective in fish or were only effective in astronomically high doses that, for small mammals, would have meant immediate death from shock. These findings suggest that fish either have absolutely no awareness of pain in human terms or they react completely different to pain. By and large, it is absolutely not advisable to interpret the behaviour of fish from a human perspective.

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:18 AM)
The point is... the writer conveyed better what I feel...

I need no scientist to tell me that sport fishing is cruel... I know so...

Unless the animal abusers themselves... need scientists to tell them fish don't feel pain, so therefore let's put hooks in their mouth...
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Overfishing is more damaging to fish stocks than sport-fishing.
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:18 AM)
The point is... the writer conveyed better what I feel...

I need no scientist to tell me that sport fishing is cruel... I know so...

Unless the animal abusers themselves... need scientists to tell them fish don't feel pain, so therefore let's put hooks in their mouth...
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what u feel is pretty subjective

so if i feel u r an idi!ot then u r an id!ot lah ?

that is why there are journals and articles to backup claims
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:18 AM)
The point is... the writer conveyed better what I feel...

I need no scientist to tell me that sport fishing is cruel... I know so...

Unless the animal abusers themselves... need scientists to tell them fish don't feel pain, so therefore let's put hooks in their mouth...
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oh so now we're no longer seeking out the truth about pain..but base on ur opinion, my thinking and eveyone else's assumption?

guess finally u realized there's no scientific research to back up wat u say huh? and instead of jst admitting to it..u skip that and elaborate and emphasize that it is all about the way you fooking feel.. lol..

i FEEL u should STILL........go back to mars.
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QUOTE(kumanosuke @ Sep 20 2013, 10:21 AM)
what u feel is pretty subjective

so if i feel u r an idi!ot then u r an id!ot lah ?

that is why there are journals and articles to backup claims
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ahh..my point exactly! thank kiu for the emphasize sir!
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 10:20 AM)
Overfishing is more damaging to fish stocks than sport-fishing.
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Who says anything about overfishing?

It's not like "I hate sport fishing, I must overfish now"

Why twist?



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QUOTE(kumanosuke @ Sep 20 2013, 10:21 AM)
what u feel is pretty subjective

so if i feel u r an idi!ot then u r an id!ot lah ?

that is why there are journals and articles to backup claims
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Feel watever yu wanna feel...

I still think sport fishing = animal abuse
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Feel watever yu wanna feel...

I still think sport fishing = animal abuse
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yupp..that's how i FEEL...

lol..i gonna tag ur nick as the FEEL GUY in /k...
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:23 AM)
Who says anything about overfishing?

It's not like "I hate sport fishing, I must overfish now"

Why twist?
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not twisting duddo, but am afraid you're barking at the wrong tree. If you truly care about animals, it would be more worthwhile to also consider the future survival of their species which is more important.

And sport fishos and anglers around the world are pretty on the ball when it comes to conservation of freshwater and saltwater fish stocks- for the future of the sport and the environment.
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 20 2013, 10:27 AM)
i FEEL u should close  this tered...change ur password to something u cant remember at all..and go back mars..

yupp..that's how i FEEL...

lol..i gonna tag ur nick as the FEEL GUY in /k...
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Sakit juboq ye bang? laugh.gif

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Sakit juboq ye bang? laugh.gif
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oh.u can feel it too? i guess it takes 2 to feel the sakit-ness.. lol tongue.gif

and jst so u know...u should check out tereds that i have posted..one about a list... then u know it's not about sakit duboqness or not d... whistling.gif

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So, what bait should I put on the hook to fish for cats?

...so I can release it back afterwards... you know... giving it the chance to breed...
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So, what bait should I put on the hook to fish for cats?

...so I can release it back afterwards... you know... giving it the chance to breed...
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you're starting to sound like PETA.

oh dont tell me you're against animal testing too?
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Or shgould I call my sport 'sport catting'?
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So, what bait should I put on the hook to fish for cats?

...so I can release it back afterwards... you know... giving it the chance to breed...
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u must have obtained negative during IQ test..

anyway..if i may suggest on fishing for sports on LAND...it's best to try monitor lizard..
they are quite powerful and will pose a bigger excitement..
cat cant really do much..they would jst run most of the time..
monitor lizard around 3mtr or more, including tail...fights back....
nearly got clawed a couple times..but it's alot more fun than cat...trust me..

dog not suggested...coz they are pretty agile..it's like fighting with a tiger..minus the death possibility unless ur neck's unprotected...
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i think it is cruel to kill fish by letting it suffocate just like that, western culture stun their animal 1st before killing it, more humane way to kill
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 20 2013, 10:35 AM)
u must have obtained negative during IQ test..

anyway..if i may suggest on fishing for sports on LAND...it's best to try monitor lizard..
they are quite powerful and will pose a bigger excitement..
cat cant really do much..they would jst run most of the time..
monitor lizard around 3mtr or more, including tail...fights back....
nearly got clawed a couple times..but it's alot more fun than cat...trust me..

dog not suggested...coz they are pretty agile..it's like fighting with a tiger..minus the death possibility unless ur neck's unprotected...
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let him do whatever he wants lah.

But why stop at monitor lizard? ts should pancing buaya, barulah extreme...
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Or shgould I call my sport 'sport catting'?
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call it watever u want..but my advice about monitor lizard is serious shit...
i accompany my frends a couple times..and i could only open my mouth in amazement all the time...

and yes, like i say before..i am not really into fishing..jst sharing out my thoughts about those against or with on fishing...and i prefer to have scientific backing if possible..i dont mind being wrong..coz that means i learnt something new..i dont let principle or ego to take control of me... heck, i admitted wrong in /k countless times when they provided link to prove me wrong....
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Sep 20 2013, 10:36 AM)
i think it is cruel to kill fish by letting it suffocate just like that, western culture stun their animal 1st before killing it, more humane way to kill
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Fish don't feel pain... forget about them...

It's us human's need to feel powerful(or mulia) that's important...

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i think it is cruel to kill fish by letting it suffocate just like that, western culture stun their animal 1st before killing it, more humane way to kill
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who uses stun guns to fish ? blink.gif
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let him do whatever he wants lah.

But why stop at monitor lizard? ts should pancing buaya, barulah extreme...
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haha..bro..i am serious about monitor lizard eh...
they are heavy and ganas...
my frens, some of them, have a liking to monitor lizard's meat..i tested..but felt like chicken breast...rough and not juicy..dunno why they like..but it's fun to see them catch..whenever they going for hunt..i ask them to call me up in case i can join...

on buaya..oh waii..that shit's like the real mcCoy d...sekali gigit..dua kali mati bro...
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who uses stun guns to fish ?  blink.gif
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tis reminds me of the japanese method Ike Jime...
man..those chefs/anglers are like darn pro when it comes to this..
i tried with my mum's kembong tho...i mean dead kembung la..cant even penetrate pass it's head.. lol
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:38 AM)
Fish don't feel pain... forget about them...

It's us human's need to feel powerful(or mulia) that's important...
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they dont feel pain? serious? how u so sure?

QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 10:40 AM)
who uses stun guns to fish ?  blink.gif
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dunno some western anti halal group
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Shit posting is a cruel sport.

By starting a shit thread, you encourage shit posters to join in and almost always wastes a reader's time.

Imagine baiting readers with a somewhat intriguing title, and then BAM force feeding them with crap posting. This catch and release method is cruel to forumers and should be discouraged.

OP you are a cruel ******* who does catch and release as a past time.


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they dont feel pain? serious? how u so sure?
dunno some western anti halal group
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I assume you're saying that in jest, stun gun fishing is more damaging to the fish, you kill all sizes, fingerlings to adults, semua mampus. How can that be more humane?
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Sep 20 2013, 10:46 AM)
Shit posting is a cruel sport.

By starting a shit thread, you encourage shit posters to join in and almost always wastes a reader's time.

Imagine baiting readers with a somewhat intriguing title, and then BAM force feeding them with crap posting. This catch and release method is cruel to forumers and should be discouraged.

OP you are a cruel ******* who does catch and release as a past time.
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but it's fun to reply also wat...
wat's the next best thing to do on a friday morning during working hour but to waste time around..? brows.gif
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 10:46 AM)
I assume you're saying that in jest, stun gun fishing is more damaging to the fish, you kill all sizes,  fingerlings to adults, semua mampus. How can that be more humane?
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capture 1st then stun la, u stun the water for what doh.gif
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but it's fun to reply also wat...
wat's the next best thing to do on a friday morning during working hour but to waste time around..? brows.gif
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lol exactly what i was thinking. I sense trolls in this thread, but maybe im just bored. Noone in office and its only 10:00 am. rclxub.gif
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I assume you're saying that in jest, stun gun fishing is more damaging to the fish, you kill all sizes,  fingerlings to adults, semua mampus. How can that be more humane?
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sometimes..the gun bites back.. brows.gif

Man uses electric stun gun to catch fish – electrocutes himself
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capture 1st then stun la, u stun the water for what doh.gif
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and get yourself fried in the process.. genius.

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i fish abalone, and satisfy them with pokey stick, i'm not cruel

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Sep 20 2013, 10:46 AM)
Shit posting is a cruel sport.

By starting a shit thread, you encourage shit posters to join in and almost always wastes a reader's time.

Imagine baiting readers with a somewhat intriguing title, and then BAM force feeding them with crap posting. This catch and release method is cruel to forumers and should be discouraged.

OP you are a cruel ******* who does catch and release as a past time.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 10:50 AM)
and get yourself fried in the process.. genius.
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im lost already, what u toking rclxub.gif
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Hunting also considered sports even though they don't hunt for makan.

It's a favourite sports for the rich & famous, also for royalties because it represents doing something manly.
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i fish abalone, and satisfy them with pokey stick, i'm not cruel
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do you really need to dive that deep to find the best ones? brows.gif
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lol exactly what i was thinking. I sense trolls in this thread, but maybe im just bored. Noone in office and its only 10:00 am.  rclxub.gif
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bro..it's actually 11am liao....soon.

another 30mins then can go lunch lepak d.. buaa hahahaaa..!!!
friday is the best day public holiday or weekend..!

i saw this in FB :
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5th floor to 1st : 4 floors needed to pass

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monday to friday : 5 days needed
friday to monday : 4 days needed..really dafok!
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 10:51 AM)
do you really need to dive that deep to find the best ones?  brows.gif
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yes i wan little mermaid type
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yes i wan little mermaid type
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err.. no thanks.. I wouldn't do mermaids unless you want them to carry her eggs around like a seahorse.

That episode on futurama was traumatising enough.

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yes i wan little mermaid type
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Hunting also considered sports even though they don't hunt for makan.

It's a favourite sports for the rich & famous, also for royalties because it represents doing something manly.
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pretty sure noone catch and release reindeer or babi hutan.

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Those that say Fish cannot feel pain so Shark oso don't feel pain lo?
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Those that say Fish cannot feel pain so Shark oso don't feel pain lo?
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i dont claim to say anything since i am not good with neuro-abcdefg subject..but check out the link i shared..
u can come up with a paper to support or disagree with their claim tho..i am sure USM will be enlightened... brows.gif
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:51 AM)
g]http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/30/52/10/69/0030521069100_500X500.jpg[/img]
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See? Just proved my point:

1) takda creativity
2) menggunakan meme kolot/lama untuk response
3) takda bola untuk bagi response yang legit
4) ingat dia pandai sangat dengan single image macro response.
5) you're not fooling anyone by masking the idiocy with this kind of response. We all know it.


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QUOTE(advocado @ Sep 20 2013, 10:57 AM)
Those that say Fish cannot feel pain so Shark oso don't feel pain lo?
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yup no pain, they lack brain function to process pain, if in pain sure we can hear them screaming in pain.

shark fin can regrow over time

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Sep 20 2013, 11:01 AM)
See? Just proved my point:

1) takda creativity
2) menggunakan meme kolot/lama untuk response
3) takda bola untuk bagi response yang legit
4) ingat dia pandai sangat dengan single image macro response.
5) you're not fooling anyone by masking the idiocy with this kind of response. We all know it.
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QUOTE(advocado @ Sep 20 2013, 10:57 AM)
Those that say Fish cannot feel pain so Shark oso don't feel pain lo?
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If you ever go fishing, even after the first, second, third or even the 133th time, you will notice fish will still have a go at the bait again and again and again and again.

And you thought they would behave the same way as other animals? Once bitten, twice shy does not apply to fish.

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 11:03 AM)
If you say so... so be it...

One thing I'm not - animal abuser
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but you abuse human by shit posting, doesn't that actually make you far worse?
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Sep 20 2013, 11:01 AM)


shark fin can regrow over time

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It's revolutionary!!!

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It's revolutionary!!!
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What do you think about fish bombing? and long line fishing ? what about those bigass trawlers? see ? fishing for food is cruel and is responsible for depleting fish stocks around the world, yet to go batshit about sportfishing.

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yup no pain, they lack brain function to process pain, if in pain sure we can hear them screaming in pain.

shark fin can regrow over time

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noone cuts shark fins for sport dude..apa kau merepek ni

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but you abuse human by shit posting, doesn't that actually make you far worse?
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now that u mention this..i think TS is a lot worse than fishing for sports, or kok-fight, bull-fight or muay thai fight...

i suggest TS insaplar and bertaubat in mars..pls..i really FEEL ts should still go back mars..
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but you abuse human by shit posting, doesn't that actually make you far worse?
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Say wat u want... I said mine... u animal abusers dont like my views...

So be it...







Come to think of it, it's the same as "U TAK SUKA U KELUAR!" innit?


This is a public forum, I say what i like, I stand by wat i said...

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 11:08 AM)
noone cuts shark fins for sport dude..apa kau merepek ni
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they eat fin to improve sport in bed brows.gif
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 11:11 AM)
Say wat u want... I said mine... u animal abusers dont like my views...

So be it...
Come to think of it, it's the same as "U TAK SUKA U KELUAR!" innit?
This is a public forum, I say what i like, I stand by wat i said...

u tak suka u punya pasal...(I tak suruh u berambus balik mars OK) laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 11:13 AM)
Opinions, especially uneducated opinions are like arses, everyone has one.
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Say it anyway u like... anyway that comfort you...

Be my guest... stay in this thread... no neeed to berambus balik mana²...

This forum bukan bapak I punya... cool.gif
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 11:06 AM)
What do you think about fish bombing? and long line fishing ? what about those bigass trawlers? see ? fishing for food is cruel and is responsible for depleting fish stocks around the world, yet to go batshit about sportfishing.
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that's usually the problem with ppl like TS..
they cant differentiate which one is more important to focus their attention on..
it's like they wake up in the morning, throw a random dart on a dictionary...and for today, i guess his dart hit's the word Fishing...then he came all blazing without brain and backing articles/research and think /k is really as naive innocent and dumbfark as a real kopitiam in jalan ABC in some abandoned kampong and thought he can start preaching like a mighty king martin luther that he had a dream and one day will have gold spitting out from his mouth....

deep sea trawling is triple more damaging and far worst than any sports fishing...but of course trawling is not a sport..is a way to earn money without giving a fooking care to fish sustainability and all other marine life..

TS..if u wanna start a topic next time, best to understasnd it deeper..do some research..else like now, i bet u gonna go google what's deep sea trawling or aka..bottom trawling.. come to think about it.i dont mind if u google for something u dunno coz it's perfectly fine..and u get to learn something.. oh well..
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 20 2013, 11:16 AM)
that's usually the problem with ppl like TS..
they cant differentiate which one is more important to focus their attention on..
it's like they wake up in the morning, throw a random dart on a dictionary...and for today, i guess his dart hit's the word Fishing...then he came all blazing without brain and backing articles/research and think /k is really as naive innocent and dumbfark as a real kopitiam in jalan ABC in some abandoned kampong and thought he can start preaching like a mighty king martin luther that he had a dream and one day will have gold spitting out from his mouth....

deep sea trawling is triple more damaging and far worst than any sports fishing...but of course trawling is not a sport..is a way to earn money without giving a fooking care to fish sustainability and all other marine life..

TS..if u wanna start a topic next time, best to understasnd it deeper..do some research..else like now, i bet u gonna go google what's deep sea trawling or aka..bottom trawling.. come to think about it.i dont mind if u google for something u dunno coz it's perfectly fine..and u get to learn something.. oh well..
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maybe its somthing more personal? suami kuat pergi fishing, tinggal anak dan bini(ts). lol
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manusia sama manusia bergaduh ikan tepuk tangan
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 11:22 AM)
maybe its somthing more personal? suami kuat pergi fishing, tinggal anak dan bini(ts). lol
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wah..nice thinking outside the box bro...
if i am the isteri..and my husband go fishing on most weekend where i wanna spend time with him..i also pissed eh..really pissed...
now that u put it this way..i think i should stop mocking TS d.kecian her...already lonely d tomorrow onwards..best not to add salt to injury....

TS..u hav mein simpati...







QUOTE(falzehope @ Sep 20 2013, 11:23 AM)
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QUOTE(leong321 @ Sep 18 2013, 09:52 PM)
I always think fishing is cruel, no matter you release it afterward or not,
imagine some allien from sky use a hook to drag you up though your mouth when u eating
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if they want to eat, then its fine
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Thread kelakar. Sports-fishing haram. Rokok haram. Makan daging haram. Makan sayor haram. Amenda la. Tadak benda lain nak godek ka?


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haiyaa,
we do conserve the fish eco...
release da small one,
great fight with da big one..
we release it back...

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Ok so what can I do to help? Btw I don't fish and I dOnt eat meat
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QUOTE(kumanosuke @ Sep 20 2013, 10:21 AM)
what u feel is pretty subjective

so if i feel u r an idi!ot then u r an id!ot lah ?

that is why there are journals and articles to backup claims
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Ni feeling post tu Mech Warrior 6

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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Sep 20 2013, 11:34 AM)
if they want to eat, then its fine
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+999 To kill an animal to eat, it's fine.

But some people who kill animal for sports will justify their actions and make silly comparison "eh...how about those who kill chicken la, kill cow la.... doh.gif doh.gif

They can't differentiate between killing for food and killing for sport.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Sep 30 2013, 01:06 PM)
+999 To kill an animal to eat, it's fine.

But some people who kill animal for sports will justify their actions and make silly comparison "eh...how about those who kill chicken la, kill cow la....  doh.gif doh.gif 

They can't differentiate between killing for food and killing for sport.
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+1

They would say the fish wouldn't feel pain...

They would say they don't kill, they'll release the fish back after they landed the fish...

I say, thay torture the fish for their own excitement, they marah me...

Anglers memang kaum butthurt, and animal abusers!
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QUOTE(titanz @ Sep 30 2013, 01:07 PM)
play this lar at least!

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i love this machine but no have new version right?
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Sep 30 2013, 01:06 PM)
+999 To kill an animal to eat, it's fine.

But some people who kill animal for sports will justify their actions and make silly comparison "eh...how about those who kill chicken la, kill cow la....  doh.gif doh.gif 

They can't differentiate between killing for food and killing for sport.
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+1

They would say the fish wouldn't feel pain...

They would say they don't kill, they'll release the fish back after they landed the fish...

I say, thay torture the fish for their own excitement, they marah me...

Anglers memang kaum butthurt, and animal abusers!
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Say whatever you want but anglers contribute more to fish conservation than all keyboard warriors combined.
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 12:58 PM)
Ni feeling post tu Mech Warrior 6

Now go dai
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eh.summon me for wat..?
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eh.summon me for wat..?
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There... see who started about 'feel'

I just said sport fishing is cruel... I don't feel it's cruel... I said it's cruel...

I'm sure it's cruel... whether the fish can feel pain or not... it is still cruel. period.

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:02 PM)
There... see who started about 'feel'

I just said sport fishing is cruel... I don't feel it's cruel... I said it's cruel...

I'm sure it's cruel... whether the fish can feel pain or not... it is still cruel. period.
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read back ur reply on post # 82 on what ur supporting...
nuf said..

and i am surprised u even edited ur 1st post today at 1:02pm...any statement u changed to reflect what you;re upholding now? lol...

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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 03:33 PM)
read back ur reply on post # 82 on what ur supporting...
nuf said..

and i am surprised u even edited ur 1st post today at 1:02pm...any statement u changed to reflect what you;re upholding now? lol...
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Then what?

suddenly sport fishing is not cruel?

They don't feel pain, so let's put hooks in them!





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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 03:33 PM)
read back ur reply on post # 82 on what ur supporting...
nuf said..

and i am surprised u even edited ur 1st post today at 1:02pm...any statement u changed to reflect what you;re upholding now? lol...
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Ts jelly anglers get all the fresh fish..


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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:36 PM)
Then what?

suddenly sport fishing is not cruel?

They don't feel pain, so let's put hooks in them!
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 03:36 PM)
Ts jelly anglers get all the fresh fish..
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What next?

first TS got angler husband... always left at home.. blablabla...

then TS jelly got no fresh fish...

well, huh... laugh.gif




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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:39 PM)
What next?

first TS got angler husband... always left at home.. blablabla...

then TS jelly got no fresh fish...

well, huh... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:36 PM)
Then what?

suddenly sport fishing is not cruel?

They don't feel pain, so let's put hooks in them!
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but but but...but..that's how u feel..
then what about how i feel? u gonna follow also? if not..then why should i follow how u feel right..? right..? Right..? RIGHT???

jst saying... smile.gif








QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 03:36 PM)
Ts jelly anglers get all the fresh fish..
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fish is important yo! everyday when free and got pretty fish..i also try to pancing....
manatau if got fubu.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:39 PM)
What next?

first TS got angler husband... always left at home.. blablabla...

then TS jelly got no fresh fish...

well, huh... laugh.gif
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is TS buddhist...previous life must be fish..always kena hook and let go without piaping...
tempt then release...
no wonder rage... smile.gif
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 03:50 PM)
is TS buddhist...previous life must be fish..always kena hook and let go without piaping...
tempt then release...
no wonder rage... smile.gif
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no matter how many times kena hook, he still go for it, again and again and again.


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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 03:49 PM)
but but but...but..that's how u feel..
then what about how i feel? u gonna follow also? if not..then why should i follow how u feel right..? right..? Right..? RIGHT???

jst saying... smile.gif
fish is important yo! everyday when free and got pretty fish..i also try to pancing....
manatau if got fubu.. brows.gif
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Sapa suruh u follow?

I state my thought...

You animal abusers came barging in ask me to admit my mistake because according to animal abusers inc., fish dont feel pain... so it's OK to put hooks in them as longh as said animal abuser release it back afterwards...

I didn't ask you to follow anything... U the animal abuser asked me to admit my mistake?

what the ƒuck was my mistake? I said it's cruel... is it not?

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now TS was a fish in previous life...laugh.gif

Nice play!
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:53 PM)
Sapa suruh u follow?

I state my thought...

You animal abusers came barging in ask me to admit my mistake because according to animal abusers inc., fish dont feel pain... so it's OK to put hooks in them as longh as said animal abuser release it back afterwards...

I didn't ask you to follow anything... U the animal abuser asked me to admit my mistake?

what the ƒuck was my mistake? I said it's cruel... is it not?
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:53 PM)
Sapa suruh u follow?

I state my thought...

You animal abusers came barging in ask me to admit my mistake because according to animal abusers inc., fish dont feel pain... so it's OK to put hooks in them as longh as said animal abuser release it back afterwards...

I didn't ask you to follow anything... U the animal abuser asked me to admit my mistake?

what the ƒuck was my mistake? I said it's cruel... is it not?
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u open a tered in /k to voice ur opinions...so when u do so, meaning u want others opinions as well..
so ask, and u shall get it...paham?
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:56 PM)
now TS was a fish in previous life...laugh.gif

Nice play!
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Well most animals after feeling pain, they would just GTFO.

But fish repeatedly attack the bait over and over again without fail.

conclusion: fish no feel pain

ok Ts can kolos thread now

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Sep 30 2013, 03:56 PM)
calls people animal abuser, happily eats sashimi

"its food so its ok"
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Please understand the term 'sport fishing'

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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 03:58 PM)
reason is simple..
u open a tered in /k to voice ur opinions...so when u do so, meaning u want others opinions as well..
so ask, and u shall get it...paham?

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Right back at u...

I never asked anyone be it normal human or animal abuser to follow me...

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:58 PM)
Please understand the term 'sport fishing'

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but i think u edited ur 1st post to make it sound like sports fishing ur focusing on..
original post should be about fish feel pain..

dont believe me..check when's the last edited done by you on ur 1st tered..
it's today... brows.gif 2-day.. Too-day.... Thor-Day...
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 04:00 PM)
but i think u edited ur 1st post to make it sound like sports fishing ur focusing on..
original post should be about fish feel pain..

dont believe me..check when's the last edited done by you on ur 1st tered..
it's today... brows.gif 2-day.. Too-day.... Thor-Day...
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It's edited to change the title la...

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 04:00 PM)
Right back at u...

I never asked anyone be it normal human or animal abuser to follow me...
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it's open forum u know..
so when u kuda..we let u kuda with long replies..

we jst thought sharing is caring ma..
so u share ur view..and we share ours lor...
takleh tahan?
go open a blog like xia xue or leng yein lar..blog ur sorrows there...but remember remember to DISABLE comment ok.. wink.gif
else later buthurt lagi..
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 03:58 PM)
Please understand the term 'sport fishing'

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your logic

if its for food you can gut the animal in anyway you fancy, overfish, overhunt and eliminate their habitat. in the case of dogs , if its for food and you only want their hind legs you can cut it off with a bandsaw while its alive, and whining. the sounds and muscle spasm might make the meat more tender and easy to eat.

put hook in fish.....................................no, its animal cruelty, coz erm its sport
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 04:01 PM)
It's edited to change the title la...
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i thought it's typo only../
TS not that bad to change the whole point he's focusing on previously jst to align with his latest statement lar right..?

inb4 auto correct mis-quoted TS... nod.gif
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Sep 30 2013, 04:02 PM)
your logic

if its for food you can gut the animal in anyway you fancy, overfish, overhunt and eliminate their habitat. in the case of dogs , if its for food and you only want their hind legs you can cut it off with a bandsaw while its alive, and whining. the sounds and muscle spasm might make the meat more tender and easy to eat.

put hook in fish.....................................no, its animal cruelty, coz erm its sport
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Point to me where did I say overfish/overhunt/over anything is fine...

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Point to me where did I say overfish/overhunt/over anything is fine...
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Do you know fish can even bend hooks ? thats how strong they are.
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Sep 30 2013, 04:02 PM)
your logic

if its for food you can gut the animal in anyway you fancy, overfish, overhunt and eliminate their habitat. in the case of dogs , if its for food and you only want their hind legs you can cut it off with a bandsaw while its alive, and whining. the sounds and muscle spasm might make the meat more tender and easy to eat.

put hook in fish.....................................no, its animal cruelty, coz erm its sport
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oops...TS view kena sembelih left and right....

meaning for food...i can sashimi my fish..then let it back into the sea alive lar..? like that japanese chef did to the sashimi...after that put back the fish without flesh into akuarium..some more still can swim..

too bad opis blocked utube..else sure go google for TS..
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 04:03 PM)
i thought it's typo only../
TS not that bad to change the whole point he's focusing on previously jst to align with his latest statement lar right..?

inb4 auto correct mis-quoted TS... nod.gif
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what tok you...?

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post Sep 30 2013, 04:06 PM

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ts pls keep me entertained. Another hour to finish off my shitty monday.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 04:05 PM)
Do you know fish can even bend hooks ? thats how strong they are.
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once my friend's hook broke while fighting a strong fish....and it's a big hook like 10/0 or 8/0 size....

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Fish are strong, can abuse...whistling.gif
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 04:04 PM)
Point to me where did I say overfish/overhunt/over anything is fine...
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but you eat no? or you are just oblivious that the stuff you eat is from areas that are overfished, overhunt and over anything...................


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what tok you...?
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i am trying to agree wit u that u edited the 1st post is not because u wanna change ur statement to reflect ur current stand lor... whistling.gif:
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Any fishing outings? Prefer klang valley but no pay pond.
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 04:11 PM)
i am trying to agree wit u that u edited the 1st post is not because u wanna change ur statement to reflect ur current stand lor... whistling.gif:
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I never touched the post content... only the title...

To make animal abusers more butthurt...

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Any fishing outings? Prefer klang valley but no pay pond.
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im still going to look for snakeheads this weekend. Rainy season nowadays, not a good time to go to sea.
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 30 2013, 04:13 PM)
I never touched the post content... only the title...

To make animal abusers more butthurt...
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ya ya..we believe u..
we buthurt coz we kenot abuse animal..
eh wait..that doesnt sound right..
we buthurt so u can feel happy...
ahh..that one sounds better...

i guess it take 1 buthurt fella to recognize another buthurt huh? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 04:07 PM)
once my friend's hook broke while fighting a strong fish....and it's a big hook like 10/0 or 8/0 size....
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Do you fish with bait or lures?

I managed to land my first on lures last week, achievement unlocked! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 04:14 PM)
im still going to look for snakeheads this weekend. Rainy season nowadays, not a good time to go to sea.
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as in toman?
those consumeable bro? i always thought they are 1 fierce looking fish to keep..and throw in ur house cicak when u caught 1....
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 04:16 PM)
Do you fish with bait or lures? 

I managed to land my first on lures last week, achievement unlocked! rclxms.gif
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so far only tested with bait...
still a beginner..and long time no fish....
total fishing time..less than 10 i think..hahaa.....
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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 30 2013, 04:16 PM)
as in toman?
those consumeable bro? i always thought they are 1 fierce looking fish to keep..and throw in ur house cicak when u caught 1....
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not tomans but jalaks. You can eat snakheads although never tried but consider where you fish. I dont take home what comes out of drains and dirty water unless Ts wants them. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 04:19 PM)
not tomans but jalaks. You can eat snakheads although never tried but consider where you fish. I dont take home what comes out of drains and dirty water unless Ts wants them.  laugh.gif
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snake head is that one cantonese call shang yu?

the one like eel liddat wan ar?
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snake head is that one cantonese call shang yu?

the one like eel liddat wan ar?
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user posted image
This one. Very popular among the Chinese also, helps wounds heal fast.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 04:27 PM)
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This one. Very popular among the Chinese also, helps wounds heal fast.
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hmm look not much same leh

thanks anyway
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 05:27 PM)
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This one. Very popular among the Chinese also, helps wounds heal fast.
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nice ryoga!! drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 04:19 PM)
not tomans but jalaks. You can eat snakheads although never tried but consider where you fish. I dont take home what comes out of drains and dirty water unless Ts wants them.  laugh.gif
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shoot! i never consider whrre the fish comes from...but then so far havent fish in malaysia before..all outside.. hahaa...

but ya..ur right..we should consider where the fish is from..later kena lynas poison...oh waii...
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 30 2013, 04:14 PM)
im still going to look for snakeheads this weekend. Rainy season nowadays, not a good time to go to sea.
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Mind sharing the location? smile.gif

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user posted image
This one. Very popular among the Chinese also, helps wounds heal fast.
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+1
tis one very famous with the chinese...

i lurve all kinds of fish when deep fried.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(napoli26 @ Sep 18 2013, 10:57 PM)
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lol muka also like ikan keli

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