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vin_ann
post Nov 29 2014, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Nov 29 2014, 08:06 PM)
1. XM2 is a eco tyre already. other choices like, BS EP200, Yoko AE01
2. or you can take the Hankook Kinergy EX, the factory tyre by perodua for Axia.  i believe this is part of the component that helps Axia to achieve EEV status (besides their ULTRA high manufacture recommended tyre pressure at 37 psi for a seg A car lols).  Axia's tyre size is same as Myvi's aka 175/65R14
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how much would Hankook Kinergy EX cost per tyre?

i really need to dig back my receipt to check when i changed my michelin tyres! the service agent told me tyres have some cracks and i have no idea how to check it.

Gotta check the date of manufacturing of my tyres tomorrow.
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post Dec 1 2014, 12:10 AM

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Any recommendation for 195/65r15? Looking to change all 4 tyres. icon_question.gif

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RhythmYun
post Dec 18 2014, 11:00 PM

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Silverstone Synergy M5 vs Michelin XM2.

Anyone tht tried both of these two?
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post Jan 3 2015, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Nov 29 2014, 08:06 PM)
1. XM2 is a eco tyre already. other choices like, BS EP200, Yoko AE01
2. or you can take the Hankook Kinergy EX, the factory tyre by perodua for Axia.  i believe this is part of the component that helps Axia to achieve EEV status (besides their ULTRA high manufacture recommended tyre pressure at 37 psi for a seg A car lols).  Axia's tyre size is same as Myvi's aka 175/65R14
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Got silverstone synergy m3 when i got my axia. Rolling noise noticably loud compared to ecopia 200.
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post Jan 3 2015, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(eniltoh @ Jan 3 2015, 02:07 PM)
Got silverstone synergy m3 when i got my axia. Rolling noise noticably loud compared to ecopia 200.
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Bro, previously I used Silverstone Synergy M3, the performance is very bad with still more than 70% groove, I skid off the road many times, and 1 time even worst, I almost kill myself when taking wide corner at 50kph and apply light brake in the wet, I skid off the road and turn (left right, not up down) 270 degrees on the road side with grass fields. Luckily got no divider or wall.
When driving in straight line, I lightly touch the brake, I felt the tyres skid. No joke.
Then i asked many tyres shops also said the M3 tyres are bad in grip. I used until some minor crack in less than 3 years time. Then changed to Yoko A Drive. The wet grip is much much better than Synergy M3. At least never skid. And feel confident on wet road.
But changed to EP200 on rear tyres, so far no complaint except I found that EP200 is less contact surface on the road even same tyre dimension, which makes less grip on the dry. But wet grip is on par with A-drive, at least, on rear tyres.

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post Jan 3 2015, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(eniltoh @ Jan 3 2015, 02:07 PM)
Got silverstone synergy m3 when i got my axia. Rolling noise noticably loud compared to ecopia 200.
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WHAT??? Axia is supposed to come with Hankook Kinergy EX! did the perodua dealer keep the Kinergy EX and resell later, and give you a lousy tyre??

QUOTE(Rojak @ Jan 3 2015, 02:40 PM)
But changed to EP200 on rear tyres, so far no complaint except I found that EP200 is less contact surface on the road even same tyre dimension, which makes less grip on the dry. But wet grip is on par with A-drive, at least, on rear tyres.
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how did you know what it has less contact surface? how did you measure?
well, that actually sounds logically correct. you found it has less contact surface, meaning its rigidity (in maintaining a round shape under the car's weight) is better than yoko A-Drive, this means less Rolling Resistance, which means better FC. Which, its what an eco tyre supposed to be.
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post Jan 3 2015, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Jan 3 2015, 07:01 PM)
WHAT??? Axia is supposed to come with Hankook Kinergy EX!  did the perodua dealer keep the Kinergy EX and resell later, and give you a lousy tyre??
how did you know what it has less contact surface? how did you measure?
well, that actually sounds logically correct.  you found it has less contact surface, meaning its rigidity (in maintaining a round shape under the car's weight) is better than yoko A-Drive, this means less Rolling Resistance, which means better FC.  Which, its what an eco tyre supposed to be.
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Oh i compared the tyre marks when I drove it inside my house. My car porch is white color. blush.gif So when I drove in, there is a tyre marks. So I make a comparison based on EP200 and A-Drive. Found out that the A-Drive is wider than EP200. blink.gif
But luckily the wet grip is quite good (no hydroplanning). So still safe to use and not like Synergy M3.

You are right that EP200 is much better rolling resistance than A-Drive. I'm surprised that even with just 2 tyres of EP200, it like to roll quite further away after lift-off (remove my foot from accelerator pedal) compared previously i used 4 tyres of A-Drive. tongue.gif

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post Jan 4 2015, 12:00 AM

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I drive Vios 2005. So what's the best eco tyre for size 185/55r15? Plan to change 4 pcs.
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post Jan 4 2015, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(prescott2006 @ Jan 4 2015, 12:00 AM)
I drive Vios 2005. So what's the best eco tyre for size 185/55r15? Plan to change 4 pcs.
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yoko ae-01, mic xm2, bs EP200. already narrowed down to 3 for you.
If you ask me to choose only 1? my pick is EP200.

or maybe you can try toyo NE3, very new in malaysia market. after use, please share review here rclxms.gif tongue.gif

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post Jan 4 2015, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Jan 3 2015, 07:01 PM)
WHAT??? Axia is supposed to come with Hankook Kinergy EX!  did the perodua dealer keep the Kinergy EX and resell later, and give you a lousy tyre??
how did you know what it has less contact surface? how did you measure?
well, that actually sounds logically correct.  you found it has less contact surface, meaning its rigidity (in maintaining a round shape under the car's weight) is better than yoko A-Drive, this means less Rolling Resistance, which means better FC.  Which, its what an eco tyre supposed to be.
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Dont think they kept it lol. Prolly follow batch.
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post Jan 5 2015, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(eniltoh @ Jan 4 2015, 10:49 PM)
Dont think they kept it lol. Prolly follow batch.
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unacceptable. i mean, kinergy ex could be part of the reason it got 21km/l

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post Jan 6 2015, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(eniltoh @ Jan 3 2015, 02:07 PM)
Got silverstone synergy m3 when i got my axia. Rolling noise noticably loud compared to ecopia 200.
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Have tried pumping the ecopia 200 up to 36psi and noted that it is only slightly more quiet compared to synergy m3...next will try to lower the synergy m3 pressure to see whether there are any differences
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post Jan 8 2015, 10:52 PM

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planning upgrade currently super noisy synergy m5 to ecopia ep200 soon...
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post Jan 13 2015, 09:35 PM

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just change tire to Ecopia EP200 195/50R15 Rm145 per pcs... btw Toyo nanoenergy 3 was cheaper, same saiz RM140 only..
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post Jan 13 2015, 10:00 PM

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Just changed 4 pieces Toyo NE3 185/55R15 for RM200 each at Penang, includes alignment, balancing and nitrogen. How was the price? hmm.gif
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post Jan 16 2015, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Rojak @ Jan 3 2015, 10:05 PM)
Oh i compared the tyre marks when I drove it inside my house. My car porch is white color.  blush.gif  So when I drove in, there is a tyre marks. So I make a comparison based on EP200 and A-Drive. Found out that the A-Drive is wider than EP200.  blink.gif
But luckily the wet grip is quite good (no hydroplanning). So still safe to use and not like Synergy M3.

You are right that EP200 is much better rolling resistance than A-Drive. I'm surprised that even with just 2 tyres of EP200, it like to roll quite further away after lift-off (remove my foot from accelerator pedal) compared previously i used 4 tyres of A-Drive.  tongue.gif
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EP200. I second this. Coming to a traffic light, please change to N fast. you will see the car go faster, need to brake faster. damn. first time scared already (2 tyres at front only). but wet grip is better than my previous tyre silverstone ns500, ns500 this tyre hydroplanning very kuat one for me. exactly how much is ns500?

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matmoto5125
post Jan 19 2015, 12:34 PM

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Hankook Kinergy Ex and Yokohama BluEarth AE-01 perform rather well in wet and dry conditions. Although I noticed that Hankook one need 5,000km for the tyres to "settle in" to get thier best grip. While AE-01 performs as expected the moment I rolled off the shop. Maybe just placebo effect.

The noise, wet/dry performance is more or less the same for these two tyres, although size-to-size Hankook has lower tyre rating of "T" compared to Yoko's "H".

Both are excellent & value for money LRR tyres based on my experience. smile.gif
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post Jan 19 2015, 07:22 PM

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My review on the Yokohama Bluearth AE01 posted over here:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=72581226

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Previous review of the Yokohama C drive 2 on the same vehicle:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=48254806

My quick review of the Yokohama Bluearth AE01:
- Really comfortable tires, even more comfort/softer than the C Drive 2 despite pumping about additional 2 psi more (35front 33 rear) to further take advantage of the lower rolling resistance.

- even quieter than the c drive 2! can barely hear anything from the wheels unless road conditions are totally horrible (potholes/unpaved roads etc)
Cabin/wind noise are more apparent compared to current tire noise.

- Very low rolling resistance as per advertised: Merely putting in D is more than enough to creep through most traffic jams with any throttle input required and that alone is a guaranteed fuel save.
If you're not in a jam, this tire has no issue cruising without throttle input once you bring it up to optimal cruising speed. Say 80kph? It will maintain that speed even without any throttle input for at least 5-10 seconds or even more depending on road conditions/gradient.

- It's as if the tires are pillows and your car is riding on it.

- Very light weight tire, can be practically lifted with a finger for 195/60/15 size.
The tires are also VERY soft and if you press it you can almost deform the tire entirely sweat.gif

- What i don't like is the steering response, any steering input will have some sort of delay. Perhaps i am too spoiled with the AD08R with laser precision steering input/response and comparatively between AE01 vs AD08R, it's like an exact polar opposite.

- Tire flexing is also very apparent when you do very hard braking/cornering. Definitely have to take it easy with this tire.

- wet performance are decent, handles quite firmly over mrr2 water puddle at 100-120kph.
slightly more unnerving compared to c drive 2 despite being almost worn down, would advise caution as you wear the tire further.

*summary*
pros:
- low NVH, comfortable
- low rolling resistance
- non directional/asymmetric = ease of rotation.

cons:
- overall performance be it dry/wet
- bad steering response
- lots of tire flex
- pricing may be on the higher side compared to better performance tires, or even same LRR/eco category tires.
main competitor should be against the bridgestone ecopia ep200 and michelin XM2 as these 2 brands tend to price their products at a premium as well.

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post Jan 23 2015, 04:34 PM

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Here is my short review. I have settled with Yokohama BluEarth AE-01 and those are awesome tyres if you're looking for excellent Eco LRR tyres.

PROS:
-Quite (really!)
-Soaks up bumps very well
-No need for tires to "break-in", drove off the shop can achieve optimum performance
-Handles my favorite 80km/h slalom highway exit corner rather well (wasn't expecting this good for a LRR tires)
-No bumpy rides even though pumping 220kpa front and back
-Easily available nationwide, not like you have to hunt once in a blue moon

CONS
-Soft tires generally don't last long. But since this is Eco LRR tires, maybe it's a different case. We'll see.

Overall, really satisfied with these tires. I have another car with Hankook Kinergy Ex fitted, that one also decent though it has slower speed rating.
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post Jan 26 2015, 12:01 AM

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hello...

anyone uses their eco tyre for more than 2 years???

my XM2 now is showing rubber hardening sign as told my the tyre shop people!

anyone can help / guide me what to do next???

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