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post Sep 10 2013, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Sep 10 2013, 03:04 PM)
I agree with you, the constant fear of being electrocuted while having shower is a fear that has been with me for sometime now. I too have been trying to figure out a way on how to avoid this. Sadly there's none, unless you go shower with a Bomba class boots.

Personally I have already heard of about 2 around this year, 1 case was a Malaysian & the other recent was 2 japanese nationality. Total up 4 people has died within this year with relations to water heater short circuit.

I believe regular maintenance such as removing dirt and sand from the internal pipes by reversing the water flow and testing of the circuit breaker button is very important & can help minimize issue. Other than that, it's really luck.

Maybe the manufacturers should put an estimated shelf life for each unit of water heater, so that we know when to change it and avoid being fried alive.
Agree with you that driving is even more dangerous than using a water heater.
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There is option beside electric heater.

You can use gas heater. It more save and safer.

Or solar heater which don't have heater type. Just sun and hot water.
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post Sep 10 2013, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(platinum_12 @ Sep 10 2013, 10:43 PM)
Ha3 later you will hear people died due to explosion during bathing.. there is no way you can cheat death bro...
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Final Destination meh. tongue.gif

During gas heater era, not much news I heard about gas explosion. Normally the leaking is very small. Rather a fire than explosion.

Gas heater have a safety valve. Which will shutdown when high pressure release. Even if a gas hose broken, the most is fire shut out. Because the gas valve limit the pressure. I saw this kind of situation before during makan steambot. Scary.

The most famous news using gas heater is suicide. Specially in HK. Even HK actress use gas heater for suicide.


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post Sep 11 2013, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 11:51 PM)
The was I remember was the Empire shopping mall.
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That 1 using main piping gas. Where the regulator pressure is higher than the house tank type. If ventilation not enough like empire where mostly close up, the explosion will happen.
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post Sep 11 2013, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(fireballs @ Sep 10 2013, 11:56 PM)
types of water heater -
- tank type
must use external earth fault breaker at 10 or 30ma
suited for multi point use

- instant type
  usually have built-in 10ma breaker
  for 1 point only

- gas fired
  risk of gas leak
  widely used in other countries like taiwan, and yes explosions happens

- solar
  have electric booster as well, when sun is low. same like tank type
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I don't trust much about the instant heater elcb. They use electronic type. Which are not reliable at all. I would rather install an additional elcb near to the heater. The main elcb is too far away. In case ....

Solar heater do have non electric type.
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post Sep 11 2013, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(brutalsoul @ Sep 11 2013, 12:40 AM)
most of the new instant water heather is equip with ELCB
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Not most but all. Not reliable.
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post Sep 11 2013, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Sep 11 2013, 12:58 AM)
my 2 weeks old Alpha water heater just kaput... damn.. better kaput than kena electrocuted i suppose
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Alpha ? sweat.gif Ada case. sweat.gif
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post Sep 11 2013, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Sep 11 2013, 01:02 AM)
holy sh*t! what should i do now? get it repaired or change it??  cry.gif
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Got warranty mah. Take it back for repair lah.
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post Sep 11 2013, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(adamrobinson @ Sep 11 2013, 01:15 AM)
You can also use gas heater which is too safe if your bathroom so wide because I am also using gas heater which is not too costly & only one time installation..Mine suggestion to you to go for Gas heater...
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In this country, the gas era is over. It is just like trend here. And most of them don't no got gas heater too.

Mostly using elctrical heater. As it is cheaper and easy to install.
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post Sep 11 2013, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 11 2013, 09:27 AM)
Because people here in this forum mostly marketing electrical, and solar only. And they don't sell.

Gas is still best bang for buck. And go for RINNAI.
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I think the cons about gas heater is the installation. With the high price now from labour till parts, not cheap to install.

And the bad talk from the saleman about gas explosion. Which hardly I heard last time. But they don't tell you about electrocute.
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post Sep 11 2013, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Sep 11 2013, 10:10 AM)
dont feel safe... will always have that 'what if' feeling...
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Haunting you the news? brows.gif

Meanwhile, the japanese couple that dies from electrucuted, stay at that block which happen many strange ppl died case. sweat.gif

--> Haunted Block
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post Sep 11 2013, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Patagoniaranger @ Sep 11 2013, 11:21 AM)
did you all read the newspaper today? they advised consumer to constantly check the ELCB every time or even monthly... crazy shit... we werent' told of this thing in the manual at all. And the hassle of checking and trauma everytime using water heater is like after watching Jaws the movie now. going to shower, check first..
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Actually it been longtime about elcb checking news. I think the manual did write a button to push at the heater to test the elcb function or not. Monthly checking is recommend.

Just ppl don't pay attention till to late.
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post Sep 11 2013, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(lionfish77 @ Sep 11 2013, 11:38 AM)
safest is to use solar powered water heater. My house is using it. It's been raining a lot lately and the sun is hardly out. But we still get enough warm water for shower and haven't had the need to switch on the electric heater. Water is not hot as during hot days but still warm enough to take a shower.
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Your tank still have the electric heater in it. Parts that seldom use and longtime no use is more danger when 1 day you ON it. sweat.gif
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post Sep 11 2013, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Sep 11 2013, 11:42 AM)
isn't electrocution from an instant water heater rather difficult cos all external parts are plastic, unless messing with it while in the showering
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It is the showering water and your ground feet.
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post Sep 11 2013, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(lionfish77 @ Sep 11 2013, 11:55 AM)
i on it and heat up the water for a while. then i switch off and take a shower. How dangerous can it be?
maybe I need to worry about falling off the bed as well.
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The water is the electrical transfer medium. The electrucute doesn't neccassary coming from the shower that you use. It can come from anybody that using the water.
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post Sep 11 2013, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Patagoniaranger @ Sep 11 2013, 12:02 PM)
how bout water heater tank, does it has ELCB ?
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I m not sure about this. Weikee is using storage tank. Maybe he can answer you. Additional elcb for safety perhaps?
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post Sep 11 2013, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(savien @ Sep 11 2013, 12:16 PM)
Me just replaced my Panasonic WH (10years old)... recently... to Joven WH with rain shower... I didnt buy those with pump coz I have redo the piping so that the WH is using direct water instead. Good news is good pressure... bad news is no water supply no hot water la...

The main thing is brand... most of the time I see those case happened is when they use dunno what type of china made brands... better to use a branded WH...
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Panasonic is more reliable. Why choose joven? Branded?
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post Sep 11 2013, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Sep 11 2013, 12:36 PM)
even if heater element leaks electricity, the water can't conduct electricity as it breaks up into drops as it comes out of the showerhead and won't create a circuit

and if all external parts are plastic/non-conductive then should be ok
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You forget your hand holding the shower head which inside is a continue water flowing. While your hand and body is wet.

And the water is not really breakup as what you see in the rain. Don't forget, the flow rate is higher than the rain outside. This is not I just talk kok. I did use a fast speed camera to record the water flowing from the shower.
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post Sep 11 2013, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Sep 11 2013, 12:38 PM)
'dying' to know what is the brand of the water heater!!
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post Sep 11 2013, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 11 2013, 01:11 PM)
Haha... like that also can.  rclxms.gif  I got no comment already.
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Educate ppl abit lah.
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post Sep 11 2013, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 11 2013, 12:49 PM)
All storage heater piping will be earth. Make sure house earth cable are working. I earth all my ss piping.

Even solar can be dangerous if electric leak. Imagine a live wires touches the steel / copper pipe. These can happen when rats bit the cables and it touches the pipes.
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There is a dangerous your elcb won't trip if you earth your piping. Piping is consider a conductor to earth. Cause piping is run to ground too.

If the current travel to pipe instead to elcb, your elcb won't detect current fault.

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