That is, a certified electrician or electrical expert should be called upon to the site to investigate before the faulted parties can be established. With limited surface evidence, I doubt they will be able to successfully take legal action against anyone.

Really sad case man.

Wonder how safe are my water heaters, normally people doesnt check the ELCB thingy what, shouldnt the supply be automatically cut off if ELCB is faulty? Something is wrong here

ya o, like that would be very safe

Haha you are sold on it.

But the fact remains that most consumers are not sold on it.

As a matter of fact, most people install electric instant water heater. The much safer electric water heater using storage tank, is not even as popular as the instant one.

no need susah susah use apa solar, gas, or kettle....
if you want centralized, get a mini heat pump

This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 11 2013, 11:40 AM

that MK condo is more than 20 years old and most of the components in the main fuse box at the said condo itself esp. the main fuse has to be change .......otherwise the main fuse will not trip in case of emergency like lightning strike.......better still.......change all fuses there cost only RM5.00 per unit...the main fuse.....cost more..........the only expensive part is the electrician's labour charges


IMO....nothing wrong with today's instant water heaters (all Brands) sold in reputable shops .......but you need a good electrician to fix and the most important part......make sure he join the earth wire properly in the heater.

+1

I personally like the heat pump idea very much, with air cond even better since we use air cond almost everyday.

We dont have the infra of having gas supply to bathroom like oversea.

can the rinnai unit use those gas tank like our stove?
but i guess the heater itself must be installed outside of the bathroom
yeah like you said, we dont have that sort of infra

i remember Ascon used to have that reclaimed from their compressor thingy but now i cant find it. I think not popular so they discontinued.
I think for people that uses their aircons everyday, like myself, it is worth considering

Pecol has one = http://www.pecol.com.my/products.php#storagetank

This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 11 2013, 12:19 PM

We use instant water heater becos it is cheap and conveniant way of getting hot water. Other countries they provide infra of supply safe gas into bathroom, so they have more choices. When you are open up to more choices, you will pick the safer and meet your budget one. Gas heater meets both safety and budget requirement, now can you say more people use does not mean it is safer?

This post has been edited by KLsooner: Sep 11 2013, 12:20 PM

agree with you especially on the earth one. i have seen many many times how electrical devices are NOT earthed.

and guess what? a LOT of china grade products are without earth wiring when they should be.

but even as what you have mentioned, i'll bet you'll still find landlords there who wouldn't bother wanting to change or upgrade the DB/ELCBs even if it's old. the mentality is a penny saved is a penny earned here in Malaysia.

I understand everything you say until the last sentence.

"Gas heater meets both safety and budget requirement, now can you say more people use does not mean it is safer?"

My argument is simple :-

More people use do not mean it is safer ! This world is not built based on safety consideration only.

If you could convert the majority of Malaysian to use gas heater, then I might want to consider accepting your explanation. Kakaka.



This post has been edited by puchongite: Sep 11 2013, 12:29 PM

Your electrical knowledge is close to zero, please stop commenting on something you do not know exactly. Too many people here comment for the shiok of typing.

Base on your logic, all the electrical appliances that come with 2 pin socket (no earth) should be banned.

did i say ALL of the 2 pin sockets should be banned or were you the one who said so? guess whose english + electrical knowledge is the one that is lacking?

Looks like you aren't lack of good English and electrical knowledge.

1.Tell me which china grade products are without earth wiring when they should be.

2. Tell me which electrical devices you have seen many many times are NOT earthed? and Why should they be?

Actually earthing should be for the body or frame of the equipment, eg electrical panels or heavy equipment metal frames you would surely see earthing cable in case of short circuit to body, and harming whoever touches the body.

For water heaters since usually the body is made of plastic, earthing cable wouldnt help. How la to easily dismantle the body if got earthing cable, furthermore metal body not cheap also.

I imagined that the electric shock happened when somehow 240vac came in contact with the water, its shorted somewhere...

to answer your question:

1. cheap lighting and heating products with clear conductive surfaces that uses direct AC without any earth wire. stuffs that could never ever get the approval to sell in EU being dumped into uneducated countries.

2. many many times? ceiling lights and fans. the reason? either the electrician illegally replace with an unearth wire without owner knowledge to save cost or "it's so high, nobody will touch it one lar when in use" excuse

So the accusation of your electrical knowledge is close to zero is correct. You just proved yourself. Do not pick from 1ullaby answer, his or her answer is only partially right but still better than you knowing absolutely NOTHING.

1. Why cheap lighting and heating products with clear conductive surfaces that uses direct AC MUST have a earth wire? Does having earth make the thing safe? Please enlighten me.

2. Stuffs that could never ever get the approval to sell in EU being dumped into uneducated countries, ho ho ho, I almost fainted when I see this. From where did you get build up this logic, mind to share? Do you really need approval to seel in EU? Do you think uneducated countries like bolehland can simply sell without approval?

3. many many times??? copy from your previous reply.

4. IS IT ILLEGAL have an unearth wire product or to leave the earth wire unconnected in lights and fans ? or this is just your own judgement. Judge ebackbone

Anyone know which MK condo is this ?

Are you serious?