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post Sep 20 2013, 05:40 PM

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Lemme know if u guys got good deal for Z1 biggrin.gif Buying for my friend brother and my uncle as well.
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post Sep 20 2013, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Sep 20 2013, 05:39 PM)
where's your place. if got dock i buy straight away
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post Sep 20 2013, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(ValityMental @ Sep 20 2013, 05:40 PM)
Kuching , Sarawak.
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lol...damm. lucky for kuching sony fans
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post Sep 20 2013, 05:43 PM

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According to here review Sony Z1 pwned Note 3 screen.... suddenly good, suddenly bad even on view angle rclxub.gif shocking.gif unsure.gif
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post Sep 20 2013, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 20 2013, 05:38 PM)
lol no thanks... no way I will do that unless got first 100 got qX100... I will camp there  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 20 2013, 05:43 PM)
According to here review Sony Z1 pwned Note 3 screen.... suddenly good, suddenly bad even on view angle  rclxub.gif  shocking.gif  unsure.gif
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although amoled screens have better viewing angles than LCDs but they also suffer from colour shift...tends to be bluish or greenish when viewed from side
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post Sep 20 2013, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 20 2013, 05:43 PM)
According to here review Sony Z1 pwned Note 3 screen.... suddenly good, suddenly bad even on view angle  rclxub.gif  shocking.gif  unsure.gif
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You found the exact article, now I know Note 3 is much accurate in color!
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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 20 2013, 05:43 PM)
According to here review Sony Z1 pwned Note 3 screen.... suddenly good, suddenly bad even on view angle  rclxub.gif  shocking.gif  unsure.gif
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tldr summore in chinese, lazy read long chinese article

but from the pictures i can see note 3 screen seems to be better wo... colour seems more accurate compared to ori image sos. and the loud speaker test, Z1 lose hard here
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post Sep 20 2013, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Sep 20 2013, 05:55 PM)
tldr summore in chinese, lazy read long chinese article

but from the pictures i can see note 3 screen seems to be better wo... colour seems more accurate compared to ori image sos. and the loud speaker test, Z1 lose hard here
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yes, because note 3 speaker is at the back, so it has the added benefit of reverb to make it louder. anyway, the speaker is just not loud enough
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post Sep 20 2013, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 20 2013, 05:52 PM)
You found the exact article, now I know Note 3 is much accurate in color!
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Accurate? Note 3 from what I see all has hints of blue in all those picture. And the screen I'm using to view has been colour calibrated. All the photo of the girls etc, they look like smurfs..

QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 20 2013, 05:59 PM)
yes, because note 3 speaker is at the back, so it has the added benefit of reverb to make it louder. anyway, the speaker is just not loud enough
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Note 3's speaker faces the hole/grill directly, and isn't waterproof.

Z1's speaker has the hole/grill on its side, and also has an extra layer over it for waterproof. Will always be a disadvantage here.

Edit: Looking at the photos, I don't see the note 3's speaker being at the back, but instead is at the bottom as well, so you may ignore my statement.

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post Sep 20 2013, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Sep 20 2013, 06:06 PM)

Edit: Looking at the photos, I don't see the note 3's speaker being at the back, but instead is at the bottom as well, so you may ignore my statement.
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oh yeah true also...that means note 3 speaker is really loud
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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 20 2013, 06:13 PM)
oh yeah true also...that means note 3 speaker is really loud
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Still gotta remember, the Z1's speaker does have an extra layer over it.

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QUOTE(ValityMental @ Sep 20 2013, 05:34 PM)
Just called one of the local dealer at my town, 2199 for z1 biggrin.gif
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Which dealer in kuching?.... rclxms.gif
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post Sep 20 2013, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Sep 20 2013, 05:55 PM)
tldr summore in chinese, lazy read long chinese article

but from the pictures i can see note 3 screen seems to be better wo... colour seems more accurate compared to ori image sos. and the loud speaker test, Z1 lose hard here
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According to one girl name Erica Griffin (you can google her up. her reviews and explanations on details are really based on her on research and measrements and not from internet available information)

Right, according to her, AMOLED actually has more accurate colour gamut compared to IPS screen

What happened in previous Galaxy phones was that Samsung had deliberately oversaturated the colours. So when people say Galaxy S3 is oversaturated, they're right, but it's not AMOLED's fault, it's the software's fault.

But since Galaxy S4, Samsung had leave the colour meters "more natural" on the colour gamut, according to the results of the colour meter measurements done by her.

Now, on the LCD, the colour gamut is actually narrower than the colour gamut on AMOLED (the wider the colour gamut, the more accurate the colour is according to true colours that human eyes can see). If LCD on natural colour meter mode were to put side by side to AMOLED, it will look as if LCD is undersaturated.

So what most manufacturers do was, they try to emulate AMOLED screen by oversaturating the colours! This is done by deliberately adjusting the colour meters to a more saturated ones (LG G2 according to her colour meter measurements), or by deliberately adjusting the gamma output put make it more saturated (HTC One and Z Ultra). Oversaturating means no more accurate colours, because at some more you will see too dark, and some part you will see too bright compared to the original colour.

So actually what we consumers see as "Good Colour Quality" is actually over saturation of colours, except Galaxy S4 and Note 3 and perhaps newer Galaxy series. Manufacturers found out we actually like oversaturated colours. We can say we like more natural colours but the moment we like what Triluminus or HTC One display, that's actually over saturated colours.

But the downside of AMOLED is that it's not suitable for heavy users, as the screen will degrade overtime due to how the sub pixel works and it's not preventable, according to her.

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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Sep 20 2013, 06:26 PM)
But the downside of AMOLED is that it's not suitable for heavy users, as the screen will degrade overtime due to how the sub pixel works and it's not preventable, according to her.
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For everyone else:

Google Image search for "AMOLED Burn In", without the quotes.
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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Sep 20 2013, 06:26 PM)
According to one girl name Erica Griffin (you can google her up. her reviews and explanations on details are really based on her on research and measrements and not from internet available information)

Right, according to her, AMOLED actually has more accurate colour gamut compared to IPS screen

What happened in previous Galaxy phones was that Samsung had deliberately oversaturated the colours. So when people say Galaxy S3 is oversaturated, they're right, but it's not AMOLED's fault, it's the software's fault.

But since Galaxy S4, Samsung had leave the colour meters "more natural" on the colour gamut, according to the results of the colour meter measurements done by her.

Now, on the LCD, the colour gamut is actually narrower than the colour gamut on AMOLED (the wider the colour gamut, the more accurate the colour is according to true colours that human eyes can see). If LCD on natural colour meter mode were to put side by side to AMOLED, it will look as if LCD is undersaturated.

So what most manufacturers do was, they try to emulate AMOLED screen by oversaturating the colours! This is done by deliberately adjusting the colour meters to a more saturated ones (LG G2 according to her colour meter measurements), or by deliberately adjusting the gamma output put make it more saturated (HTC One and Z Ultra).

So actually what we consumers see as "Good Colour Quality" is actually over saturation of colours, except Galaxy S4 and Note 3 and perhaps newer Galaxy series.

But the downside of AMOLED is that it's not suitable for heavy users, as the screen will degrade overtime due to how the sub pixel works and it's not preventable, according to her.
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good explanation there. yeah i read before a review from displaymate.com, a website specialized in reviewing screens from any gadget, s4 have the best screen on the market currently.

but the last point, AMOLED not suitable for heavy user. its true i agree but the degrade process would take a very long time, you would already change or sold your phone before the degrade take place
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Sep 20 2013, 06:32 PM)
but the last point, AMOLED not suitable for heavy user. its true i agree but the degrade process would take a very long time, you would already change or sold your phone before the degrade take place
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My GF just bought her Note II early this year. That's just about 7-8 months. There are already signs of burn in already. I can see her wallpaper and all on her browser, and when you change to full screen view, you can see the navigation bar burnt into the screen.
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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Sep 20 2013, 06:36 PM)
My GF just bought her Note II early this year. That's just about 7-8 months. There are already signs of burn in already. I can see her wallpaper and all on her browser, and when you change to full screen view, you can see the navigation bar burnt into the screen.
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how to test ? my s3 already with me for 1 year +
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Sep 20 2013, 06:43 PM)
how to test ? my s3 already with me for 1 year +
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My honest opinion and suggestion. This is one of those where you are better off not noticing if you don't already notice it. Once you see it, it will be hard to un-see it and it will be bugging you for the rest of the life of that phone with you. LOL.

Edit: Stupid me. Just search for a dead pixel test or something. I tried this "Dead Pixel Test" by Ossibus Software and it does the same as what the image does.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...e.deadpixeltest

Set the screen brightness to MAX (disable auto brightness), and view it full screen.

The colour should be the same for the whole screen. If you notice any darker spots, that's where the degrading happens.

You're basically testing for the degrading of the individual pixels. As it is a single image of the same colour, you can tell where the degrading happens

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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Sep 20 2013, 06:26 PM)
According to one girl name Erica Griffin (you can google her up. her reviews and explanations on details are really based on her on research and measrements and not from internet available information)

Right, according to her, AMOLED actually has more accurate colour gamut compared to IPS screen

What happened in previous Galaxy phones was that Samsung had deliberately oversaturated the colours. So when people say Galaxy S3 is oversaturated, they're right, but it's not AMOLED's fault, it's the software's fault.

But since Galaxy S4, Samsung had leave the colour meters "more natural" on the colour gamut, according to the results of the colour meter measurements done by her.

Now, on the LCD, the colour gamut is actually narrower than the colour gamut on AMOLED (the wider the colour gamut, the more accurate the colour is according to true colours that human eyes can see). If LCD on natural colour meter mode were to put side by side to AMOLED, it will look as if LCD is undersaturated.

So what most manufacturers do was, they try to emulate AMOLED screen by oversaturating the colours! This is done by deliberately adjusting the colour meters to a more saturated ones (LG G2 according to her colour meter measurements), or by deliberately adjusting the gamma output put make it more saturated (HTC One and Z Ultra). Oversaturating means no more accurate colours, because at some more you will see too dark, and some part you will see too bright compared to the original colour.

So actually what we consumers see as "Good Colour Quality" is actually over saturation of colours, except Galaxy S4 and Note 3 and perhaps newer Galaxy series. Manufacturers found out we actually like oversaturated colours. We can say we like more natural colours but the moment we like what Triluminus or HTC One display, that's actually over saturated colours.

But the downside of AMOLED is that it's not suitable for heavy users, as the screen will degrade overtime due to how the sub pixel works and it's not preventable, according to her.
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awesome explain... will added on S4 thread...

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