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 Sony XPERIA™ Z1, Official Thread V1, 5"FHD, 20.7MP-GLens (lossless D. Zoom)

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post Sep 10 2013, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 10 2013, 11:33 AM)
errr... in my opinion, it may be unfair to compare these 2 pictures. both are not the same object and scene. there may be some diff in lighting condition or any other factors.

to be fair comparison, pictures are to be taken at the same object at about the same time. this way we can almost be sure and safe to assume that the surrounding condition is the same for the comparison picture.

just my 2 cents.
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post Sep 10 2013, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(vostro78 @ Sep 10 2013, 12:39 PM)
wah...u got so many top phone on hand to test ?  notworthy.gif so overall the more stable performance should b iphone 5 /s4 ?
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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 10 2013, 12:50 PM)
Andrew u got G2 already meh? i so jelly..  vmad.gif
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he is comparing based on this la http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/09/09/xperi...-s4/#more-17525
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post Sep 10 2013, 01:06 PM

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More sample photos from Z1

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/790306382...=title_0_3?news
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post Sep 10 2013, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Sep 10 2013, 01:16 PM)
Depends on the zoom level as well. On the fully wide end movement shakes are less obvious when compared to telephoto.

Technicality aside, seems like it could be the result of over aggressive noise reduction, that caused the hair to look blurry.
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yup agree. I am not zoom shooter. I am more to wide shooter laugh.gif

yes over NR, mean d image processing is over did as i mentioned :/
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post Sep 10 2013, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 10 2013, 02:25 PM)
i think your comment is quite reasonable, given  than Z1 uses bigger sensor and thus performs better in low light condition.

and surprising HTC One performs not quite up to expectation despite all the ultra pixel thingy. maybe the 4mp do have the limitation.

and for me, no need to compare to 1020 as i will not buy WP OS phone now no matter how good the camera is.  tongue.gif
compare to Note3 will be interesting
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As HTC One user, lemme clarify.
The Ultra Pixel just allowed more light to absorb. It never said will make image look better. It is 4Mp afterall, lack of pixel for details when cropped laugh.gif
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post Sep 10 2013, 05:32 PM

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Z1 Mini? brows.gif

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http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/09/10/is-th...medium=facebook
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post Sep 11 2013, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Sep 10 2013, 06:27 PM)
Actually most compact cameras do have OIS.

Most DSLR lenses with IS comes with 3 to 4 stops. 1/60 is quite comfy, with 3 stops IS, it is like shooting at 1/500
I'm surprised your Oly M4/3 has that function biggrin.gif

Like I said, most camera phones (and a lot of the conventional compact cameras) have heavy Noise Reduction applied on the JPEGs so that it is more usable in higher ISOs. But of course, what you get is blotchy details all over laugh.gif
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I remember my belated Nikon D60 also got. Don't recall much haha

Z1 processing is heavier than the HX50V since both is same spec, just 1 is phone 1 is camera. I expect it perform close enough with HX50V laugh.gif
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post Sep 11 2013, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 11 2013, 10:32 AM)
not sure about all these camera spec. but what i found is

aperture size:
IP5s - f2.2
Z1 - f2.0
so f2.2 is bigger right? what does this means actually? what the advantage of having bigger aperture?

sensor size:
Z1 - 1/2.3"
IP5s - increased by15%... so how big is it?
with bigger sensor means capturing more light???

sorry, noob in photography
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Z1 aperture bigger

Z1 sensor still bigger
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post Sep 11 2013, 11:00 AM

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Small sensor wun get bokeh unless u use Macro mode.
Sensor need at least 1/1.7 inch for barely looking bokeh
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post Sep 11 2013, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(jeff10012003 @ Sep 11 2013, 11:01 AM)
agreed. picture quality is good, phone price no good. tongue.gif
hmm.gif  hmm.gif  AA wrote the review while drunk is it?
i believe i can fly~~
oops overdreamt.
but still, the question can be, z1 vs s4 zoom?
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Personally tested with S4 zoom and dislike the jpeg quality + colors. And the aperture is slow f3.2
the only advantage over Z1 is the ability for optical zoom whistling.gif
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post Sep 11 2013, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Sep 11 2013, 11:48 AM)
looks good! Dinosaur!
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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 11 2013, 12:46 PM)
oh so z1 is still bigger... thumbup.gif

i though f2.2 iphone 5 is big because i'm comparing with the 2.3 aperture at the back of the z1 but that is the sensor lol...paiseh
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even if the f2.3 it wun make much difference from f2.2
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post Sep 12 2013, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 12 2013, 01:29 PM)
full review of XZ1, but rather brief i would say

+ point

    The most powerful mobile device I've ever tested
    Fully waterproof
    Sleek, glass and aluminium design
    Razor-sharp, bright screen

- point

    Camera doesn't particularly impress
    Disappointing battery life
    Pricey

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/so...eview-50012187/
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never trust cnet review lol
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post Sep 12 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(ate @ Sep 12 2013, 04:45 PM)
1080p 60fps? can it be tweaked if its not? then pointless getting this phone since its main features are camera, galaxy note 3 beats it handsdown.
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whut? how?
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QUOTE(ate @ Sep 12 2013, 05:04 PM)
ha? u ask me, i ask u, i want to know if its faster more powerful and has better why cant it do a 60fps on 1080p. this totally blows.
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just that u conclude note 3 camera better? okayguy
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post Sep 14 2013, 10:23 AM

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So fast Z2 rumors pop out sweat.gif
guess I made the correct decision to keep my current phone and wait for Z1 replacement but..it escalating too quickly lol
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post Sep 14 2013, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(exkaizen @ Sep 14 2013, 01:51 PM)
for me Z1 specs is enough... waiting till Z2 spec confirm... if just a bit bump + features that I rarely care such as the audio chip, 4k recording... I will get the Z1... cheaper price and hopefully with ZU panel... IGZO panel might be better but if due to this bump+a bit processor+ram bump plus other spec that I don't care much... I'll buy Z1...

If big bump:
- IGZO screen
- processor+ram
- camera photo quality nearly QX100/ Nex series
- bigger battery

than I will get Z2... biggrin.gif
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Impossible or else QX lenses and NEX series will die whistling.gif well not coming this few years. 1/1.2" or 1" sensor still more ideal

QUOTE(kaisergan @ Sep 14 2013, 03:39 PM)
im still holding these LCD panel lotteries claim, i believe they may have leftover, but from the organization point of view, those lower grade LCD can always be put in lower end phone, hence no problem depleting stocks.

Second point is, although im not 100% sure, the Tri-luminous and some enhancement over the screen should be tie to the display quality,  is not all screen can be claim Tri-luminous or what. Else Sony will facing a big liability issue by claiming their product Tri-Luminous but supplying none.

The thing is, from most of the hands on, there are variance in display quality, my suspect is Tri-luminous display panel supply hasn't stable yet, and Sony rushing to produce the phone for IFA, or any strategic timing, thus the sample phone might use the old panel. But their main point showing off for product introduction is the camera, smoothness, and the phone capability. ZU has gain Sony some good reputation in screen and introducing those Tri-luminous, x reality and opti contrast, so they focus on another agenda this time. But reviewer is always nit picking on stuff and Sony can always said those are beta product, is not final version, all preview may not held 100% product offer in market.

Lastly, Sony using multiple manufacturer for the display panel is true, no organization will focus on one supplier, that would be risky, for the quality of multiple manufacturer, im not sure on display quality. Sony is not stupid, for all the nay sayer or observer, please wait til the actual product offer in the market before comment. All preview unit might not represent the final unit.

*one more note, wondering if Malaysia has Samsung hired bashing boy like oversea, heheheheh.  brows.gif

Above claim is only from my own perspective, viewer discretion is advise. Dont attach me.
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Yes samsung do have blogger evengelist that praise their product like god in their blog whistling.gif

QUOTE(N30rang3r @ Sep 14 2013, 04:05 PM)
hrmm this just blew my mind about Z1's camera weakness doh.gif

Z1 vs Nokia 1020 camera review
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Why I am not surprise coz Z1 sensor still small compare with Lumia 1020
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post Sep 14 2013, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Sep 14 2013, 06:07 PM)
1/1.2" or 1" sensor size definitely have to sacrifice the thickness already, unless sony got some magic up their sleeves able to put in such a huge sensor in a slim profile

actually its considered impressive already they able to put in a 1/2.3" sensor into the slim body of Z1
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technology in few years..i din mean now

as u said u r impressed with slim profile with 1/2" sensor. So why not in few years later for 1"? :lol
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 17 2013, 03:03 PM)
Sony love but no skill in post processing. Lousy skill, too lousy! over noise filtering, over size reduce.

Every single photos I take using XiaoMi is around 3.5MB to 4.7MB and XiaoMi make 16:9 ratio as 10MP intead of 8MP.
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After I use the XiaoMi, I look more down on Sony! How could Sony keep repeating history!

In DSLR, Nikon use Sony sensor but output always greater than Sony itself DSLT.

Now in mobile camera, people also did much greater than Sony itself!
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The XiaoMi camera truly tempted me, Note 3 better had that quality as I am tempted want Note 3 now. tongue.gif
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1 word. BIONZ suck laugh.gif

Olympus EM1 (sensor from Sony) perform damn good and matching with Full Frame despite being four third sensor only laugh.gif
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off topic

Samsung Galaxy Note 3 with S800 proc (LTE) RM2399.

Now let's see how much Z1 can sell

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