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 ASN, ASN2, ASN3, ASG, ASB, ASW2020, ASM, ASD, AS1M, AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL BERHAD V4

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davinz18
post Sep 15 2013, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 15 2013, 12:08 AM)
Funds raise will goes to KLCI (assume 70%)
KLCI will goes North
Win-win situation for all parties
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Good point rclxms.gif

So we can expect more "upside" on Bursa esp the 30 CI link shares thumbup.gif

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post Sep 15 2013, 01:31 PM

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ASB have some kind of premium "brand" among people. People look up towards ASB. I expect ASB 2 could be fully subscribe within 1-2 years (take-up rate would be even faster if banks offer ASB 2 Loans)

With this, I don't think anytime soon all those unsold Bumi units in ASW & AS1M would be sold out.

Based on my observation & some research. I managed to come with few conclusion.

1 - AS1M unsold units would be "released" to all
2 - New Amanah Saham with no racial quota
3 - Savings Sukuk with 5% pa
4 - ASM additional unit (Maybe 1 - 2bil with no racial quota)

All these are to "fund" the gomen projects, maybe for the upcoming $ 3B Mega IPO & others

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Sep 15 2013, 01:09 PM)
asb2 is for bumi who have maxed out asb1,simple as that, i also want to park more than the limit of 200k(own fund) in asb1. This can definitely win the heart of middle class bumi like me
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That's One of the reason for ASB2, others are for "funding" Mega Projects & Upcoming Mega IPO whistling.gif
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post Sep 15 2013, 03:51 PM

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IF really PNB launch new fixed price scheme, I think the same old "crap" excuses / Negative perception when AS1M launch few years back would appear again nod.gif

It's always like that.

Also one thing I realized, ASB & ASW don't list full their investment in Bursa. They would only list the top 20 only unlike ASM, ASD & AS1M hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Sep 15 2013, 03:54 PM)
i can say not going to happen. And my opinion giving this ASB2, and let say profiting bumi, keep in mind that ASB is not even max up or even have by every single bumi, so the profiting bumi statement is not valid, even other fund is not fully filled eg ASM, AS1M, there must be something happen inside. Eg, hidden crisis such as not enough funds to cover up OR just to "pleased" EVERY SINGLE investor heart that their management is running well aka "pill penenang hati". But we don't know, just my personal opinion. 

or on the bright site, they wish to have bumi 100 % 8 PA profit, and letting go all the quota status in ASW, ASM, AS1M, so that can be said that bumi = ASB/ASB2
non bumi = ASM/AS1M/ASW2020.....
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Sep 15 2013, 03:55 PM)
No, i thing the crap will not happen again unless all ppl are brainless after the same incident happen again....
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I think ASB already very2 "big" & cannot take anymore funds. Someone told me there's a risk that 8% dividend is not sustainable in long run hmm.gif

About the "crap" thing, we cannot say. Sometimes people are irrational, follow other people advice & hear rumours from their "financial advisers" doh.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 15 2013, 04:35 PM)
Those who give 'crap' comments won't invest at all
Oni those who xperience d beauty of ASW2020/ASM/AS1M will invest. Some may 'Show Hand' too

ASB/ASW obtained special xemption from SC not to disclose it's full investments
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Yup, those who gave "crap" comments are mostly directly & indirectly effected IF new fund are launch. They the one who spread the negative rumours last time. How I know? because my auntie told me her "financial adviser" told her not invest doh.gif

Oh like that. No wonder when I see the Annual Report, they don't have full list like ASM, ASD & AS1M.
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ASB got 7.82 million unit holders which hold a total of 110.2 billion units as 19 December 2012.

ASB has recorded a gross income of RM8.54 billion. Dividend income from investee companies contributed RM4.80 billion or 56.21% of the gross income. Meanwhile, profit from the sale of shares contributed RM2.68 billion or 31.38% and the balance of RM1.06 billion or 12.41% derived from other incomes.

http://www.asnb.com.my/english/news/asb_distribution2012.htm



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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 15 2013, 05:46 PM)
Units in circulation for ASB is 121.57 bil units @ 31/5/2013
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It's getting bigger by the month. Just 5mth already increased by 11.37bil units (from 110.2 billion as 19 Dec 2012) shakehead.gif

This year end sure reach 140Bil units nod.gif shocking.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 15 2013, 06:15 PM)
Statistics for ASB
Info xtract from Prospectus
16/6/2005 - 42.0 bil
31/5/2006 - 48.62 bil
31/5/2007 - 53.52 bil
31/5/2008 - 60.02 bil
29/5/2009 - 67.12 bil
31/5/2010 - 78.88 bil
31/5/2011 - 91.87 bil
31/5/2012 - 103.62 bil
31/5/2013 - 121.57 bil
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2012 - 2013 period is the fastest shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(navink @ Sep 15 2013, 10:42 PM)
Damn..  biggrin.gif
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No worries bro, ASB2 will be available soon (maybe next month). The details of the fund also not out yet. Wait for the "official" announcement from PNB smile.gif
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Sep 15 2013, 10:50 PM)
even if there's no cap, i don't think anyone would dump all the money inside since it has yet to show its returns

i am skeptical. the ASB2 might only share the name with ASB, but the returns maybe in the range of AS1M, ASW and ASM. if that is the case, i'd rather stick with these 3 funds which have proven record over the years

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Correct also what you said. Who knows the return maybe like ASD hmm.gif

But this is ASB2 launch by PM Najib, I think dividend would be Above those 3 fund but lower than ASB hmm.gif
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post Sep 15 2013, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Sep 15 2013, 11:03 PM)
Amanah Hartanah Bumpiutra (AHB) is also launched by PM. the dividend is about 6.3% only

and worse, AHB's distributed dividend is not re-invested. instead, they place it in your personal account. so unless you transfer the money manually, you won't see the money grow at all.
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I cannot comment about AHB. I don't have the Annual Report. Google about it also no use doh.gif

if not reinvestment, then the money won't grow thus no use investing in it

But ASB & others fund always reinvested, so no worries about it. The only worries is the dividend rate nod.gif


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QUOTE(lucifah @ Sep 15 2013, 11:23 PM)
ASW used to issue dividends with cheques. only recently, it is automatically re-invested.
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Recently? I thought already 6 years they do reinvestment hmm.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 15 2013, 11:32 PM)
I beg to differ
Both AHB n other ASNB fixed pricing products gave reasonable dividend rates
The oni difference is whether the returns is compounded or not
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I've no problem with the dividend rate. Anything above 6% is good.

What I mean was that if got reinvestment better, because the money would "grow" automatically. Don't need to think much.

If the money return to us, we need to think where to "dump" the money & make it grow bigger.
Lucifah was saying, need to manually do reinvestment by transferring the money from your personal bank account to AHB.
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Sep 15 2013, 11:37 PM)
well, it was launched in 1996. for 10 yrs, cheques were issued. 6 yrs ago is quite recent to me  smile.gif
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My definition of "recently" differ with you. For me "recently" is few months or 1-2 years smile.gif
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Sep 15 2013, 11:55 PM)
the dividend is paid bi-annually

it's a hassle to maintain this fund, so i skipped this one. actually, i tried it with 100k investement as the maybank manager promoted it to me. left it for about 2 yrs before i remember updating it. all dividends are parked in savings account, which yielded me only like 0.5% interest.
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Do they post the annual report online?

Searching in Maybank website about this fund, I still cannot understand it rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(PainHacker @ Sep 16 2013, 04:02 PM)
im not sure what are you trying to say haha but i think i dont have it
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what he trying to say is that every year there's annual statement from PNB stating your dividend amount & total units after dividend. They would send it to your registered address when you first open your amanah saham nod.gif
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QUOTE(jayro_88 @ Sep 16 2013, 04:06 PM)
I lost my book for 10 years and last year I re-issued it. There were like few hundreds in it and I got dividend for 10 years. Means the account and balance is still there.
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Yup, The money will still be there

ASNB account not like Banks account nod.gif
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QUOTE(PainHacker @ Sep 16 2013, 05:37 PM)
ooh that one. hmmm i didnt receive it at all but somehow my parents got it for their own account hmmm
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I think you better update your passbook & also need to update your address. I think the statement went to your previous address hmm.gif

You better do faster because there's possibility those staying at your old address would know your Amanah saham Balance & total dividend (if they "opened" your letter)
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QUOTE(titanic_crash @ Sep 16 2013, 08:53 PM)
Succesfully transfer a  few thousand from EPF Account 1 to AS1M...based from the conversation with the officer, ASNB have locked a few million for the scheme(bumi only as non bumi quota also full)...

next transfer would be in december 2013, have to be quick..next year would be tough as EPF will raise the Basic Savings Amount wef 1 jan 2014
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congrats for the transfer rclxms.gif

So ASNB have locked few million for the scheme for Dec 2013, then next year the probability of "opening" the unsold units are high. The raised balance for EPF would have greater effect. Less people would qualified for the investment purpose.

I'm just assuming that would happen. Final Decision on PNB nod.gif (Just hope some good news for all smile.gif )

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