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post Sep 15 2013, 10:46 PM

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watch out your right foot - very important too
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post Sep 16 2013, 04:17 AM

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post Sep 16 2013, 07:31 AM

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Wanna get more FC to be train urself stay at home for most of times... That is settle smile.gif

Ha ha yesterday night, with my family wanna go for mamak shop for eatting roti canai only.
I am chose the far from my Tmn to 15km around there.
End up my wife sound me eat at our Taman is ok already, just took me less than 8km from my house to the shop, we also happy to enjoy the roti canai..

Save save save.. 20 cent & 20 cent increase like no tomorrow already.
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post Sep 16 2013, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(AkiNa VaMPiRe @ Sep 15 2013, 10:34 PM)
so u guys means i should let it on D when going downhill rite? forgot to mention that my gbox is cvt gbox.. but when i going downhill by using D, it make my car more slow to go down n the rpm straightly go up.. i think that is wasting fuel... haizz
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if cvt gearbox, i think its normal that the engine rpm will go up quite a lot when you completely let go throttle, same effect as if normal AT switch to 3rd or 2nd gear manually. Not sure if in cvt case, it would be fuel wasting or no. If normal AT, most ppl advice don't switch to N at down hill or slowing down before red light. keep gear in D and let the wheel drive the engine, the ECU will sense engine is at very low load and reduce fuel injection to very low or almost null. Then at complete stop at redlight, shift to N.
QUOTE(reshbala @ Sep 15 2013, 10:43 PM)
u want more better FC? maybe you should perform weight reduction. throw out unwanted seat,change bodypanels to carbon fibre. change to smaller alloy wheels,smaller tyres needs less torque to roll.
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agreed on weight reduction but what you suggest is a little bit too extreme for me.. haha might ended up investing more than fuel save. Read somewhere before that, remove the spare tyre from the car. replace it instead with those emergency inflation kit/bottle, and emergency tyre repair kit.
QUOTE(kimsim @ Sep 16 2013, 07:31 AM)
Wanna get more FC to be train urself stay at home for most of times... That is settle smile.gif
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this method confirm fuel save the most, but its save by not using. I'm more to save by increased efficiency.
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post Sep 16 2013, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Sep 15 2013, 10:54 AM)

2) Tyre Pressure.
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My setup currently:
1) Shell Helix HX-7E 5w-30 SS  (next candidate: LM MOS 10w30 SS)
2) 36-37 psi (my car's recommended pressure is 33-35 psi.  pump over a bit because tyre is 'hot' when arrive at petrol station)
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Over-inflated tyre is not something recommended.
An over inflated tyre can cause the tyre to crack, wear faster (at center) as well, which means more money wasted, as well as risk of blow out which can be very dangerous especially travelling at high speed at highway time.

Also over inflated tyre can have less grip which is risky, that can cause accident. An accident can cause more money, as well as risk of injury and life.
So don't be penny wise and pound foolish. smile.gif
Always use the optimum pressure recommended.

Tyre pressure generally stay quite constantly, if using everyday, it is unlikely to lose pressure from 31 psi to 21 psi, just a month or 2 using.

Safety is always the top priority.

The better way to save money is planning destination route properly, park you car whenever got parking space, don't go few round just to look for "nearer" car park.
Don't go to far for shopping just because there 2kg Milo pack is selling Rm2.00 cheaper. (I see many did this)
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Drive smoothly, instead accelerate fast, and break hard approaching junction/traffic light.

Many more effective way to save money, instead try to over-inflated tyre which can be dangerous. sweat.gif
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post Sep 16 2013, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 16 2013, 10:46 AM)
Over-inflated tyre is not something recommended.
An over inflated tyre can cause the tyre to crack, wear faster (at center) as well, which means more money wasted, as well as risk of blow out which can be very dangerous especially travelling at high speed at highway time.

Also over inflated tyre can have less grip which is risky, that can cause accident. An accident can cause more money, as well as risk of injury and life.
So don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  smile.gif
Always use the optimum pressure recommended.

Tyre pressure generally stay quite constantly, if using everyday, it is unlikely to lose pressure from 31 psi to 21 psi, just a month or 2 using.

Safety is always the top priority.

The better way to save money is planning destination route properly, park you car whenever got parking space, don't go few round just to look for "nearer" car park.
Don't go to far for shopping just because there 2kg Milo pack is selling Rm2.00 cheaper. (I see many did this)
Light footer
Drive smoothly, instead accelerate fast, and break hard approaching junction/traffic light.

Many more effective way to save money, instead try to over-inflated tyre which can be dangerous.  sweat.gif
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Slight over inflation is ok. Some cars have two inflation schedule. It is safe to use the higher one.
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Remember it is COLD pressure, that is pressure in the morning when your car hasn't move.

Blowout happen because of tyre failure. Tyre failure happens because of heat and heat is caused by *under* inflation. Under inflation causes the tyre to lose some rigidity leading to more deflection causing the tyre to heat up.
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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Sep 15 2013, 06:03 PM)
I'm aware that i shouldn't invest more money to push the FC that wouldn't save my initial invest cost.  a) i changed the engine oil to 5w-30 only when the service is due, not when my previous 10w-40 is still fresh.  b) i changed tyre to Ecopia EP150 because my previous tyre set already reach the tread wear indicator already.  in fact has been running on wear indicator for a few months already.  So in this way, i don't consider myself "spending more money".
4) this is one of thing i wanna ask, is it okay for normal car (aka car that don't comes with stop/start system) to do manual stop/start too?? i know this is fuel saving but some ppl said the engine starter will very fast rosak..  and maybe the battery strain is higher also because i'll be using air-con when the engine is stop.  Anyway i did this once because stuck in super traffic jam, didn't move for like 10 mins ++, off engine, off air-con, very hot sweat.gif
5)  hmm.gif malaysia is too hot, i cannot give up air-con.  but i do tune the temp knot to what i feel ok
6)  rclxub.gif i don't have electric self-closing side mirror.. and not to mention its super dangerous to do so.  not feasible
Do you consider me over inflating already?? i dunno, because my theory is that, the car's recommended tyre pressure printed at the side of the door is "cold" pressure *Source-Wikihow*.  But for me, i drove a long way and when i reach a petrol station, my tyre is "hot", and so i should pump "hot pressure" aka pump a bit more than the cold pressure stated.

fuel additives, i dunno, but my eagerness to try out this particular brand is just too strong tongue.gif
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The cold pressure vs hot pressure is not significant, it is not the like PSI will rise 5-10 during "hot" time.

Get the fuel efficient car/engine, light footer, eliminate unnecessary travel, is better than those trivia issue, or get a light weight small car is miles better whatever effort try to do.

Yes, good to choose those more "saving" method, but not until try to over-inflated the tyre, purpose stop the engine during traffic light etc. <--- use hybrid car if intend to save fuel by stopping at traffic light, as hybrid save those fuel into battery.

Stop/start more often make battery shorter, which a battery can cost Rm150~200, so whatever saving from fuel (by stop/start more often) may go to battery. Not to mention potential more wear and tear on engine part.


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QUOTE(sanadi @ Sep 16 2013, 10:53 AM)
Slight over inflation is ok. Some cars have two inflation schedule. It is safe to use the higher one.
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Remember it is COLD pressure, that is pressure in the morning when your car hasn't move.

Blowout happen because of tyre failure. Tyre failure happens because of heat and heat is caused by *under* inflation. Under inflation causes the tyre to lose some rigidity leading to more deflection causing the tyre to heat up.
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Both under-inflated and over-inflated also not something good and recommended.
Both increase the risk.

Less grip due to over-inflated tyre can be as dangerous as well.
Yes, slight over still ok, not the like significant over.

Cold vs hot can be insignificant for here, as temperature here difference is not the like from zero to 40C.
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just pumped rm50 foor the new rm2.10 petrol. trying out bhp as suggested by some forummers for saga blm. the petrol feels so 'little', rm50 only get 23litres now.....woo woo, drive carefully and see how.

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post Sep 16 2013, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Sep 16 2013, 07:31 AM)
Wanna get more FC to be train urself stay at home for most of times... That is settle smile.gif

Ha ha yesterday night, with my family wanna go for mamak shop for eatting roti canai only.
I am chose the far from my Tmn to 15km around there.
End up my wife sound me eat at our Taman is ok already, just took me less than 8km from my house to the shop, we also happy to enjoy the roti canai..

Save save save.. 20 cent & 20 cent increase like no tomorrow already.
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Staying at home will cause economy stagnation, then recession, pay cut, job lost...lol..

Get a bicycle or walk to near by destination, save fuel, exercise & boost local economy...can burn those extra calories from roti canai & teh tarik ...lol...




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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 16 2013, 10:46 AM)
Over-inflated tyre is not something recommended.
An over inflated tyre can cause the tyre to crack, wear faster (at center) as well, which means more money wasted, as well as risk of blow out which can be very dangerous especially travelling at high speed at highway time.

Also over inflated tyre can have less grip which is risky, that can cause accident. An accident can cause more money, as well as risk of injury and life.
So don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  smile.gif
Always use the optimum pressure recommended.

Tyre pressure generally stay quite constantly, if using everyday, it is unlikely to lose pressure from 31 psi to 21 psi, just a month or 2 using.

Safety is always the top priority.

The better way to save money is planning destination route properly, park you car whenever got parking space, don't go few round just to look for "nearer" car park.
Don't go to far for shopping just because there 2kg Milo pack is selling Rm2.00 cheaper. (I see many did this)
Light footer
Drive smoothly, instead accelerate fast, and break hard approaching junction/traffic light.

Many more effective way to save money, instead try to over-inflated tyre which can be dangerous.  sweat.gif
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Funny. I usually hear the recommendation to overinflate the tyres. Not to the extreme of course, but 20 kPa more than recommended is good, more than that still acceptable. It reduces tyre wear cause the tyre isn't dented so much anymore (it keeps deforming while driving, by reducing that it won't be as hot anymore, it won't be worn out so fast), though you may loose a bit of grip by reducing the contact surface if you go too far. Also the manufacturer recommends increasing the pressure anyway depending on usage... i.e. if you mostly drive on highways it should be higher, if you have heavy loads in the car, ... The main advantage of a not so high pressure is comfort.

Being UNDER the recommended pressure is bad however. The tyre wears out faster, handling will suffer, let alone the increase in fuel consumption.

I usually drive with 240-250 kPa. No problems.

Btw., IIRC there was a 20 kPa or so increase from cold to hot tyre... so yes, it is quite a bit. And hot means like driving 3 minutes.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 16 2013, 11:04 AM)
Yes, slight over still ok, not the like significant over.

Cold vs hot can be insignificant for here, as temperature here difference is not the like from zero to 40C.
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Cold vs hot here i don't mean the ambient temperature of malaysia. i meant the temperature raised due to air friction within the tyre itself. from what i observe is quite significant. ie last time before i go out in the morning, i checked tyre pressure using my pressure gauge (cheapo type la tongue.gif ) is 31psi. then after come home in evening/night or so, check again and the pressure is 33-34 psi.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 16 2013, 11:04 AM)
Stop/start more often make battery shorter, which a battery can cost Rm150~200, so whatever saving from fuel (by stop/start more often) may go to battery. Not to mention potential more wear and tear on engine part.
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kind of agree with you here. i think the strain to battery and/or starter is too great. not to mention no aircon during engine off! tongue.gif

QUOTE(mikehwy @ Sep 16 2013, 11:04 AM)
just pumped rm50 foor the new rm2.10 petrol. trying out bhp as suggested by some forummers for saga blm. the petrol feels so 'little', rm50 only get 23litres now.....woo woo, drive carefully and see how.
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don't have bhp at my area cry.gif currently using petronas most of the time.. read on some forums that mentioned shell's 95 is not that good. but from my experience, i can't really tell any difference hmm.gif

QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 16 2013, 12:36 PM)
Staying at home will cause economy stagnation,  then recession, pay cut, job lost...lol..

Get a bicycle or walk to near by destination, save fuel, exercise & boost local economy...can burn those extra calories from roti canai & teh tarik ...lol...
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lols, true thumbup.gif .

QUOTE(kadajawi @ Sep 16 2013, 01:48 PM)
Funny. I usually hear the recommendation to overinflate the tyres. Not to the extreme of course,
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agree with you here. keypoint is SLIGHT overinflate
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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Sep 16 2013, 11:23 PM)
Cold vs hot here i don't mean the ambient temperature of malaysia.  i meant the temperature raised due to air friction within the tyre itself.  from what i observe is quite significant.  ie last time before i go out in the morning, i checked tyre pressure using my pressure gauge (cheapo type la tongue.gif ) is 31psi.  then after come home in evening/night or so, check again and the pressure is 33-34 psi.

That's what I meant too, and the difference is similar to what i heard. Maybe next time you can test before you drive, and then after a few minutes test again. I'd love to see how much difference it really makes in Malaysia.
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kind of agree with you here.  i think the strain to battery and/or starter is too great.  not to mention no aircon during engine off!  tongue.gif

Hm. I do turn off the engine when parking... i.e. I full blast the aircon until the temp is ok (with the aircon set to cycle the air inside the car... not sure what the name for that feature is), then off the engine, and when it gets too hot I start the engine again. So maybe every 10 minutes keep the engine running for a minute or two.
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agree with you here.  keypoint is SLIGHT overinflate
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I run 36 psi (but with warm tyres), I guess that is acceptable. I wouldn't go any further than that though.
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retune your ECU. Include lean cruise. A bit extreme but it does help.
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In Malaysia, is there such place to install "belly pan" for the undercarriage ? First it does improve aerodynamics which gives better fuel consumption. Second, it protects the undercarriage from being damaged by rocks.
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Yeah, but where does your engine heat will flow?
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to be honest, i think the best is still to train your driving habits la. unless your car is seriously that badly engineered or so old that its wasting large amount of fuel, doing any of the things like changing viscosity and over inflating tyres are not going to do much.

your right foot is the biggest contributor to high FC, tame it is all you really need to do. anything else will save you probably like few percent here and there and is just not worth the effort/danger/damage you likely cause to your car

on a related note, i personally think hypermiling is stupid, dangerous, and downright irritating.

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hello.
just changed 2 new front tyre, Sime only la at rm160 x 2.
the shop pumped in over 35kpi and my blm jumps on the road, so weird but haha very funny ride. will reduce the pressure to 31 as recommended.

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All the sifu here already teach on how safe fuel, (Constant speed, Off aircond, Reduce drag, Inflate the tire, Reduce weight and last proper maintenance of your car - no skipping the service schedule).

Stay @ home and do more online shopping to keep the economy going.. smile.gif


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