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Folding Bicycles v2, Dahon, Tern, Java, Oribike, Bromptons
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kcwo
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Oct 30 2013, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Oct 30 2013, 07:54 PM) For those interested on how the rear derailleur adapter works ! The rear end of the Boardwalk. Also can be used on Dahon Dash 2013 models. Can be adapted to Tern Links but the adapter needs the quick release to hold it tight as the Tern lacks a securing bolt.  The adapter secured onto the frame via the Neos RD mounting tread and also another securing M4 allen nut (same as bottle cage nut)  The rear derailleur attached to the adapter.  The Dahon Speed on the other hand has already an RD hanger ready! Note also the Neos RD mounting tread.  Components needed for the front multiple chain rings installations. From top left-clockwise. Shifters, longer bottom bracket, the dual chainring crank or triple in some cases, the FD adapter for Dahons and Terns and those same sized seat tubes and the front derailleur. Off course the extra cable and housing.  How the contraption looks like after installing.  Hi etigge, if I want to upgrade to double chainring, can I just just change the FD, shiffer and etc as one of your photo without touching the rear side? My one is KHS F20-T. Last time when I bought this bike the guy told me can upgrade from 8 sp to 16 sp. Price around rm800++. If I do myself would it be much more cheaper? Tq.
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kcwo
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Oct 30 2013, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Oct 30 2013, 09:57 PM) Yes, you can. Because KHS don't use the short cage Neos RD. It uses the Shimano 8 speed RDs and I think the cage is long enough to accommodate the extra slack on the smaller chainring. It also uses the clamp on FD which is even cheaper as you don't need the FD adapters. I think the microshift FD for it cost about 50 to 60 bucks only in your case. The dual crank + FD + shifter is already enough in your case. The cost is about RM400, give and take another 50 bucks. Most definitely nt o RM800 as said!  Thank you very much , sifu etigge. Next time if have more budget will go for it. Now need to pick up the knowledge and digest your advice.
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kcwo
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Oct 30 2013, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(H2D @ Oct 30 2013, 10:08 PM) thing with knogg is all uses internal batt.... batt kong... how...? can tapau and the price.. $$$$ This is really true that when the internal battery gong then the cost of battery cost a bomb. The battery efficiency also keep dropping upon charge &  discharge and operating hour getting less and less. This is the factor that I consider for light selection.
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kcwo
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Nov 3 2013, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(budgee @ Nov 3 2013, 10:02 AM) but brompton is not cheap too. how much? > 7 to8 K ?? something like this may fulfill some..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/mybikeshopsg/10229633445/How much this bike? Spec is below 10kg, right?
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kcwo
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Nov 5 2013, 09:11 PM
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This morning on the way to work, saw few group of cyclist. Mtb, road and foldies riding both side of motor lane along Kesas. It seem Kesas highway motor lane become cyclist heaven other than putrajaya. One day must ride with my bike. Hopefully can tackle the steep road with 8 speed.
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kcwo
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Nov 6 2013, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(budgee @ Nov 6 2013, 10:36 PM) You are right... not easy for manufacturers to sell too even if they can come up with such a model and their decisions would normally be based on business viability, that is, make whatever that can sell at a profit. Right now, most people will go for the 20 inch bikes rather than 16 inch. The 16 inch looks just a little bit too small in comparison to average height people, while the 20 inch wheels does not look too out of place for adults to ride, instead of children. I may have something in a month's time... keep a watch out...  I am eying this Fnhon KA1618 folding bike. Spec quite impressing and quality not bad (according to on line review). Bike less than 9kg and top speed can reach 45km/h. Below is the link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=291...&type=1&theater Attached thumbnail(s)
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kcwo
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Nov 20 2013, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(dannygoh @ Nov 20 2013, 05:42 PM) it feel great on the 24" compared to 22" May I know what brand and model?
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kcwo
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Dec 25 2013, 09:41 PM
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These few days I brought my bike back to hometown, Kampar. Really enjoy riding at hometown. I also tried to follow those footstep from Kampar to Malim Nawar. The road not yet complete but really enjoy. My KHS 8 speed is good enough already for those terrain.
This post has been edited by kcwo: Dec 25 2013, 10:20 PM
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kcwo
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Jan 2 2014, 11:06 AM
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[quote=X-LaW,Jan 2 2014, 10:13 AM] really make my itch.. But,I am staying in Sri Petaling, i search Google map. If driving from my house to sekinchan fire station is 100km away.. [/quo I also stay at Sri Petaling. Normally I ride inside my condo during night time. One Saturday morning I will ride outside taman road. I am riding white KHS folding bike. Yesterday just saw an old uncle riding Tern eclipse at new market. Just park like that with normal lock. Franky speaking, I don't dare to leave my bike out of my sight if I outside. This post has been edited by kcwo: Jan 2 2014, 11:07 AM
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kcwo
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Jan 9 2014, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Jan 9 2014, 01:25 AM) I am 53 and weighs almost 100 kg. So, I guess I cannot afford to ride cheaper foldies. At least Dahons specifies that it can take 105 kg while most others dare not specify. I am also a slow rider, imagine carrying 2 bags of cement wherever you go!  Anyway, I have ridden on a lot of routes and the furthest and toughest is the Hulu Langat to Titi route, to and fro. To explain it, a foldie is actually much easier to ride than the other 2 types, namely MTB and roadie. A foldie which has smaller diameter wheels climbs easier than the bigger wheel bikes. Main disadvantage of the foldie is off course the lack of gearings which I have successfully manage to overcome by modding to 27 speed and that plus the smaller wheel is actually easier to ride albeit slower. A roadie is off course much faster because of the larger wheels and also smaller width of the tires. But it needs very strong legs to pedal. They tend to be hard to ride because most riders start with the least gears! I see 7 or 8 speed is common. So, when they start, it takes a lot of effort but they do give good training though. Eg. when I started with 7 speed Eco C7, I practically use all the gear range when riding in Putrajaya lakeside. As I ride there twice weekly, by the third week, I use only 3 gears and now after a year plus, I don't need to change gears at all. That doesn't mean I use the highest gear ( 53T in front and 11 T at the back). I only used this for downhill pedalling and on flats it's the 3rd gear. Some can pedal the highest with no problem but I am old already.  With the 3rd gear and a cadence (crank rotation per minute) of about 65 to 70, I can ride 20kmh on flats.  Bravo, sifu etigge. Really respect you for your sport spirit. I riding almost everyday inside my condo for around 1 hour. The road is rough and got few bump. My bike is vibrating a lot for running through bump and small path holes in each lap as I don't slow down. I don't know how long my KHS can last if I keep on like this. I already start riding for 4 month and so far still ok. I am thinking to get another mini velo 20" Non foldable bike. Do you have any experience on it?
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kcwo
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Jan 9 2014, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Jan 9 2014, 12:17 PM) Velo is a faster bike as it is supposed to be a mini roadie. With the right set up, it can actually catch up with roadies if you are strong enough. The only advantage of a velo in your case is probably the weight. Velo is much lighter. Don't worry about your KHS, it is strong enough to handle the few bumps. So far I see my fellow riders on KHS, none have any complaints. Thanks for the info. I am thinking to upgrade my single chainring to double crank set. My front crank is now 48t, go uphill need more effort. How about 52/38t? If after upgrade do it encounter chain drop or mechanical issue? Still thinking it. My current setting is very smooth on gear change.
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kcwo
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Jan 9 2014, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Jan 9 2014, 02:43 PM) 48T is usual for Boardwalk but usually single cranks uses 53T. The common ones are 53T/39T which is enough for me even for Fraser's Hill ride. Most definitely single chainrings are smooth shifting and expect a little chain rub when you mod to dual chain rings especially on the last extreme ratio. The front derailleur cage effectively acts like a chain limiter when installed so chain jumps are rarer. Chain drop might happen if the limiting adjust screws are not properly adjusted. (like the RD, FD also have 2 screws to limit the travel of the cage, inside and outside) 48T means your crank doesn't have the 5 screws holding the crank to the chainring (or 4 screws in the case of mountain bike crank). That means you have to buy another set. I a bit blurr  since I not familiar with bike. Just a lonely rider only. I will ask the bike shop to quote for the complete setup for the upgrade. I only afraid mechanical stuff you don't touch it is ok. After touch it then weir thing will happen  .
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kcwo
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Jan 16 2014, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(desastar @ Jan 16 2014, 11:33 AM) Hmm.... I am thinking to change to Dahon Dash P18. Road bike feel and foldable. My KHS F20-T is good but lack of gear to climb hill. Anybody has dash P18 experience?
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kcwo
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Jan 16 2014, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(H2D @ Jan 16 2014, 10:25 PM) i have a dash p18, don't expect it to have road bike feel cos it is still a small wheel... road bike wheel 700C, the handling n ride quality is different... if u r a heavyweight, mebe u will feel it is more 'solid' compared to normal folding bikes with long seat post n handle post.. folded size is big, so not for everyone....  Folded size should be ok. As long as it can be folded. But let wait first. I think more model will come in as folding bike getting popular now.
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kcwo
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Jan 20 2014, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Jan 20 2014, 01:50 PM) Many others actually. The Dahon Vybe is within reach and so is the Tern Link C7. If you are looking for better climbing ability with the same budget, maybe a Java Fit 16 speed but the wheel base is short so, the bike is fast but not stable. I don't usually recommend cheaper bikes as their frames don't last and it gets quite irritating to ride a bike that squeks and creaks. That's why frame quality is important. Component wise, you can later upgrade it. If you drive to Rodalink opposite the Aeon Jusco in Bandar Botanic, Klang, you should be able to see one that you like. Most probably see one that is over your budget, hahaha. Another good bike to buy is KHS. The range starts from 1.3K for an 8 speed but for that I rather go for the Boardwalk but who knows, you might like the design. There's another way to go though. Raleigh makes strong frames but their marketing strategy is to sell it cheap so their component is lower grade and it's only 7 speed. It's selling for RM750 but if you add in another RM600 to upgrade to 10 speed, it's enough for some hill rides. But I think you should go around and just check out the bikes first, pin point the models that you like and then ask for opinions here.  PS/ Actually there are many riders who gives up after a while and they sell their bikes after getting bored with riding. Check out the site. For this I advise to stick to Dahons, Terns and KHS. http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/KHS is good bike as I riding it almost everyday for 4 month. But 8 speed is not enough if you go uphill. You only can climb up slowly and you need strong legs for that.
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kcwo
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Jan 24 2014, 08:51 AM
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Yesterday night having a first Kesas night ride with the group. My KHS really cannot catch up with those mtb and road bike. So more birdy can overtake me easily. I already pedal like nobody. After Sunway only can overtake some normal foldies. Birdy and Ori just pedal light still faster than me. Why make such differrence??
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kcwo
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Jan 24 2014, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(zeliustitan @ Jan 24 2014, 09:40 AM) I don't think my leg very weak la. I still overtake normal foldies. But saw those tyrell and birdy can overtake me easily.
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kcwo
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Jan 24 2014, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Jan 24 2014, 10:16 AM) Are you able to pedal at the highest gearing? 53T in front and 11T at the back. If you can pedal on that ratio at 90 to 100 rpm cadence, maybe you can catch up. When you say, you pedal furiously and still cannot catch up means you are pedaling at a lower gear than they are, even the Birdys and Oris. Practice riding and increase effort as you progress. Maybe now, you are comfortable riding 53T/15T, maybe a few weeks later when you pedal effortlessly switch down to 53T/13T and then finally 53T/11T. But me an old man, I can only pedal effortlessly at 53T/14T and once I go higher, it becomes too tiring. We are tallking on flats. Also bear in mind when you want to breakaway, how long can your legs sustain more effort on the pedalling. You see others pedalling light but actually they can push or pedal harder than you are able to so they don't need higher cadence to overcome you. They just use higher gear. FYI, a difference of a single cog at the rear can actually propel another rider 99 meters faster a minute, ie they pedal at the same cadence. Here's how you calculate ; teeth in front (53) divide by teeth at the rear (11) multiply by the circumference of the wheel (406 cm for 20 inch) , this is the revolution per crank. Difference between 11T and 12T is about 0.41 turns which is 166 cm difference every turn. Multiply by 60 minutes and that's 99 meters. Shocking, isn't it?  My front one only 48t. Stock 8 speed only. During practise nearby my house I also use the 11T but cannot pedal high cadence. every 100 metre got big bump. Hmm, need to practice more. Need to train hard.
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kcwo
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Jan 24 2014, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Jan 24 2014, 10:28 AM) Sri Petaling
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kcwo
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Jan 25 2014, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Jan 24 2014, 11:15 PM) You got the right attitude and that's just like me but you don't get to join a lot of group though. I have a riding kaki, we ride every week,sometimes twice a week. Then one day, he broke his promise and was absent from a ride. He got angry when I showed my dislike by calling him Boeing and Airbus. Since then, we never ride together again and every member of the group joined him because they were fast riders! He have even bought road bikes! So, me and wife have to join another group. You can ride fast and you can ride slow, but most riders cannot tolerate slower riders unless you join the right group. Especially when you ride in Kesas which is considered a fast route, most riders want to ride fast! For slower rides, join the makan angin ride like what I do most of the time. BUT be prepared to spend the whole day.  You are right etigge. First time I join a big group and it about 78 people. My KHS 8 speed only has only moderate since my Front Chain ring is ony 48T. Half when I near LDP motorlane. Suddenly a group of fast road bike (not belong to our group) shout very very loud on us to give way. I think they are about 50km/h and some of us just get shock by this sudden unexpected loud voice from behind. I also drop to road shoulder and luckily not fall down. That time I am downhill. As now on, I will ride my own best pace and train hard. I feel my bike still can go faster if my leg is stronger. I also broke as I just replace a new phone. This post has been edited by kcwo: Jan 25 2014, 12:19 PM
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