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davidke20
post Aug 26 2013, 10:42 PM

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post Aug 28 2013, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Aug 27 2013, 09:00 PM)
Gaga sifu, kenji, david, mahihi....mau ask a bit
AFI RS cross drill or IMP cross drill? anyone have experienced using any of these 2 because I'm firing up my brake project but don't want to blinding buy stuff and end up bad...

For brake pads, I'm in between these 2 Bendix Ultimate or Rapids Stop 500C pads. Both have very good review and suitable for the occasional spirited driving and track.

For the braided hose and brake fluid, I already decided. Going for ProRs and Endless DOT4.
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I buy on THICKNESS minimal 21mm for any slotted + drilled vented disc, I don't really care how they drill it. Thickness is the key when going downhill battle.

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post Aug 28 2013, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 28 2013, 12:46 AM)
don't care how thick, if completely drilled through, prepare for cracks. at least that's what everyone's been telling me.

i also don't believe (since compared to their driving mine's gentle as hell already, honest) until i get the cracks myself  doh.gif
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I was a lab technician, work in THEN Malaysia 3rd largest steel factory in 2001 ~ 2003 as British Standard/ American Standard/ Malaysia Sirim/ Japan International Standard product certification officer. Ayam the one and only person in the lab running all the sampling and testing for all the raw materials/finish product, including 25mm steel plate that use to cut as disc brake rotor. So, you may wanna consider my eversofucking humble opinion sleep.gif Any of those so called "international" standard has a tolerance of 5%, some country(namely the 1 we're fucking familiar with) allowed tolerance up to 10%. Hence, 25mm - 10% = 22.5mm. I set myself 21mm minimal thickness consider huge tolerance, otherwise I wouldn't be able to find a replacement rotor for the rest of my life. I think GaGa stock rotor only came with 19mm.

Hairline crack happened on the drilled area got 2 facts:
1) The drilled hole pointed at the leaf between the vents. As and when the disc rotor being heated up and expanded, the leaf takes longer to contract when it start cooling down, hence the surface of drilled area will have hairline crack because the surface cool down much faster than the leaf(inner part between the rotor vent).
2) Wrong brake pad temperature will cause every single drilled hole to emit hairline crack. Simple logic, hot expand cold shrink. When you have sohai temperature pad that rated higher than the rotor, ofcourse the rotor gets heated up until fire red, as and when it contract quickly, crack is unavoidable. Try a ceramic rotor, before the disc crack, the heat generated could probably set your absorber on fire already yawn.gif In the end, it boils down to the raw material of the disc rotor.

Would like to understand more on the above highlighted from your previous statement. Which drilled rotor does not drilled through? I'd like to further understand if such technology exist. On the other hand, you can drive lika moron in your Iswaga, you will never create serious crack your disc even if you use ceramic pads. Vehicle weight is the 1 that creates more friction from the pad to the rotor. These are my eversofucking humble opinion. Over and out.

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post Aug 28 2013, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Aug 28 2013, 02:13 AM)
Those looks like cheap cross-drilled discs to me. Just look at that cross-drill design, they don't even overlap! Striping or banding will definitely occur after using it for a long period.

http://ebcbrakes.com/articles/dangerous-cr...drilled-rotors/

End of story, cross-drilled rotors are more prone to cracking than pure slotted or even stock blanks for that matter. Just google it up, people are complaining their stock standard GTR cross-drilled rotors are cracking after a hard day at the track.
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They aren't expansive, AU$300 only nod.gif And I understand metal fatigue, I know the crack is unavoidable when rapid expand/contraction happen to an overheated rotor due to wrong choice of brake pad.

Therefore, my pad is only BOSCH standard.

QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Aug 28 2013, 02:13 AM)
EBC's discs are all dimple-drilled.
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Ah.... So the drill is up to a certain thickness ON the surface without drilling through the entire layer directly to the vent. Thanks for clearing that up. But again, does it really work? I know cross drill is already a myth:

1) Basically having holes on the disc surface can simply means it looks nicer and hardcore for ricers like me, more for decoration.
2) Having cross drilled holes on vented disc to allow water/heat/asbestos channel out through the vents? Generally nowadays brake pads are asbestos free. Water can be easily vaporize as the heat start building up on the rotor itself.
3) Heat remover? According to WIKI
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A brake disc is a heat sink, but the loss of heat sink mass may be balanced by increased surface area to radiate away heat


So, how does dimple drill benefit hmm.gif

QUOTE(yscsiew @ Aug 28 2013, 02:33 AM)
nowadays where got pure copper?
70% wants me few hundred/meter 8 gauge only.
alternator XD engine noob can't figure out which is the bolt...ideal condition, ori alternator is insufficient. is not standard 60/70amps i  guess
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I tot ori ady 90amp?! blink.gif

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