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Hansel
post Feb 15 2016, 01:20 PM

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All the comments above on the accounting treatment is very good. These matters in fact point to Systemic Risks.

Whereupon, when we say we wished to invest in a place where the Systemic Risks are low, this is exactly the point.

We need to trust the LTH if we are to invest into it. We can't debate too much about this or that. They don't really care anyway.

So, it goes back to the saying of : don't out all your eggs into on basket, and more for LTH, don't invest all into the LTH.
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post Feb 15 2016, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(faradie @ Feb 10 2016, 10:23 PM)
In order to provide greater credibility and show to the investors and the Malaysian public that TH is sincere, the Board of TH should recommend that the auditor of the org should be from a non govt agency ie change the auditor for the next financial year.
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Not sure if this is really a feasible proposal. Once they open the flood gate the public would demand all the GLICs or even government agencies to be audited by Big 4. We can demand, but in reality, would it happen?
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post Feb 15 2016, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(faradie @ Feb 10 2016, 01:45 AM)
In Malaysia, section 365 of the CA 1965 allows dividends to be paid from current profits. Hence to ensure a high dividend payout classifying its financial investments as AFS allows for current profits to be unaffected by unrealised losses as they pass through reserves. This leads us to the possible scenario of negative reserves but high dividend payout. Hence depositors will not get paid in full theoretically if they withdraw enmasse. I see 2 weaknesses in our system here:

1. The possible loophole of reclassification of financial assets to AFS whenever there are significant unrealised losses in order to ensure depositors are happy with the bonus

2. Our CA 365 on dividends is inadequate and needs to be reviewed as IFRS developments has now created a situation where key stakeholders are not adequately protected

What do you think?
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Tabung Haji is not a company hence not bound by Companies Act. It is bound by its own Tabung Haji Act.

However, yes the amendments in CA is really long due....

For example section 365 is as below, there is no mention on current (year) profit. Profit was not defined in Companies Act as such subject to a very wide interpretations...

365. (1) No dividend shall be payable to the shareholders of any
company except out of profits or pursuant to section 60.

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post Feb 15 2016, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(vergas @ Feb 15 2016, 03:10 PM)
Tabung Haji is not a company hence not bound by Companies Act. It is bound by its own Tabung Haji Act.

However, yes the amendments in CA is really long due....

For example section 365 is as below, there is no mention on current (year) profit. Profit was not defined in Companies Act as such subject to a very wide interpretations...

365. (1) No dividend shall be payable to the shareholders of any
company except out of profits or pursuant to section 60.
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Interesting, its own Tabung Haji Act. So,... there you go,... nobody can question them,.... Like I always say : there is no due diligence that needs to be done in these orgs, DDs are a waste of time here. To invest in these orgs, we need to trust them,....

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post Feb 16 2016, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(faradie @ Feb 10 2016, 10:23 PM)
In order to provide greater credibility and show to the investors and the Malaysian public that TH is sincere, the Board of TH should recommend that the auditor of the org should be from a non govt agency ie change the auditor for the next financial year.
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don't waste the money to so called "independent auditor" because there are none independent audit firm available in the world.

ENRON was audited by the biggest independent audit firm in the world that time. And THAT shit happen.

Don't you know the rule "I pay you money, you pay me respect".

Unless you run a kacang putih company which the auditor has the power to go against you.
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post Feb 16 2016, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Yamma @ Feb 16 2016, 11:41 AM)
don't waste the money to so called "independent auditor" because there are none independent audit firm available in the world.

ENRON was audited by the biggest independent audit firm in the world that time. And THAT shit happen.

Don't you know the rule "I pay you money, you pay me respect".

Unless you run a kacang putih company which the auditor has the power to go against you.
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif yes,... was about to say this too !!!
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post Feb 17 2016, 12:06 AM

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Lembaga Tabung Haji (TH) allegedly lost RM933 million through its shares in Felda Global Venture Berhad (FGV)?
http://www.malaysiandigest.com/business/59...fgv-shares.html
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Tabung Haji lost nearly RM100 mil in Silverbird shares, says Rafizi shocking.gif
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Tabung Haji’s active buying of Silverbird Group Berhad's (now known as Hi-5 Conglomerate Berhad) shares was prevalent between September and October 2007, which saw the soaring of the bread-making company's shares from 39 sen (early Sept 2007) to RM1.08 on Oct 16, 2007.

"Tabung Haji later emerged as the largest shareholder at the end of financial year that ended October 31, 2007," he said, adding that the pilgrims’ fund invested about RM98 million for 90.483 million shares, or 28.81% in the company.

Rafizi questioned if due diligence was done, because when Tabung Haji exited the investment in 2014, the share prices had dropped to between a RM0.07 and RM0.08 per share.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/t...?type=Corporate
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Lembaga Tabung Haji (TH) will see a new Group Managing Director, starting July 1, 2016.

Johan Abdullah, the current Deputy Group Managing Director at the pilgrim’s fund, will replace the outgoing Ismee Ismail, as both the Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer (CEO).

In a statement today, TH announced Johan would take over the CEO’s role starting May 16, 2016.


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Tabung Haji said to offer US$290 mil London office for sale
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TH  plans to offer the London headquarters of law firm King & Wood Mallesons for sale, according to one of its investment managers.

Gatehouse Bank Plc, which manages some real estate investments on behalf of the Lembaga Tabung Haji, has hired broker Savills Plc to find a buyer for the office building at 10 Queen Street Place, the lender said. The building is expected to sell for about £200 million, according to two people with knowledge of the matter, asking not to be identified as the matter is private.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/t...?type=Corporate
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post May 10 2016, 04:06 PM

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Does parent-child account automatically change name to child?

As said that the parent already registered for the child Haj, but the parent lose the slip of proof.

Also, the child want to access online using https://www.e-thijari.com.my/welcome

what should the child do next?
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post Oct 18 2016, 10:03 AM

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9.5 months after financial year end finally they make a note on why is 2015 Annual Report still not out yet

The annual report for 2015 (current) cannot be viewed in public due to still awaiting presentation to Parliament.
http://www.tabunghaji.gov.my/th-annual-report

I'll continue to watch the space. Esp with the developments in TH Heavy Engineering
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post Oct 18 2016, 04:27 PM

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what TH trying to hide.

for god sake, it's already near ending of 2016, and yet 2015 report still not out doh.gif

take so long time to "smooth" the figures & financials huh devil.gif brows.gif
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post Oct 18 2016, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 18 2016, 04:27 PM)
what TH trying to hide.

for god sake, it's already near ending of 2016, and yet 2015 report still not out doh.gif

take so long time to "smooth" the figures & financials huh devil.gif brows.gif
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I don't know, I only know in that 9.5 months,

Tabung Haji has a new CEO/MD

Bank Negara has a new governor

The depositors probably forgotten about the leaked letter and waiting for the bonus for 2016

In short.... life goes on, rakyat mudah lupa
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 18 2016, 04:42 PM)
I don't know, I only know in that 9.5 months,

Tabung Haji has a new CEO/MD

Bank Negara has a new governor

The depositors probably forgotten about the leaked letter and waiting for the bonus for 2016

In short.... life goes on, rakyat mudah lupa
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and the same fellow win back & rule the country for another term even after all the scandals previously devil.gif
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post Oct 19 2016, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 18 2016, 10:03 AM)
9.5 months after financial year end finally they make a note on why is 2015 Annual Report still not out yet

The annual report for 2015 (current) cannot be viewed in public due to still awaiting presentation to Parliament.
http://www.tabunghaji.gov.my/th-annual-report

I'll continue to watch the space. Esp with the developments in TH Heavy Engineering
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Wow,...need to present to Parliament first prior to letting the public see,... This is scary, this means TH needs Parliament to approve some info for dissemination,...otherwise, can't tell the public,...
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post Oct 19 2016, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 19 2016, 05:26 PM)
Wow,...need to present to Parliament first prior to letting the public see,... This is scary, this means TH needs Parliament to approve some info for dissemination,...otherwise, can't tell the public,...
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Actually I think it's standard protocol for government agencies to go through parliament before annual report is published. Quite likely EPF went through that too. But EPF stuck to its timeline

Point is, cannot be so long la, things like this can plan ahead right?

If PLC doesn't publish their annual report on time their trading would be suspended wor.... Tabung Haji no need accountability?
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post Oct 25 2016, 10:10 PM

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A well researched piece

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/t...medium=facebook

2016 numbers seem even worse
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post Oct 25 2016, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 25 2016, 10:10 PM)
A well researched piece

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/t...medium=facebook

2016 numbers seem even worse
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That Perisai Petroleum really had nothing good for everybody,.. dragged down SG bondholders, Ezra Holdings in SG, and LUTH,... wondered how many more people/parties are going to suffer because of Perisai,....
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post Nov 1 2016, 04:13 PM

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It's finally up.

https://cms-th.s3.amazonaws.com/Lembaga+Tab...+Statements.pdf

For your reading pleasure

Anyway, for the non-accounting geeks, pay attention to
- other reserves in page 251
- Changes in fair value of securities available-for-sale on page 253 and 254

In summary, the unrealised loss widens. And the concern that BNM stated in the advisory letter continues, and in fact worsened

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