QUOTE(freedom5345 @ Sep 21 2013, 08:35 PM)
dares kenjilew last time u all molest square SV, not say SV seat more nipis and light ?PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Rojak Thread V51, Ultimate Aku Brake Sendiri machine
PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Rojak Thread V51, Ultimate Aku Brake Sendiri machine
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Sep 22 2013, 12:11 AM
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Sep 22 2013, 01:44 AM
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Sep 22 2013, 02:36 PM
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Sep 22 2013, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 22 2013, 03:05 PM) Y kenot, changes in production lines happen all the time. See how the V-bar and 3-point rear center seatbelt is now standard across the whole FLX range when previously we don't get that? Older Proton models like Waja even got a different engine in the middle of it's lifecycle. As long as Proton did not commit to specific gear ratios and gearbox brand in marketing materials, it's hard to say Proton misrepresented their product to the consumers. but this sv, after finish old stock GB then put in new GB then that is abit ridiculous |
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Sep 23 2013, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 22 2013, 05:59 PM) Can anyone borrow me your CVT to drive around Cheras area, like an hour time? I promise I will not whack your car unless you tell me to. I just wanted to experience the jerk you guys mention. I've driven many CVT GaGa since March until today, I have never even once experience the jerkiness most CVT owner mentioned. David i think u have driven a "matured cvt". Even my cvt when new car that time also jerk like hell. After certain time, can feel that it is jerking less n less. Now the jerk is even lesser and when it jerks its really very minimal. Last time really jerk until body can move, u noe what i m trying to describe. Now i can only feel the small minimal choking and thats it. Think prolly its because the ecu has learned to overcome the jerk n adapt to my driving style ? |
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Sep 23 2013, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 23 2013, 07:31 AM) Absolutely no idea. For now, I'd think there's something to do with foot work. I can't tell yet cause I'm a manual transmission driver. Oftenly, when I drive a CVT GaGa, it's because my client demand me to pickup things and I do not wish to waste my petrol so I had their car. So, I drive the car by myself, I do not learn what's the issue with the car. I've automatically adapting to the car's characteristic and never experience such jerkiness. I have also driven some CVT during TT, but ususally I've put much concerntrate on the PROBLEM, and spend time talking to owner. I remember the 1st time I drove dares FLX SE, he mentioned either go extremely easy to the car or slam it cause the clutch biting point is exactly like a manual car. So we have driven a short distance of slow traffic, accidentally tapaued a Camry but that's all, never experience any jerk. I have no idea then. Before I got mine, I know driving CVT is a different kind of experience and during my first few months, I used to complain "bloody hell, choke until wan die like that". But after that (should be few months later), it somehow "magically" disappeared and I no longer had the jerk issue in my mind. Not sure whether it has disappeared or ECU/TCU has adapted my driving skills, or I myself have trained myself how to avoid the jerkings. Prolly I have trained myself good enough. I used to train myself to slowly press the pedal to accelerate and slowly release the pedal to decelerate. Otherwise, the car will choke like TFK. Some client of mine, mostly company car are very new. The latest I've driven was WYU with 3 point middle seatbelt at the back. The odometer read as 400km+. I did not experience jerk during the whole journey from Puchong to Jln Ipoh back to Puchong. Instead of putting credit to a "SEASONED" car, I'd think the smoothness was contributed by the "SEASONED" CVT owner. CVT is an uncommon type of transmission that people having hard time to understand how does it work mechanically. Atleast if you ask a person what does AT means, they can tell you the basics of gears and ratio. Other than ratio, CVT uses clutch just like a manual transmission car. When driver put their foot down before the clutch biting point, am sure the car will leap forward like any manual car. This is similar to engine choked situation when a noob manual driver already put their foot on the gas pedal before they fully release the clutch pedal. I strongly believe, all these jerking situation can be saved if the new CVT owner being trained well and understand how it works mechanically. The least is doing less harm to the CVT belt by reducing the semput issues. Other than above, I believe cold start engine stall issue is very hard to avoid. Again, it was due to the clutch biting timing. A seasoned CVT owner knows exactly when the clutch bite, and if not furnish with petrol engine will stall. I believe v12kompressor supplied FireStorm can help mitigate sempute² issue as it supplied complete burning, so your engine wouldn't stall easily. But now, even if I suddenly release pedal to decelerate, the car doesnt seem to have issues with jerk. Like I said before, even if it jerks, its only a very minor effect. Its the same before and after FS-ed. Not to forget, I only FS-ed like 2 months back Has it got anything to do with the updates on the ECU/TCU software ? No idea But I believe just like FC, its too early to complain anything about it if the car mileage is only <20k km. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Sep 23 2013, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE(adriangan @ Sep 23 2013, 07:29 AM) Haha, my father first time sit infront, also say so loud...even for short distance, ask me dun go fast, maybe this sound act as a mini speed-warning system for us. Hehe tell him, have u heard before tiger roar ?But there a good thing, at 100 above, u dun really need to downshiftn to 4th to acceralte faster there is a tiger logo in front, so under the bonnet must got tiger roar equivalent sounds. so it is normal. |
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Sep 23 2013, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 23 2013, 09:23 AM) davidke20 ruby1288 Let me try after work, see whether I can replicate the situation again or not.Drive slowly, slower than 20km/h, gently on the throttle. Then release the throttle -> press throttle again -> release throttle again etc... With the right timing you will experience the same kind of jerk on a manual car when you are on first gear and doing the same throttle action. The jerk is due to the CVT staying at low gear during stop-go traffic and reluctance to upshift unless you have accelerated pass a certain speed. Due to this jerk issue, last time I trained myself in traffic jam to let car roll and only step gas when in front car already too far away. |
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Sep 23 2013, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(outsider @ Sep 23 2013, 08:37 PM) have anyone saga owner experience this kind of problem immobilizer u mean ? about few week after i get my car. when i try to start the engine. it cannot be started, got sound "huuuuu huuuu huuu"(sry, i really dont know how to spell out the sound) like normal engine start, just cannot start the final stage in starting engine. after a while... it can started it like normal nothing problem.. i have mentioned this problem to eon service center when do the 1km service. they say he already adjusted the fuel injection last month i have same problem again today i have same problem again also i heard that my colleague say his friend cannot start the saga car because he dropped the key on floor and spoiled the something like "recognition starter"... it need to tow back to workshop. am i facing this the key tak cucuk baik or key recognition starter have problem?? immobilizer is the small chip like thingy inside ur key case. |
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Sep 24 2013, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 23 2013, 11:17 PM) Coutesy of Pak zeone ![]() Deswai I sei right foot plobrem. If given enough time like Ms.Ruby, adjust butt sensitivity and right foot action, he adapted to the CBT character liao hoh, very hard for him to create the jerk anymore. QUOTE(dares @ Sep 23 2013, 11:51 PM) Bila mau? Yea, this CVT characteristic can't be tamed totally. If it stopped jerking, that's because the CVT trained you, not the other way around Ok, yeterday after work stuck at LDP @ KJ LRT there. So manage to try to replicate the jerk. Can tell it is still there, BUT effect is very minimal. Minimal until my butt no longer sensitive to it unless I go looking for it. Yes, driver adapted to CBT or CBT trained driver <<< whichever 1st After 20k km or so, you would have ignored it and stopped complaining about jerks. Because you hated it so much in the beginning, you have adapted to changing your driving style. You will slowly learn to release brake, gently and slowly step gas pedal. That will do the trick I reckon manual drive before switching to CBT will adapt and learn faster ? because you already know how to find the sweet spot in when + how to step gas and to release by driving manual. After 20k km or so, you will start to admire CBT for its "buttery smooth" acceleration and normal driving experience. When you hit the highways, you will go GUNKER style and you will love it as well. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « for now bear with the CBT, after you have adapted to it, then blast your music and enjoy the CBT |
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Sep 24 2013, 08:39 AM
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Sep 24 2013, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(ReaperOfSoul @ Sep 23 2013, 11:00 PM) Hey guys, Think it is not the dealer that matters.I'm planning to get either a Saga SV cvt or the exec model. Any good car dealers to recommend around Damansara pj area? I'm planning to visit either the mutiara damansara or taman megah branch. Thanks It is the SA that matters. You don't deal with the SA company. You deal with the SA. If good SA, you don't need to worry about anything at all. My SA was pretty good for its service although let me cut his komisen by 500. He will tell me about the progress like bank loan approved, what rate, ask ok or not. Then JPJ register there, he ask OK or not if today number start with 1/2/3. Good dealers does not necessary mean that the SA that served you is equally good. So go all ur nearby dealers and meet the SA. Whichever gib u best price and service, thats the one. |
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Sep 24 2013, 08:45 AM
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Sep 24 2013, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Sep 24 2013, 10:31 AM) Hi & Good morning, Everyone!! Did you share your findings with GY ? Believe it or not...the day started with a couple of heavy showers!! Anyway, juz2share what can even happen 2s major branded tyre production... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Probably a few ppl in the factory were negligent... 1. Guy i/c of changing info in that part of the mould; 2. Supervisor who didn't chk everything in order b4 start production; 3. QC guy who closed both his eyes & passed the products! And, of course, TOP management oblivious of goings-on and wondering why GY sales not doing well.... ps. The production batch dated same for both, namely 1613 ie 16th week of 2013. Maybe, out of embarrassment, they will compensate you with a new tyre for your spare tyre |
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Sep 24 2013, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Sep 24 2013, 10:43 AM) Tayar pun sudah beli, mau diskaun buat apa ? Free tyre for spare is the way to go QUOTE(zeone @ Sep 24 2013, 10:45 AM) Hi Bro... Try and see. Never try never know Me posted a comment in the FBk page... Response was me was asked 2contact Cust Care @1 800 number... Is that no. fOC calls or local call charge? Not gonna call & get passed around lo..."hold the line pls while I connect yu to...." Also sent filled up & sent a comment form in their website. However, no reply as yet... Like I said, MAYBE u get another piece FOC. |
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Sep 24 2013, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Sep 24 2013, 11:04 AM) Not hoping 4anything, Bro... 2013 is not a GOODYear Juz hoping my revelation wld wake those GY ppl fr their slumber! And do something 2uphold their international reputation... Frankly this kinda error is simply ridiculous & unacceptable of an international brand name!! Agreed? |
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Sep 24 2013, 09:28 PM
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Sep 24 2013, 09:31 PM
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Sep 24 2013, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 24 2013, 09:31 PM) Hamka brand line of tire products Comfort tires - Chan Street tires - Ling Track tires - Foo Kuai Will have the word "SV" on the right side of the bootlid. No exhaust top cover. No window visor. I determine by seeing exhaust pipe. |
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