Whether they were han or not, it is not the issue. They were the one who sold out to Manchurians which led to at least 300 -400 millions death. Far from being innocent.

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Aug 20 2013, 03:00 PM

wait till you see who is the first chinese k..is actually melei..

melei ke arah kuasa besar dunia..

True, because of action of some of them, the entire 250K to 300K people around Nanking should all die. I am sure all of them are guilty of being Han Betrayer who led to at least 400 - 500 million death!!!

400 to 500 millions death! How dare them, filthy betrayer!

According to Wikipedia, "At the founding of the Ming Dynasty in 1368, China's population was reported to be close to 60 million; toward the end of the dynasty in 1644, it may have approached 150 million." Source.

The figure of population during Qing Dynasty was estimated at:
Source

Since you attributed those death to the hand of Manchurians, the Han Betrayer, that means those Han Betrayer killed more Han Chinese that was alive at that time! Those Han Betrayer had time travel to the future and killed at least 100 to 200 millions Han Chinese to keep up the quota.

How can anyone stood silent at this Great Betrayal? Those who were killed and raped by Japanese during Nanking Massacre obviously deserved it. China should cry and kneel down to apologise to Japan today. Also, those Han Chinese should queued up to be killed and raped by Japanese to remove the taints of Han Betrayer.


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This post has been edited by Draconian Paladin: Aug 20 2013, 03:09 PM

U should know that u suggested it ^.

300-400 million are the statistics from the time of manchurian rule up to cultural revolution.

All I am saying that they were not as innocent as people have thought.

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Aug 20 2013, 03:24 PM

Well, what I am saying is I completely agree with your numbers as theory of time travel is completely plausible. Also, I completely agree with your theory that all victims of Nanking had it coming, including children and babies. And that Japanese was the good guy there.

You got it completely correct, mate.

u suggested it ^.

That is why all these while communist chinese history were the derailment of the true history.

mao zedong was responsible for million of death and he was hailed as a respected and great revolutionist .

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Aug 20 2013, 03:45 PM

Meles, Jawa, Batak, Asli..... what's the difference?

TS 1 - Hackline 1. Hackline quick counter with article on atlantis jepung keris ajaib pedang setiawan.

If you say those from taiwan, its because of Japanese influence on Taiwan during world war 2..

Sorry guys I don't have time to translate this but Chinese folks should study how Manchus have massacred 800,000 Han Chinese (mostly ruling class & aristocrats) - this explain why Han Chinese today have forgotten their true culture and history. Just after the collapse of Ming dynasty of China, Manchus was ordered to exterminate Han Chinese ruling class by their newly declared emperor. Massacre continued, the evidence is the population of Ming during end of 16th century was around 52 million after 8 years of Manchu ruling of China, the population of Qing was recorded as 10.6 million - we can see there was rapid population drop here. Then after 48 years of Manchu rules - the population of China risen to 19.4 million (approx. 37% of that original Chinese population). So what hell happened to rest of 63% of the original Chinese population? You can literally sense how millions of Chinese would have been massacred by Manchus.

http://www.koreansentry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2203

Korean sources even agreed to the numbers.

150 - 52 = 98m
52-10.6 = 41.4m

This is only one of it in 1 wave only. Through out 300- 350 years , u could imagine, how much more these kind of dealings happened. Want more ?? wana see how innocent they were

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Aug 20 2013, 04:29 PM

First of all, I never suggest anything. You keep saying that I suggest something when all I did is compare your figures with figures in Wikipedia and offer simplest explanation to the differences in numbers, which you had been unable to do.

Secondly, let's play the number game again. Look at my previous post:



I agree that there will be death during war (Oh, suprised! ) but your numbers are not quite right. If you look at the estimated population in Wikipedia, there are about 10 millions population differences in between the dynasties. Granted 10 millions is still a large number, but it is not 30 millions+ as you suggested and not that large of the percentage as you suggested (6% population loss vs your claim of 63% population death). And not all are death, as some of them might take some precaution action during war, such as you know get the hell out of there and go to other countries.

Also, if you look at the numbers again, in close to 300 years of Ming dynasty, the population grows by about 90 millions. In about 50 years of Qing rule, the population grows by about 160 millions. The key to ruling a country is not kill everyone with difference bloodline than yours, that is not good sense. How will killing people off good for you since it lower your tax revenue and increase possibility of revolution? It's better to keep population large, but ignorant and happy with your rule. Of course, in your mind, everyone who are not Japanese is just Han Betrayer, including Han themselves.

I would also like to point out that while China is large, I doubts their ruling class & aristocrats numbers in ten of millions. That's too large number for "elite class" in my opinion.

anyways , i am not interested in your nonsense. The figures are all in wikipedia too.


Dont talk innocence when u dont anything about history. Figure of population doesn't show anything.

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Aug 20 2013, 04:38 PM

Precisely, the nonsense is I am able to produce facts from simple search on Wikipedia and using simple logic.

Meanwhile, you are only able to produce numbers and dubious theory from some Korean forum which don't add up. And when you have nothing else to argue, all you can do is brush everything else that disagree with you as nonsense.

I hereby proudly tell you this,

Cool story, bro. Mind to tell it again?

seriously, can't agree with it though our chinese is not good; the word meaning from a few reputed dictionaries is not the meaning you interpret or you found this word meaning in japanese dictionary?

here is a typical findings about this word

详细解释
倭
wō
【名】
(形声。从人,委声。本义:古称日本)人种名。中国于汉、魏、晋、南北朝时称日本为倭。其后倭和与日本两名并称。如:倭傀(古代的丑女);倭奴(中国旧称日本为倭奴);倭刀(古时日本所制的佩刀,以锋利著称);倭股(日本产的缎子);倭国(中国史书中日本的古称);倭夷(日本海盗)

倭
wō
矮的,个子不高的。如:倭狐猴
短的。如:倭刀

倭寇
Wōkòu
指元末到明中叶多次在朝鲜和我国沿海抢劫骚扰的日本强盗

It could mean dwarf but it could mean submissive too meaning people who like to bow or on their knees.

More likely its a word to look down on japanese. Chinese dont bow to people anymore.

This post has been edited by tankerbell12345: Aug 20 2013, 06:19 PM

NOT code of ethics???

Boss, repair your sarcasm meter

yeah . i was at lost of words at that time.

able to repair laptop but cannot repair human mindset!

this thread drive us to reconsider seriously whether we should tell our next generation what japanese did in ww2 seriously!

now we understand why grandparents were so angry when they found japanese mask out the history and rewrote their history book.

the politicians still have the lucky mindset to mask out the truth.

keep saying different version , years after years, more and more people will start to suspect, and doubt
years and years further down, people will have new version to accept the lie.

and finally lie becomes a truth.

good betting!