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Hansel
post Jan 26 2016, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jan 26 2016, 05:53 PM)
I really don't think that statement carries any weight at all. People will just simply brush it off.

Based on : Section 22 of the Tabung Haji Act states that it cannot announce dividends and bonuses to its contributors if its assets are worth less than its obligations. - See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...h.UfUGWHgD.dpuf

If LUTH still gives out that generous dividend again this year,...I'd be,...'normal'... no surprises, they can do anything they wanted. Just like that PNB having exceeded the exemption date from declaring the nav of the Fixed Priced funds, there is still no update on whether the date would be renewed, or extended, or what ??? And no disclosure of the nav too,.... just nothing,... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

SC does not do anything, PNB says everything is normal and just wait for the Master Prospectus,... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

So,... don't worry,.. just trust that they will take care of us,... rclxms.gif
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post Jan 27 2016, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jan 26 2016, 07:12 PM)
LUTH press statement today. There is no denial of Zeti's warning letter.

https://cms-th.s3.amazonaws.com/26012016+Pr...min+Selamat.pdf
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Now we sit back and watch how much DPU will LUTH 'release' this time,.. if any,...I don't think LUTH will totally remove the dividend payout. Ann't is in the beginning of February, 2016,...
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post Jan 28 2016, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 28 2016, 12:43 AM)
TH management  gonna take legal action on those who 'leak' the BNM letter to public!
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If this happens, then it is another clear example of non-transparency at work here,... it frightens me to invest in this environment with such high systemic risks.
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post Jan 28 2016, 12:22 PM

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Tq,.. wu ming and nexona,...time to convert more of our MYR out,... window is presenting its opportunity now,... as our top executive speaks. Need to do this before out he stops capital outflow.

Heard that China has stopped foreign companies from repatriating funds out of China.
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post Jan 28 2016, 12:24 PM

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We have to comment very carefully in this thread,...otherwise, whole forum may be pulled-down,..[cool.gif
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post Jan 28 2016, 04:43 PM

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Use a tunnelling or VPN software. It will conceal your Msian IP Address.
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post Feb 4 2016, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 4 2016, 04:05 PM)
Lembaga Tabung Haji will distribute RM3.23bil in bonuses to its depositors, according to Datuk Seri Jamil Khir Baharom.

The Minister in the Prime Minister's Department announced that the 2015 dividend rate was 5%, with a further 3% for depositors who have yet to perform the haj.

He said the combined 8% dividend would benefit 8.23 million Tabung Haji depositors who have yet to perform their pilgrimage.

In 2014, depositors received an annual dividend of 6.25% in addition to 2% for those who had not performed their haj.
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Looks like it's worth to trust the Gov't after all.
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post Feb 15 2016, 01:20 PM

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All the comments above on the accounting treatment is very good. These matters in fact point to Systemic Risks.

Whereupon, when we say we wished to invest in a place where the Systemic Risks are low, this is exactly the point.

We need to trust the LTH if we are to invest into it. We can't debate too much about this or that. They don't really care anyway.

So, it goes back to the saying of : don't out all your eggs into on basket, and more for LTH, don't invest all into the LTH.
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post Feb 15 2016, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(vergas @ Feb 15 2016, 03:10 PM)
Tabung Haji is not a company hence not bound by Companies Act. It is bound by its own Tabung Haji Act.

However, yes the amendments in CA is really long due....

For example section 365 is as below, there is no mention on current (year) profit. Profit was not defined in Companies Act as such subject to a very wide interpretations...

365. (1) No dividend shall be payable to the shareholders of any
company except out of profits or pursuant to section 60.
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Interesting, its own Tabung Haji Act. So,... there you go,... nobody can question them,.... Like I always say : there is no due diligence that needs to be done in these orgs, DDs are a waste of time here. To invest in these orgs, we need to trust them,....

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post Feb 16 2016, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Yamma @ Feb 16 2016, 11:41 AM)
don't waste the money to so called "independent auditor" because there are none independent audit firm available in the world.

ENRON was audited by the biggest independent audit firm in the world that time. And THAT shit happen.

Don't you know the rule "I pay you money, you pay me respect".

Unless you run a kacang putih company which the auditor has the power to go against you.
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif yes,... was about to say this too !!!
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post Oct 19 2016, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 18 2016, 10:03 AM)
9.5 months after financial year end finally they make a note on why is 2015 Annual Report still not out yet

The annual report for 2015 (current) cannot be viewed in public due to still awaiting presentation to Parliament.
http://www.tabunghaji.gov.my/th-annual-report

I'll continue to watch the space. Esp with the developments in TH Heavy Engineering
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Wow,...need to present to Parliament first prior to letting the public see,... This is scary, this means TH needs Parliament to approve some info for dissemination,...otherwise, can't tell the public,...
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post Oct 25 2016, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 25 2016, 10:10 PM)
A well researched piece

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/t...medium=facebook

2016 numbers seem even worse
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That Perisai Petroleum really had nothing good for everybody,.. dragged down SG bondholders, Ezra Holdings in SG, and LUTH,... wondered how many more people/parties are going to suffer because of Perisai,....
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post Nov 2 2016, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Nov 1 2016, 04:13 PM)
It's finally up.

https://cms-th.s3.amazonaws.com/Lembaga+Tab...+Statements.pdf

For your reading pleasure

Anyway, for the non-accounting geeks, pay attention to
- other reserves in page 251
- Changes in fair value of securities available-for-sale on page 253 and 254

In summary, the unrealised loss widens. And the concern that BNM stated in the advisory letter continues, and in fact worsened
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Thank you for the follow-through,... bro,... I for one sees the value in your activity here. thumbsup.gif

Added : the other reserves and the value of securities (assets) in hand have become 'more negative' since year-end 2015, meaning their investments have not been doing that great, probably contributed by Perisai too,... but I think Gov't 'will cover' these losses should the time come that TH needs to liquidate these holdings.

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post Nov 2 2016, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Nov 2 2016, 12:53 PM)
Correct, I think this year is even worse. But no one cares I guess
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 2 2016, 01:20 PM)
Rafizi urges early action on Tabung Haji’s RM3b fund deficit
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...?type=Corporate

hahaha I guess no action would be taken. "close one eye"  devil.gif
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Frankly, it's really hard to visualise how will the Gov't let TH fall,... really hard to visualise this. If home buyers are not able to get their houses because of the developer failing, this, the Gov't can let go !!!!! BUT,...........TH failing the pilgrims ????????????

The Gov't will step in, quietly,... or indirectly later on,....
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post Feb 3 2017, 08:13 AM

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TH has always been known to give the HIGHEST dividend rate in Malaysia for her investors !
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post Feb 3 2017, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Feb 3 2017, 04:53 PM)
wow announced already. quite early this year..last year announce high so need extra time to try find money..lol

but people need to understand that the dividend is 4.25% only its already deducted 2.5% for zakat purpose. so gross is actually 6.75%

i wonder people who save in ASB whether they pay zakat anot  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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How much was the dividend rate last year, with and w/o zakat contribution ?
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post Aug 29 2017, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 28 2017, 04:25 PM)
So the Tabung Haji annual report is out

I focuses more on financial statements. Numbers don't bluff (or bluff less)

https://cms-th.s3.amazonaws.com/Lembaga+Tab...l+Statement.pdf

Good news - the unrealised losses on AFS investments is less than 2015, only RM600m

Bad news - Retained earnings is negative RM700million at group, looks like it's due to negative retained earnings from the subsidiaries. The fund's retained earnings is still slightly positive at RM79million
Its associates - Pelikan and THHE both make huge losses during the year and worth much less than what the fund paid for
Investment properties recorded a RM300 million fair value loss which is 4.2% over total IP value, makes you wonder how properties can make such big loss
There's a RM300million goodwill in the group, can't really find details of which CGU this is from so can't tell if impairment may be needed.
The provision for retirement benefits of RM500million is also not funded, means no planned assets injected into the retirement plan. This is not a good idea. When they start to pay for the retirement benefits then they would scramble for cash as the fund fully paid out the earnings to the depositors. The returns to depositors would reduce in the future due to this cost as well. The provision amount might be significantly higher as the medical inflation rate used is only 4.5%-5.5%. We all know the actual medical inflation rate.
O/T: It's damn good employment benefit though, muslims should consider joining TH just for this benefit

Tabung Haji still doesn't like to impair its investments unlike EPF who would do that actively
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Tq dasecret,... thumbsup.gif
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post Aug 29 2017, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Aug 28 2017, 04:52 PM)
what I know..

not easy to join TH nowadays..

the job "quota" full.. also have some "waiting list" devil.gif
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It's been like that for a few years,.. or for many years,... haha, I remembered I asked almost ten years ago and they said no slot, and then only a Muslim or a Bumiputra or someone like that can join.

And then there are many on waitlist too,...
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post Mar 26 2019, 11:10 AM

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Hmm,... so fundamentals do come in sooner or later,... let's see the dividend ann't soon,...
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post Apr 6 2019, 11:18 AM

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Hmm,... so reality finally sinks in,... and fundamentals are the ultimate truth in investing !

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